it all depends how the virus will go on in the future, if we take China for example, three months should be enough for the situation in Europe to normalize, but that does not means that all will be back to normal after one day, and all will follow numbers and update their decisions accordingly, i presume that June, 27 is too soon to be achievable, because that is four weeks delay, and suspension seems to be at least to May, 1 for the QF, they will probably join rounds in one week, instead this format with two weeks for one match round
But even the epidemics in Europe will be contained next 3 months, it is too soon to say the Euro 2020 will be run this summer. Because there are leagues in the Europe need to be done too (national leagues and Champions League, Europa League). 3 months from now means June, and it will take at least next three months for leagues and a short break for footballers before the Europe can be taken place. So we might have the Europe in very late of this year, it is unrealistic. Heard news that China has found a vaccine to cure Covid-19 and now will try to some people if the vaccine is successful then China will be mass-produced the vaccine. Now if China has found a vaccine, it won't be long before European football will start, I know that Keputusa is indeed bitter, but for safety's sake, the boal soccer leaders to stop it, I think early April or May European football will return to play. we'll see in the future. Don't believe everything you hear. I heard few times that some company is on the verge of finding a vaccine. The problem is that finding a vaccine for a disease takes tremendous amount of time because everything has to be tested over and over again. You can't give vaccine to few people and think that everything is OK if they are cured. I think we will be lucky if the vaccine is found before the end of this year. The biggest hope for the EUFA CL is that they (UEFA) postponed the EURO2020 so there is still plenty of time to finish the CL in the summer. But even bigger issue is in what shape the players will be? I think they can't even train while the quarantine is in effect. |
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But, as I remember, I heard on the news last week that Olympics will be held or canceled. They won't postpone it.
Where did you hear this? They happen every 4 years and are a pinnacle in the career of most athletes around the world. I seriously doubt they would cancel them completely, it's just too much negatives if they go that way. Maybe having them the same year as the Winter ones would be a possible solution - but then again, that is a whole 2-year delay. Some tough choices are going to have to be made, postponing the EURO is a far simpler decision to make. I really can't remember where did I hear that. I think it was on the radio. The radio host was talking about an online article which stated that Olympics definitely won't be postponed and that it can be either held like it's scheduled or canceled. I know what Olympic games mean to every athlete in the World. It's by far the most significant competition and I'm sure every athlete would rather cancel all other competitions than Olympics. That's why I hope they will find some kind of a solution. After all, they are Japanese. If they can't find a solution, no one can  The decision on the Olympic games, whether or not to be held, will be decided by the International Olympic Committee, not by the Japanese. The situation with the virus in the world is such that it seems almost impossible for the Olympics to be held in the summer, perhaps at the end of the year. It's not just about what the virus situation is going to be like in Japan, but whether all athletes will be healthy and ready to perform at the games. True, but I'm sure the International Olympic Committee will talk to the Japanese as the country responsible for the organisation. I'm not sure that summer Olympics can be held at the end of the year. Japan is in the northern hemisphere where it's winter at the end of the year. Some summer sports simply can't be held in winter. I don't know exactly what temperatures are in Japan in the end of the year, but I think it would be too cold. |
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Sori, nastavljam na OT - malo je tema u kojima pišemo pa nekako radije biram nastaviti dobar razgovor nego ga prekinuti jer je kriva tema.
Ma nemam ja ništa protiv OT-a, samo ne bi htio da zamre rasprava o Ethereumu i altovima. A zašto smatrate da bi Bitcoin trebao imati istu vrijednost kao zlato? Pa ima i drugih plemenitih metala koji mogu poslužiti kao store of value, a market cap im nije kao zlato. Ne vidim razlog zašto bi Bitcoinu market cap trebao biti...
Svi plemeniti metali imaju iste hendikepe u odnosu na BTC. Probaj hoardati nešto od toga doma pa probaj prodati osminu dijamanta ili trećinu zlatne poluge kad ti treba. BTC ima jedinstvene store of value prednosti bez prevelikih mana i vjerujem da će tijekom naših života postati 'the' store of value. Mislim da si me krivo shvatio. Zanima me zašto smatraš/smatrate da bi BTC trebao imati market cap sličan kao zlato? Zašto ne veći ili manji? Pogotovo što ima prednosti pred zlatom koje si naveo. Po meni bi market cap trebao biti veći ako ima prednosti u odnosu na zlato, zar ne? |
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@slackovic
Jesi na kraju donio odluku? Kolektivno smo ti pruzili sve akupa jedno 10 opcija.
Javi kojom stramputicom ces krenuti
Mislim da ću sad malo pričekati da vidim što će biti s cijenama zlata, kripta i ostalih volatilnih asseta. Jer s ovim padom svega mi se otvorilo puno više opcija. U svakom slučaju neću sve staviti u jednu stvar nego ću raspodijeliti. Nekako mi se najviše sviđa opcija s obvezničkim fondom, odnosno veći dio (50%) u obveznički fond, a ostatak ću raspodijeliti na zlato i kripto. Dionice ću ipak preskočiti. |
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Nešto postane store of value kad svijet to prihvati kao store of value. Znam da glupo zvuči ali jednostavno je tako.
Zašto je BTC pao 50%? Jer je još uvijek percipiran kao risky asset a ne kao store of value.
Po mom mišljenju ima sve predispozicije da bude vrhunski store of value financijski instrument a cijena bi mu kao takvom trebala biti blizu 100k$ da se market capom približi zlatu.
Ne, naravno da se ne mora dogoditi. Samo kažem da meni BTC jedino kao store of value ima vrijednost a u tom dijelu ima daleko najviše prednosti i daleko najmanje mana.
kako si dosao do 100k$, market cap zlata je nesto preko 7-8triliona (u zavisnosti od trenutne cene), tako da je vrednost BTC-a da bi bili uporedivi 400k$ u ovom trenutku, odnosno 350-400k$ kad bude 20 miliona BTC-a, naravno postavlja se pitanje koja ce tada biti cena zlata i da li su svetu potrebna dva store-of-value, odnosno da li treba gledati na to kao da ce Zlato i BTC podeliti trenutni market cap A zašto smatrate da bi Bitcoin trebao imati istu vrijednost kao zlato? Pa ima i drugih plemenitih metala koji mogu poslužiti kao store of value, a market cap im nije kao zlato. Ne vidim razlog zašto bi Bitcoinu market cap trebao biti... BTW, volio bi da imamo moderatora koji bi sad ovaj razgovor prebacio u neku temu o Bitcoinu jer stvarno uništavamo temu o svim altcoinima razgovorom o jedinom coinu koji tu ne spada. |
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[...] mada ovih dana je vrlo popularno i kruzi interenetom nove menjacnice sa ozbiljnim bonusom za depozit, ali posle toga nemozes nista da podignes.
Samo ovih dana? Mislim da takvi "pokloni" postoje otkad postoje burze. Tvrde da daju $50 ili neku veću svotu, a onda s njom ne možeš ništa. Slično rade i online kladionice. Ali to zapravo i ne treba čuditi jer je to zapravo dobar način reklamiranja. "Upecaš" korisnika da krene koristiti burzu, a zapravo mu moraš isplatiti jedino ono što sam zaradi. A opet, ako netko zaradi bijesnu lovu od tih $50 uvijek možeš reći da je burza hakirana. |
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But, as I remember, I heard on the news last week that Olympics will be held or canceled. They won't postpone it.
Where did you hear this? They happen every 4 years and are a pinnacle in the career of most athletes around the world. I seriously doubt they would cancel them completely, it's just too much negatives if they go that way. Maybe having them the same year as the Winter ones would be a possible solution - but then again, that is a whole 2-year delay. Some tough choices are going to have to be made, postponing the EURO is a far simpler decision to make. I really can't remember where did I hear that. I think it was on the radio. The radio host was talking about an online article which stated that Olympics definitely won't be postponed and that it can be either held like it's scheduled or canceled. I know what Olympic games mean to every athlete in the World. It's by far the most significant competition and I'm sure every athlete would rather cancel all other competitions than Olympics. That's why I hope they will find some kind of a solution. After all, they are Japanese. If they can't find a solution, no one can |
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Imam i ja osjećaj da neće dugo, nek traje 2 tjedna dok je BTC 5k$ i isplatiti će mi se toliko da komotno mogu čekati. U BitVestu sam ionako i dalje bio plaćen kao Full Member, ovo mi se čini kao dobar potez.
Ma dobar je potez. Samo što je zajeb ako kasnije potraje dok pronađeš kampanju za sebe. Ali dobro, tebi zapravo neće biti problem jer puno pišeš u Gamblingu pa ti nije problem niti sve postove ispuniti na engleskom. U svakom slučaju želim ti da Roobet potraje barem kao SmartMixer - četiri mjeseca |
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...lightning network prekompliciran za neku normalnu upotrebu.
Onome ko kaže da je lighting prekompliciran za upotrebu obično ga razvujerim tako da ga natjeram da instalira "wallet of satoshi" s play store. Nakon trivijalne i kratke instalacije (isto ko i svaki drugi app) pošaljem mu par satoshija koje on primi iste sekunde. Jednostavnije od toga stvarno ne ide. Kompliciran je ako ga hoćeš shvatiti ili upogoniti svoje kanale, ali to prosječnom korisniku ionako ne treba. Koliko ljudi razumije kako mail stigne na drugu stranu svijeta? Kliknu send i boli ih neka stvar što se odvilo u pozadini. Hm... Moram priznati da ovo ne zvuči uopće komplicirano. Svaki opis funkcioniranja lightning walleta zvuči jako komplicirano. Ali istina, u pravu si kad kažeš da Štefici na kiosku nije važno kako funkcionira sve dok ona dobije svoju lovu za novine. Ali mene stvarno zanima koji je krajnji cilj Bitcoina - biti store of value ili sredstvo plaćanja? Jer, budimo realni, ako želi biti store of value ona mu lightning network niti ne treba. |
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Unrelated to UEFA but...Man, what's with the japanese and the Olympic commitee not wanting to postpone the whole thing? We all know there's A LOT of money involved but this is embarrassing.
They are probably not as concerned. Japan has less than 1000 cases and the virus is under control, if they introduce heavy quarantine controls they might even make it. It would be better to postpone ofc, but logistically it's a nightmare. They should be concerned because there's no way they will be able to isolate all fans that are contagious. True, some say that COVID-19 will die out before summer but no one probably knows because it's not an ordinary flue. But, as I remember, I heard on the news last week that Olympics will be held or canceled. They won't postpone it. |
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Ono sto treba pazit, je da je ta nova kampanja u testnoj fazi, tipa 2-3 tjedna i mozda zavrsi.
@slackovic je upao u Bitvest. Istina malo placaju, al je trajna.
Ma ne zanimaju me više takve kampanje koje traju po nekoliko tjedana. Čak i da dobijem duplo veću lovu, stvarno mi se ne da stalno tražiti kampanje. Ovako lijepo u Bitvestu svaki tjedan kapa malo, ali barem sam siguran da će kapati. Nema šanse da itko može naštancati 60 'pametnih' postova tjedno osim da ovdje 'visi' 24/7 što nikako ne može biti isplativo. Evo, čak i ovo osobno smatram 'shitpost-om' al' barem je u lokalnoj sekciji pa nek' se broji u statistiku... Možda tako prije dobijemo moderatora. BTW, Tier C u par mjeseci mi zvuči odlično! Je li OK kontaktirati managera ako primjetim nekakvog shitpostera, burstpostera ili člana koji na neki drugi način krši pravila kampanje iznad sebe pa si na taj načn pomognem u napredovanju ili se to smatra 'kick in the nuts' potezom? Ako ćeš gledati da isključivo svaki post mora biti strogo ontopic i pridonijeti razgovoru, onda slobodno možeš prijaviti 90% postova na ovom forumu kao "shitpost". Ne znam za ostale, ali meni je forum (pogotovo ovaj naš lokalni) postao više mjesto gdje mogu pričati sve i svašta i da pritom ne moram strogo paziti jesam li ontopic i nisam. |
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Iznio sam svoje mišljenje o svemu osim o BTC-u već previše puta Jedini cilj mi je za 5 godina imati što više BTC-a, ima i on hrpetinu svojih problema ali se idejno razlikuje od ostalih coina/tokena. BTC je store of value, sve ostalo je pokušaj izrade nekog projekta. Nakon onakve kataklizme krajem prošlog tjedna apsolutno se ne slažem da je BTC store of value. Store of value je nešto što (barem koliko-toliko) drži vrijednost. Naravno da prvo na pamet pada zlato koje je isto tako palo, ali u puno manjem postotku nego BTC, dionice i slično. Nakon četvrtka definitivno smatram da je trenutno BTC nije store of value kao što to nisu niti dionice. U budućnosti možda možemo pričati o BTC-u kao store of value, ali on to sad definitivno nije. I samo još da pitam... Kako se idejno razlikuje od ostalih coina? Koja je točno ideja BTC-a? Sredstvo plaćanja ili store of value? Ako želi biti store of value, cijena mu definitivno skače prejako. Osim toga, store of valute ne mora imati brze transakcija pa onda čemu Lightning network? A ako želi biti sredstvo plaćanja, onda su mu transakcije definitivno prespore, a lightning network prekompliciran za neku normalnu upotrebu. |
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And what will happen with the matches for the World cup 2022 qualifications? Those matches were supposed to play after the EURO2020 and the whole next year, weren't they? I know this is maybe a little offtopic but I'm really curious what will happen with those matches. I'm guessing that national teams will have really tight schedule for the next year.
I think it was the best decision from UEFA judging the situations in the world now.We have to make a sacrifice,the players too and everyone else in this difficult time in order to enjoy a 2021 full of football events.I think the national teams can handle a really tight schedule and also offer a really good show to watch.We have to stay united in distance in order to pass this dark time we are facing now. I couldn't agree with you more. This really are tough times. But I remember that some players were complaining in the past about the tight schedule. I just hope they won't evade playing for the national teams because of that. That would really ruin the championship. |
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And what will happen with the matches for the World cup 2022 qualifications? Those matches were supposed to play after the EURO2020 and the whole next year, weren't they? I know this is maybe a little offtopic but I'm really curious what will happen with those matches. I'm guessing that national teams will have really tight schedule for the next year.
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I still don't think that the postponement is going to be the right decision.
We don't know if things are going to be improved in the next year or during winter 2021. Scientists claim that coronavirus is here to stay and can be transmitted from person to person even during the hot days.
What's the point of having EURO without fans? Or even worse, allow fans to come and spread disease we don't know that much about, we don't know how it will behave in the long term and possible effects it may have, and most importantly, we don't have vaccine yet. Even if EURO is not postponed, some players would boycott it, maybe even whole teams. And that would be even bigger disaster. I think that the only chance of Euro not getting postponed is if scientists find a vaccine for the virus. Yesterday I read one article saying that German company is developing a vaccine and it could be ready some time in the fall. If they don't produce a vaccine, then I don't know how any competition could be held. Not only UEFA Euro. |
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Evo da ne places slackovicu, odlicna kampanja sa super uvjetima, 15 postova tjedno a dobra lova. Payouts & Positions
8x Full Members - $35/Week.
12x Sr. Members - $45/Week.
12x Hero/Legendary Members - $60/Week.
Uvjeti su super za ljude koji ne pišu 99% u lokalnim sekcijama jer se postovi u local boards ne računaju. Ma nema veze... Prihvaćen sam u Bitvest kampanju koja stvarno traje dugo i nadam se da će potrajati i dalje. Možda bi mi bilo pametnije da nisam niti otišao iz nje (jer bi sad već bio Tier C ako ne i B), ali onaj SmartMixer je stvarno davao dobru lovu. |
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Moje je misljenje da ce Pi biti samo jos jedan “refferral” coin u nizu koji je zarazio “pola” svijeta i na kraju nece imati konkretnu ulogu
Dali je to dobro, jer kao priblizava nekakav tamo kripto u krugovima gdje ce mozda netko istraziti postojece uspjesne projekte ili to nije nikako dobro za ogledalo kripta kod noobara, to ce vrijeme pokazati
Vise airdrop coin. Nema svrhu, majnuje se ali nema potrebu za konekcijom na internet niti uzima hardwerske resurse uredjaja. Ono sto sam naucio, gde god je bilo gomila besplatnih coina/tokena to je uglavnom bilo bezvredno. Sad vidim da im dobar deo sajta ne funkcionise, neozbiljno ili napusten projekat? Na kraju ce se zavrsiti tako sto ce vlasnik prodati aplikaciju nekom, za wallet ili slicno, uz aplikaciju dolazi vec postojecih 200k ili koliko vec korisnika it to je to. projekat nema 200k već skoro 4 milijuna reganih korisnika, i nije napušten već tek sad kreće žešći development, testiranje nodova, uspostavljanje marketa itd. jos jednom, link za reg: www.minepi.com/hexomEvo, izgleda da si upućen u projekt. Vidim i da si Legendary pa valjda imaš nekog iskustva s kripto projektima. Jel mi možeš onda ti reći čemu služi Pi coin? Zašto bi netko u budućnosti htio kupiti 500 Pi? Nekako svi samo pričaju da mreža ima jako puno registriranih korisnika, ali i dalje mi nitko ne govori što mogu napraviti s tim Pi coinom, a da nije zamjena za neke iteme koje će tim ponuditi na svojoj web stranici. Jer ti itemi su obično totalna glupost koju za koju nitko ne bi dao niti $10. |
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Ma jasno. Ali kolege aludiraju na to da u slučaju uspješnog 51% napada vrijednost coina čija mreža je to omogućila pada na nulu jer tržište izgubi povjerenje u mrežu. Jer ako je moguće izvesti 51% napad, kako će netko vjerovati da netko drugi ima XY coina? A ako vrijednost coina padne na nulu, badava napadač sam sebi generira ogromnu količinu coina kad su bezvrijedni. Poanta blockchain tehnologije je trustless sustav, a u slučaju 51% napada takav sustav pada u vodu.
Doble spend se ne može otkriti prije nego se dogodi. Napadaču je svejedno ako će vrijednost pasti na 0 bitno mu je da likvidira "zamjeni" sredstva za neku drugi coin/valutu prije nego vrijednost padne. OK, istina... Samo pitanje je koliko brzo će tržište reagirati i ima li uopće taj coin dovoljnu likvidnost da uspije prodati neki značajniji iznos prije nego cijena padne na nulu. Jer nekako imam osjećaj da je za vrlo likvidne valute vrlo teško (čitaj: preskupo) napraviti 51% napad. A one manje likvidne kod kojih je to jeftinije napraviti nema dovoljno likvidnosti da napadač sredstva proda/zamijeni prije nego se otkrije 51% napad. |
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I'm confirming my participation in this campaign. Also, I'm confirming that the info in the spreadsheet is correct.
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Ja nemam niš pametno za reći. Svijet brutalno pretjeruje, na svim razinama, ja kupujem u ovom rangu. Ne postoji linija koju sad mogu povući a da mislim da ima ikakav značaj.
Sve tvoje linije su se raspale u jutro crnog četvrtka Sorry, ali morao sam Ja čak mislim da bi ovo moglo još pasti. Nekako imam osjećaj da panika nije na vrhuncu. Pa evo, čak i noćas/jutros imamo lagani dump. Ja ETH čekam na $90. Ako dočekam, super. Ako ne, neka leti gore visoko  |
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