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581  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much maximum BTC can be sent in a single transaction? on: May 02, 2017, 12:22:32 PM
Hello.
  I asked a question yesterday which remained in a good answer.
By the way, I would like to know exactly if it is possible to transfer about 5000 BTC or 10000 BTC in a single transaction ?

Thank you.
The answer is yes, it has been done many times.  The fee depends on the size of the transaction in bytes, not the amount of value being sent.  Therefore, if the transaction is a small number of byte (from a single address to a new single address) the transaction fee would be minimal.
582  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much maximum BTC can be sent in a single transaction? on: May 02, 2017, 12:15:53 PM
first of all is the fact that we can never mine all the 21 million coins because reward is halved so it will never actually reach zero.
Not true.

The mining reward does go to zero after is it one satoshi per block.

This will happen in about the year 2140.
583  Other / Off-topic / Re: How to use minus function in excel? on: May 02, 2017, 01:28:29 AM
I am pretty good with Excel (see here)

But I do not understand your question.  Can you be more specific about exactly what you want to do?
584  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: My PayPal for your BTC on: May 01, 2017, 09:20:09 PM
I'm a PayPal verified user since 2013.
I have $209,09 that I want to use for buying BTC.
Contact me if you are interested.
Very first post.

Wants BTC for PP.

Now that is funny.  Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.
585  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The case for moving from a 160 bit to a 256 bit Bitcoin address on: May 01, 2017, 04:51:47 PM
Historically wasn't the original design to send to the public key as the destination - there was no hash in the original design?

Then, in order to save space, the whole hashing to a public address was added on top?

That was my understanding - which is often flawed when it comes to esoteric history.
586  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The case for moving from a 160 bit to a 256 bit Bitcoin address on: May 01, 2017, 03:55:28 PM
That's a smart point ! If we can count on the fact that there will never be a hard fork changing this total, of course.

Assuming we stick to the 64 bit size for a value, keep the 21 million Bitcoin cap, and we expand to the maximum number of decimal points offered by a 64 bit number we could comfortably expand the resolution to

264 = 18,446,744,073,709,551,616
      =   2,100,000,000,000,000,000 "millisatoshis"

So a factor of 1000 or about 210

So that would lead to about 261 addresses containing a millisatoshi each.
587  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The case for moving from a 160 bit to a 256 bit Bitcoin address on: May 01, 2017, 03:40:28 PM
Unless it is directly related to the subject of this thread, for example the fact there can currently be only 3 transactions per second so how long would it take to burn through 255 addresses at only 3 TPS, any posts that stray into "block size debate" territory will be immediately deleted.  There are enough threads about that subject already.
588  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin address - are there enough for us all? on: May 01, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
But they take time and energy.

Claims require time and energy?

Yes, your meaningless claim took time and energy.

Counting also takes time and energy.

Prove me wrong.

Proving me wrong will also take time and energy.
589  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Paying TAX on: May 01, 2017, 12:43:30 PM
In the US:

Mining income is taxed as ordinary income at the price on the day and at the time you mine the coins.

Profit/Loss while trading is taxed as a capital gain or loss.
Ok, let's say I mine 3 blocks each worth the standard subsidy plus the income in fees of let's say 1BTC per block. It means 13.5BTC of income per block and thus 40.5BTC in total.

I understand that officially you pay tax over the value at the moment you mined the coins, but does selling them at higher value at some later point require you to once again pay tax?

It could more or less fit in the category of trading/capital gains.

Correct.

First you would pay the tax on your income/profit during mining.  In your example you would pay tax on:

  [(40.5 BTC) x (the price at the time mined)] - (all expenses of mining including equipment depreciation)

Then when you sold them at a higher price you would need to pay taxes on the capital gains:

  (40.5 BTC) x [(price at the time of sale) - (the price at the time you mined them)]
590  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The case for moving from a 160 bit to a 256 bit Bitcoin address on: May 01, 2017, 12:15:20 PM
There are only 2,100,000,000,000,000 satoshis.

Therefore the maximum number of Bitcoins addresses that can contain value at any one time is only about 251 and that assumes only one satoshi per address.

At the time the block chain contains 255 transactions it would be somewhere between a petabyte and an exabyte in size.  So a full node would need a multi petabyte drive to store the entire block chain.
591  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin address - are there enough for us all? on: May 01, 2017, 12:00:52 PM
This thread has been totally trashed by signature spammers.

I have started a thread for serious discussion about the application of the birthday problem to the 160 bit hash space of Bitcoin.

Please join the signature spam free discussion here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1895455.0

I may copy a few of the interesting posts from this thread over there.
592  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The case for moving from a 160 bit to a 256 bit Bitcoin address on: May 01, 2017, 11:21:54 AM
this thread has a lot of hot air,  segwit p2wsh uses 256-bit hashes, and there is a 256bit address format proposed.

Is the thread over now?
gmaxwell:  Thanks Greg for your answer.  Sorry I accidentally deleted your post in my LBC delete fest.

LBC:  This thread was never intended to be about LBC.  I wish I had never mentioned it at all.  I have gone back and deleted the posts specifically about the merits/failings of LBC.

The thread is over unless anyone has comments about the application of the birthday problem to the hash space of Bitcoin.

Specifically, is the math presented in the OP correct?  Is this a real concern?
593  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin address - are there enough for us all? on: May 01, 2017, 05:05:51 AM
So I'm curious, what is the definition of the birthday problem effect in this context? I assume that's the sort of weird mathematical issue where a room of 23 people has something close to a 50% chance of having two people who have the same birthday, so how does it have an impact on the amount of addresses that can be used before there is some kind of overlap? Is it the same thing where approximately only 1 in every 16 usable addresses are actually "useful" since you approach (and pass) a 50% chance of there being a copy of a public key somewhere?
I'm looking at the wikipedia page and the math they use, so is the equation for the pub addresses the same calculation, just modified to p(n)=1*(1-(n-1/2160))?
I rarely do this kind of math so I'm curious. I wish I got to learn more about it but I only ever do very supplementary math or just read/watch stuff online. Either way it still surprises me that the probability curve moves in the way it does.
I apologize if this is something that I should be going and learning somewhere else.

Please see my related thread here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1895455.0

(no asshole signature spammers in my thread!)
594  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Large Bitcoin Collider (Collision Finders Pool) on: May 01, 2017, 05:03:16 AM
Please see my related thread here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1895455.0
595  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it on: May 01, 2017, 05:02:14 AM
Please see my related thread here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1895455.0
596  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / The case for moving from a 160 bit to a 256 bit Bitcoin address on: May 01, 2017, 04:53:00 AM
The birthday problem can be applied to estimate the probability of a collision given the size of a hash function.

The Taylor series expansion of the exponential function can be used to estimate the probability of a collision as follows:

    p(n, d) = 1 - e-n(n - 1)/(2d)

where n is the number of hashes and d is the total number of possible hashes.

Given a hash function size of h in bits and a number of Bitcoin addresses generated 2x this can be simplified as follows:

    p(n, d) = 1 - e-2x(2x - 1)/(2(2h))

               = 1 - e-(22x - 2x)/(2h + 1)

               = 1 - e-[22x/(2h + 1) - 2x/(2h + 1)]

               = 1 - e-(22x - h - 1 - 2x - h - 1)

Within the limits of my Excel spreadsheet for h = 160 the probability of a collision for various values of x is:

Quote
 x   p(2x, 2160)
83   1
82   0.999664537
81   0.864664717
80   0.39346934
79   0.117503097
78   0.030766766
77   0.007782062
76   0.001951219
75   0.000488162
74   0.000122063
73   3.05171E-05
72   7.62937E-06
71   1.90735E-06
70   4.76837E-07
69   1.19209E-07
68   2.98023E-08
67   7.45058E-09
66   1.86265E-09
65   4.65661E-10
64   1.16415E-10
63   2.91038E-11
62   7.27596E-12
61   1.81899E-12
60   4.54747E-13
59   1.13687E-13
58   2.84217E-14
57   7.10543E-15
56   1.77636E-15
55   0
This yields the interesting result that after "using up" only 283 out of our 2160 Bitcoins addresses we will almost certainly have one or more address collisions.  In fact we really only want to "use up" about 255 Bitcoin addresses in order to keep the probability of a collision very near to zero (within the limits of the estimation function, my simplification, and the resolution abilities of the Excel spreadsheet).

How fast can we use up or generate 255 addresses?  

Well as of this posting the large bitcoin collider project has already sequentially searched the first 252.19 Bitcoin addresses and is on track to search the first 254.46 addresses within a year.  Given some serious resources to attack the problem, orders of magnitude more addresses could be generated and checked per year.

This thread is not about the merits or failing of the LBC so posts related to the LBC will be deleted.  I only use the maximum key generation rate of the LBC as an example of how fast keys can be created.

So far the LBC has had a peak key generation rate of about 2.5 x 109 key pairs per second.  That is about

   (3.154 x 107)(2.5 x 109) = 7.885 x 1016

   or approximately 256 key pairs per year.

If we were to move from the current 160 bit Bitcoin address to a new system that would fully utilize all 256 bit available for Bitcoin addresses the situation is much better:

Quote
   x   p(2x, 2256)
131   1
130   0.999664537
129   0.864664717
128   0.39346934
127   0.117503097
126   0.030766766
125   0.007782062
124   0.001951219
123   0.000488162
122   0.000122063
121   3.05171E-05
120   7.62937E-06
119   1.90735E-06
118   4.76837E-07
117   1.19209E-07
116   2.98023E-08
115   7.45058E-09
114   1.86265E-09
113   4.65661E-10
112   1.16415E-10
111   2.91038E-11
110   7.27596E-12
109   1.81899E-12
108   4.54747E-13
107   1.13687E-13
106   2.84217E-14
105   7.10543E-15
104   1.77636E-15
103   0
In this case we should be able to safely use up to 2103 Bitcoin addresses before collisions would be a problem.

I think we should discuss phasing out the old 160 bit Bitcoin address version and replacing it with a new 256 bit address version.
597  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Large Bitcoin Collider Thread 2.0 on: May 01, 2017, 03:01:55 AM
I am currently writing a thread related to the the Bitcoin address space and need to know something about your project:

What is the maximum key generation rate you have every recorded, even for a short period of time?

Thanks!

Please see my related thread here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1895455.0
598  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Paying TAX on: April 30, 2017, 08:34:17 PM
In the US:

Mining income is taxed as ordinary income at the price on the day and at the time you mine the coins.

Profit/Loss while trading is taxed as a capital gain or loss.

I have paid the income tax on all the coins I have mined and the capital gains tax on all of my trading.
599  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin address - are there enough for us all? on: April 30, 2017, 08:26:04 PM
^^ POS sig spammer reported
600  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin address - are there enough for us all? on: April 30, 2017, 03:38:08 PM
So much letter and number in the bitcoin address i guess it almost impossible to hack and with that combination i think that's enough for us but as many bitcoin user's creating wallet even one bitcoin user's almost have a 5-10 wallets.
Go to hell sig spammer.  Reported.

In fact I am going to go back and report every one of you assholes in this thread.  I hope you all get perm bans.
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