Bulls haven't had any real momentum for over a year now. I presume most of them by now are off surfing until 2021 or rocking back and forth in their cardboard boxes in subway tunnels. This stuff needs to be allowed to play out in full. Anyone trying to buck it is basically setting their money and time on fire.

If history is strikingly similar then we bottom and then sit around doing nothing forever until it slowly wakes up again. That's what BTC did after 2011 until 2013 and that's what it did for much of 2015 too. For most of the time the price doesn't do very much at all. It's only the spikes and the plunges we seem to remember.

I'll be impressed if we return to five figures any time before mid 2020.

No mention yet of the Bearwhale?

That absolutely was one person who had a serious effect on the price in 2014.

https://www.cnbc.com/2014/10/09/bitcoins-bearwhale-and-the-future-of-a-cryptocurrency.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6d2tp1/i_am_the_bearwhale_uasf_now/

No matter who you are and how big you are, you can only sell once and you can never predict the effects your actions will have on others. It's possible your smugly planned move might totally blow up in your face.

Hey, he may as well put himself on the right side of the momentum for once. That gives him some extra prediction ammo when he feels like hanging it all out in future again.

There've been so many predictions now that it's all a blur. I'm curious about whether people like this are badgered relentlessly by the press until they say something, or they badger them to get them out there.

I don't really get what's in it for anyone - reader, publisher or predictor.

I doubt that 99 per cent conviction rate in Japan is going to do him many favours. Rather like Silk Road, I think there are many more revelations to come out of Gox in the years to come. I wonder whether he's sitting on them or he doesn't know himself.

At this stage no one should be trusting anything relating to Wex. There's already been a couple of dodgy revivals. There'll be plenty more.

If it isn't an attempt to get your Wex details if there's ever something genuine, it'll be to try to use the same details on all the other crypto sites.

This is a dead interesting question but the only people who could give us an answer would be the exchanges and services like Localbitcoins. They could supply the inflows into their bank accounts. They certainly won't though.

Considering the amount of investment places like Coinbase pulls in there must be enough for its investors to feel confident interest is high.

This is an in wallet message which most would pay far more attention to than some random email which would guarantee an insta ignore. I can imagine many people would've unthinkingly followed its instructions.

It still sucks but it's more understandable that more would fall for this.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin's code. The moment they started to introduce 'consumer protection measures' into the code itself is the moment it's abandoned by the people who develop it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/a9yji3/electrum_wallet_hacked_200_btc_stolen_so_far/

It's getting on for a 250 BTC haul now.

When it comes to updates I usually wait a few weeks just to be sure. I'd never use a computer-based wallet all the same.

I would not expect a 'famous' account to be worth any more or less than any other account of a similar rank or vintage. It would also be much more prone to being snowed under with red trust if it was someone properly well known who clearly was no longer the same poster.

These days there are far fewer signature campaigns paying decent amounts of BTC and that's largely what supported their values in the past.

What is it about BTC and hubris? An awful lot of people seem to be drawn into it only to crucify themselves.

If they managed to stay modest, hungry and beneficial rather than harmful they could profit for decades rather than falling for megalomaniacal fantasies and going down with the ship. The sooner everyone acknowledges that this will forever be bigger than they are the quicker and more constructive progress will be.

The smaller the jurisdiction, the lairier I'd be about pinning my future on it. Places like Malta and Gibraltar are minnows who are going to do what they're told if pressure is put on them by larger forces.

They could become crypto havens but if it starts to encroach on bigger interests then they won't be for long.

I'm fucking bored of this hailstorm of 'predictions' from a bunch of randoms. Does it really matter any more? A definitive bottom would be nice. I don't care what the price is any more and nor should anyone else.

These dollar tokens would - be centralised, tied to the dollar, reversible, blockable, seizable, and probably require a bank to actually spend outside their services.

I can't believe anyone registered here believes projects like this are in any way comparable. Just like centralbankcoin, they'll make the case for real crypto even more compelling.

I just don't think having women here is cricket whatsoever. It simply should not be allowed.

I was hoping this thread would become fully sealed as male. Then I'd coax you all into posting photos of your toilet areas in a puerile pissing contest. Then my bear friends, the bulky hairy type rather than pessimist financialist type, would make their move and blackmail all of you into total submission.

You would spend the rest of your lives as their footstools, maids and be swapped between them as their occasional party favour.

Presumably he told that it was fake rather than them deciding? I doubt they know their arse from their elbow.

It still looks too blocky and shiny to be a convincing clone.

Would you choose to trust an exchange where Bitcoin Gold has 15x the volume of Bitcoin against KRW? I presume there's a reason or incentive for that. It still won't be a compelling one.

What makes you think any ETF will be approved this time around? I'm 99% convinced any application is toast for the foreseeable future. There's going to have to be a vast amount of change for the SEC to consider it. Nothing in essence has changed since the first Winklevoss denial and SEC staff have been getting ever louder about why they're not keen.

There'll have to be a new generation of applications a long way down the line.  

Not that I give a shit about Christmas, but if someone told me they weren't doing anything this year because of BTC as their eyes bulged with greed or desperation I'd think they were a whackjob.

$20-50 would buy plenty of presents capable of delighting others. It's about the choice, not the outlay.