However this common ground is not very extensive. For instance, what about livelihood in general? Suppose I am hungry and you have bread in your control. When I attempt to access -- NB I am supposing without his consent and forcefully -- that resource, you deny me access to it. Now who is coercing whom?
If coercion is the use of threats or force to modify behavior, then the both of you are engaged in coercion. If coercion is the initiation of threats or force to modify behavior, then only you. He's only responding with force to your forceful and initiatory attempt to get his stuff (thus modifying his behavior). Doesn't matter what you call the thing, though -- under Hoppean rules of property, what you are doing is wrong. |
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Same thing happened in Venezuela and Ecuador with rice and other grains. Once again, of course, governments were to blame.
I can only imagine that there was also the concomitant demonizing of small businesses and job creators as well, in the midst of so-called "socialist" government-imposed scarcity. But of course. It's always the "fault" of the "greedy empresario", by which I mean the cocksucking politicians that caused these disasters and waste, always pin their failure on the people they were trying to fuck with. Business as usual. This is why nobody wants to invest in Shit America. |
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The state could try to convience you to give out an "official" bitcoin adress
By "convince" you mean threaten with punishment (caging, ruin, death), right? No, I mean really convice. No, I really don't think you mean "convince". You're talking about governments. Governments don't "convince". They threaten with punishment. Here is an illustrated difference between convincing and what governments do: - Convincing: Hey mate, can I have your Bitcoin address? No? Well, here's an argument. Still no? OK. No problem, carry on. - What governments do: Hey mate, can I have your Bitcoin address? No? Well, here's some papers with orders. Still no? OK. Five years in a cage for resisting the orders in the papers. Do you see what I mean now? |
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So can the established case law, BTW.
Let's not bring established case law into this, when established case law shows justices bending over backward to support the violation of the widest spectrum of enumerated constitutional/civil/human rights. Correct. According to established "case law" (opinions and orders written in magical papers), six million Jews committed suicide. |
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I think SudoGhost makes a good and valid point, which is that some *have* criticized Bitcoin of being a ponzi. Though we as Bitcoin users may be offended by these comments, they are the publicly-stated opinions of some and must be acknowledged in this article.
I think the entire article stands as proof against such naysayers, so I would ask that everyone work together to improve the overall quality of the page, adding new info and images, updating references, and not waste your time squabbling over syntax in the Talk page. There are major sections of the article that need work, and I hope you can each look for ways to contribute in a positive and meaningful way, for the good of our publicity and image.
Cheers,
jtibble
See, that's the problem -- we can't work on improving the Wikipedia page because that cocksucker SudoGhost is cockblocking that. If the page weren't cockblocked, we wouldn't be having this conversation. |
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Once again we discover incompetent government to be the root cause of problems loudly blamed on the "free market" by nanny-statists: http://thediplomat.com/2012/11/10/rice-piles-how-thailand-lost-its-spot-as-worlds-top-rice-exporter/piles of unsold rice fill warehouses across Thailand... slowly going bad The chairman of the central bank has already criticized the scheme – so too have academics, economists and even the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the latter of whom warned of the policy’s effects on international rice prices You people would be lucky to have entrepreneurs like Goat working to fill the gap the next time a government decides to kill millions of people, intentionally or not, by manipulating food supplies. Same thing happened in Venezuela and Ecuador with rice and other grains. Once again, of course, governments were to blame. |
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No, I can imagine many things, but nothing in which punishment is the optimal way to instil a lesson - unless that lesson is to fear the parent.
...or have the victim develop a certain form of Livestockholm Syndrome where he grows up to love his abusers. |
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I suggest that advocating illegal activity has no place in this thread, nor on this forum.
Well, I'm not going to censor my own comment solely because it defies some orders written in some pieces of paper. And what I do (or stop doing) is not exactly a matter up for popular vote. So how do we resolve this difference of views? :-) |
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I have a solution to the Bitcoin and taxes thing.
1. Realize that Bitcoin makes it impossible for organized criminals to steal from you through inflation. That is, in and of itself, a great improvement over the previous situation.
2. Have a public address that will be "taxable", and do perhaps the majority of your business through there, reporting taxes from this business etcetera etcetera.
Keep a second set of books (addresses, etc, one per customer), and use them to evade taxes -- for those people with whom you have developed a trust relationship, give them a 10% or so discount on the condition that they keep their transactions with you on the DL and go through a mixer. If one of them sells you or rats you out, well, (a) he'd be incriminating himself, (b) you will know beyond a doubt because of evidentiary discovery, and then you can use this information to rightfully defame this rat.
Result: You make extra money, they make extra money, and the organized criminals can get fucked. Everyone who is good wins. If you do this right, you and your customers manage to cooperate to defund the organized criminals, and everyone benefits. If enough people do this, the halving (or more) of the loot that the organized criminals get to steal every year will seriously impact their ability to continue controlling everyone, if not just flat out bring them down.
Save this extra money, because you'll get to spend it or gift it, the very day that the influence of the organized criminals ends.
TADAAA! Problem solved. This is a time-tested strategy -- we do this shit in the Third World all the time.
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Rome will fall.
I seriously hope they manage this, I need to double check things but I'm pretty sure it's entirely within the power of states to do this.
In name only. Last time they tried this, a clusterfuck of mass rape and murder ensued. |
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What about when people chose to stop using money? Must we always run to mom and dad, or is it possible we can resolve situations ourselves?
The mom and dad thing is quite interesting, because that's exactly what people do today: they run to Mom or Dad Government and grovel to them to solve their problems. As anyone who has voted or has sued someone knows, this Mom/Dad don't really give two shits about the people who believe themselves to be their children (mentally, spiritually and physically so). |
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1) Whether coercion is right or wrong depends on the circumstances.
Well, I guess we're done here, then. If you can't even agree that "Do what I say or I'll beat/kill/cage you." is wrong, no matter what the circumstances, then there's no point in having any further discourse. Well said. For the record, I can't read what user blahblahblah has to say, because earlier today he responded to a question / argument by exploding "SHUT THE FUCK UUUUUP!". Classic statist exabrupt which unceremoniously landed him on my ignore list. Shitty people who can't tell their foot from rape aren't worth anyone's while. |
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The state could try to convience you to give out an "official" bitcoin adress
By "convince" you mean threaten with punishment (caging, ruin, death), right? |
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but that would not in any fashion excuse a rape.
I'm sorry, but I thought you recognized these children as your property. How is it different from 'raping a fleshlight'? Do I sense statist backsliding? I also find it really ironic that this religious wacko is a libertarian. Accept some personal responsibility like god wants you to, LOL. Well said. Five kids. FIVE kids. He wants to beat children, he thinks children are chattel, and he has five kids. Totally what a religious wacko would do. How did I miss the religious (translation: child abuse) connection, I have no idea. But Abraham would be proud of his follower here. |
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To my mind, it has been resolved,
Not an argument, Myrkul. For the record, Myrkul did provide a valid argument, unlike Mr. "Children are Chattel" MoonShadow claims. Srsly, after all the horrible things he has said, this feller still has the gall to say that "adults have joined the conversation" as a demeaning jab to those of us who have participated in the conversation with some semblance of sense and empathy. I would be angry if it wasn't so ironically funny. You beat your children up, dude, and you have five kids. That's five kids you have abused. Jizzing five times inside a vagina does not make you an adult -- treating other human beings, including your children, like human beings, qualifies you as an adult. You are the very last person in this forum qualified to tell anyone what adulthood is about. |
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no i'm not selling. it will continue to rise throughout the week.
I thought it was going to be panic rise Monday? Monday has now become throughout the week and if it declines throughout the week becomes throughout the month, which yields to Bitcoins will eventually go up? As I said, bullshit. ;-) |
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It could be the start of a very interesting revolution and redistribution of asset-held wealth across the country.
Your idea of interesting and my idea of interesting must be two different things. The redistribution confiscation of assets is theft. Putting it under the guise of a revolution doesn't white wash it of the immorality that boils down to taking things that don't belong to you. Well said. |
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The powers that be will be angry with Bitcoiners either way because it's going to remove the ability they have to underhandedly tax you through inflation |
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Having seen people being destroyed by child abuse, I am positive that people are good by default and they only get dedtroysd by abuse so I agree with that.
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In Brazil, the salary does not follow the real(and $Real) inflation in the past 20 years. So you need to work more and more (overtime) to buy the same things .
You acquisition power is going to the hole.
The country is growing up only by the credit and debit.
To buy a car/house/motorcycle/mountain bike/blender/steamer/pan you need credit card to parcel.
The house prices soared, something like 300%+ due to gov credit in 4 years.
Everyone is smiling.
But inflation/taxes is eating us alive and no one is seeing.
This makes me sad to see that even with such high inflation, people do not wake up. Shouldn't south-american people at some point figure it out? South American people are extremely suspicious of their governments. They know that every politician is in on it to steal by default. But the idea of government? It's as South American as apple pieexecutions and kidnapping. Source: where do you think I'm from? :-) |
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