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5861  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Care about Bitcoin? STAY AWAY from the "Bitcoin Fundation" on: September 27, 2012, 10:42:05 PM
Both of your concerns seem to relate to the possibility that the foundation will provide an advantage to some businesses and not others.

This is a vaild concern, but expressing it in the form of incoherent rants doesn't do anyone any good.

Why not try something like this in the main announcement thread:

"I'm worried that this foundation will use the Bitcoin name to provide an undue advantage to certain businesses at the expense of other businesses. As such I am not willing to support it until you can explain what steps you'll take to make sure this doesn't happen."

As a bonus, you could provide some constructive suggestions which, if adopted, would satisfy your concern.
5862  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BtcFn Project [804 BTC] on: September 27, 2012, 10:25:15 PM
Did this project die, or is it still in progress?
5863  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Care about Bitcoin? STAY AWAY from the "Bitcoin Fundation" on: September 27, 2012, 09:47:45 PM
The bitcoin foundation. They call themselves THE foundation, but they are not the founders of bitcoin. With the naming and the new public relations function they have selfassigned, they will be catching a lot of newbie attention. Now imagine they focus all the newbies in the premium companies services.
That's (finally) something specific.

Danger #1: The Bitcoin Foundation could use it's position to provide preferrential advertising for favored businesses.

What else?
5864  Other / Meta / Ignored user threads on: September 27, 2012, 09:11:10 PM
When a user is ignored threads he started show up in a smaller italic font when viewing a particular forum but this style distinction is not applied in the "unread" or "watchlist" pages.

Could this behavior be applied to those pages as well?
5865  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Care about Bitcoin? STAY AWAY from the "Bitcoin Fundation" on: September 27, 2012, 09:07:25 PM
I don't know why, but you can call me a "classic libertarian". I always complain when I see anonymity or decentralization of the bitcoin network in danger. The same way I complain when MtGox uses his monopolistic possition in the market and freezes people accounts by orders of a hidden tainted bitcoin list. The same way I complain when pools get too much mining power.
I would understand this position if someone could explain what exactly the danger is.

I understand if someone doesn't like the business practices of Mt Gox, but that's not an existential threat to Bitcoin itself. A single entity with >50% can cause harm to the rest of the network in well-documented ways so I understand that concern.

What specifically could this foundation do if it was malicious that everybody's so worried about? So far all I can see is a superstituous fear of the word "centralization".
5866  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Care about Bitcoin? STAY AWAY from the "Bitcoin Fundation" on: September 27, 2012, 08:39:52 PM
Paranoid or not, I think it's right to scrutinize (self-appointed) organizations.  Some eventually grow and amass the power to make or break other businesses and violate the very principles they once espoused.
How?

by amassing influence, power, money, relationships.  and then abusing those, like any other organization might if/when it becomes within their interest to do so.
That's not an answer, it's a barely articulated expression of anxiety.

What specifically are you worried about?
5867  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Care about Bitcoin? STAY AWAY from the "Bitcoin Fundation" on: September 27, 2012, 08:20:30 PM
Paranoid or not, I think it's right to scrutinize (self-appointed) organizations.  Some eventually grow and amass the power to make or break other businesses and violate the very principles they once espoused.
How?
5868  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: I suggest not joining or voting in the Bitcoin Foundation. on: September 27, 2012, 08:17:35 PM
How many fucking threads do we need about this?
Over 9000
5869  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin - The First Five Questions on: September 27, 2012, 08:08:37 PM
No, it doesn't simply wait a long time, it simply does not get relayed.
Isn't that's more of a current implementation detail than a fundemental limitation?

Is there anything in the protocol that would stop someone from starting a mining pool that only processed zero-fee transactions and allowed users who wished to perform them to directly connect to the pool instead of broadcasting on the network?
5870  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Care about Bitcoin? STAY AWAY from the "Bitcoin Fundation" on: September 27, 2012, 07:24:11 PM
I'm currently undecided as to the importance of this announcement but at the same time I don't understand where all the hate comes from. People who don't want to participate don't have to participate. What's the big deal? Maybe the people who are protesting the "centralization" in an apparent knee-jerk fashion don't understand how easy it is to fork a git repository.
5871  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Foundation on: September 27, 2012, 04:36:42 PM
It's good that the Foundation will be funding development and representing Bitcoin legally, but it's important that the ownership of Bitcoin-related assets doesn't become too centralized. In particular, the Foundation should not:
- Control bitcoin.org
- Control any DNS seeds, etc.
- Own copyright on the Bitcoin source code
- Own any patents
- Own the Bitcoin trademark (unless someone has to own it)
A hostile entity that gained control over those things could do some damage, but it wouldn't be irreperable.

The code is already out in the open. Someone seeking to stop distribution via copyright and patent lawsuits wouldn't have any more luck than the media industry. At worst it would just push future development into the darknet.
5872  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-09-27 Bitcoin 'Pirate' Scandal: SEC Steps In on: September 27, 2012, 04:16:31 PM
Are people really that stupid? Most of them seem to not understand the difference between a currency and a ponzi in a currency.
You can't trust anything you read on the Internet as being the genuine opinion of a real person. There are entire industries designed around the business of creating fake buzz via astroturfing various social networks.
5873  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Own a Global Criminal Enterprise? Google can help. on: September 27, 2012, 02:36:47 PM
If that is true, then surely a Libertarian government would also be evil?
True.

Using the threat of violence to coerce others is evil, regardless of how you dress it up.
5874  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Great Silk Road Crash of 20** ...? on: September 26, 2012, 09:26:08 PM
(you can't torify vmware)
Sure you can. Set your VM up for host-only networking and you can use iptables to do whatever you want to the packets.
5875  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What will the state do? on: September 26, 2012, 02:29:16 PM
Really, the BTC<->USD conduit is and always will be the weak point in the Bitcoin idea.  As long as there is a significant need to move from one to the other, shutting down the BTC economy will be as simple as shutting off a light switch
The window of opportunity to do this lasts until there are enough things available for sale for Bitcoins that converting them to USD is no longer necessary.
5876  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why do people trust Casascius so much? on: September 26, 2012, 02:16:40 PM
If you keep the requirement of coins being spendable by anyone in physical possession of them (just like cash), how can you use multi-sig to avoid having to trust the issuer?
I guess the first purchaser could avoid needing to trust Casascius but it wouldn't work if they ever want to give the coins away.
5877  Other / Off-topic / Re: Dear FBI, CIA, NSA, and SEC authorities on bitcointalk.org... on: September 26, 2012, 02:13:56 AM
This will never work. The TLA people are never going to speak up.

Instead, everybody who doesn't work for the FBI, CIA, NSA or SEC should say so.
5878  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Project will be making a major announcement in September on: September 26, 2012, 01:34:12 AM
A couple guesses:

Megaupload gives support to bitcoin financially.

Tor more integrated with bitcoin.



+1 for megaupload coming back soon but I think the target date is end of sept maybe oct.
I found a clue:

5879  Economy / Economics / Re: The Tomato Soup Index - Inflation Sucks on: September 26, 2012, 01:26:33 AM
Do you think Grinder is Bernanke, Geithner, or Krugman?
Who knows?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112881.0
5880  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why do people trust Casascius so much? on: September 25, 2012, 11:22:21 PM
There's probably a way to use multisig to completely eliminate the risk.
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