Stunna, chat doesn't work for me either. Chat doesn't update, I have to refresh to see new posts. Level doesn't update, all what works is rolls.
Using latest version of Chrome.
I had the same problem. Chat would update until I tried typing in it and then it would stop. If I refreshed, I would see that my line had been posted. Using Firefox instead of Chrome fixed the problem for me. |
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how about 999D ? have u checked it?
I took a look once. I doubt it's possible to run a site that is both legit and successful with such a tiny edge. 1% edge is bad enough. |
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I've seen some discussion about DB running their own bots to artificially inflate bet numbers and get higher on the charts, so I looked at stats over the last week to see how big the average bet is: DB - average BTC per bet: 0.00048317
Sun Aug 10 09:14:48 PDT 2014 profit: -7.46499468 invested: 2,058.85087786 wagered: 2,892.4297 profit: 6.4135 bets: 3,766,398
Sun Aug 17 09:15:06 PDT 2014 profit: -9.12502638 invested: 3,563.99505210 wagered: 6,503.7910 profit: 0.1721 bets: 11,240,610
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3,611.3613 7,474,212
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PRC - average BTC per bet: 0.00044627
Sun Aug 10 09:14:35 PDT 2014 Total Bets:5,024,444 Total Wagered:13,884.30235465 Total Profit:18.35555291 Total Invested:599.19782744
Sun Aug 17 09:14:54 PDT 2014 Total Bets:5,416,633 Total Wagered:14,059.32795257 Total Profit:18.31894234 Total Invested:510.98702115
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392,189 175.02559792
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PD - average BTC per bet: 0.00011196
Sun Aug 10 11:14:31 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 408,265.0833 TOTAL BETS: 750,579,613
Sun Aug 17 09:15:35 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 413,316.4439 TOTAL BETS: 795,696,988
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5,051.3606 45,117,375
------------ ----------- Turns out DB has the highest average bet size over the last week of all three dice sites I'm tracking! |
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It is not surprised to have people exploiting the site and impersonating trusted members, but it is interesting to see a fake dooglus go straight to talk with the real one.  Not just me:  (click if the image is broken) |
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I assume you will still have a choice, same as with JD. I am with doog here, if I dont get the "invest only" setting soon I have to withdraw in order to restrain myself or probably gamble it all... Well, unless you could maybe give me your willpower +10 ring?  His point is that he doesn't want *us* to have a choice - then we'll play and lose, and he'll benefit. Get it? Also, the client-side exploits apparently also allow an attacker to impersonate other users. I just saw a 'dooglus' (all lower case) with a crown talking to me... So beware if 'manl' asks for your password in a pm... |
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what's preventing you to pull a JD and just suddenly stop operations You make it sound like JD did something bad. In other news, it appears that after I block people they can still talk, because blocking is only enforced in their own browser. They also seem to be able to appear like mods themselves, and issue arbitrary text in green, such as appears when people change usernames. All this stuff should be server-side, not client-side! Edit: a picture is worth a thousand words...  |
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<frame src="https://primedice.com/?ref=nonamewut" frameborder="0" />
Ref for that was the same as the one that spammed dicebitco chat. PrimediceOK . I'm not sure what you're saying. The old ref was something like "PrimediceOK" and the new one is "nonamewut". How are they the same? |
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Is this some sort of bug? I was doing autobetting on 10% chance with every lost bet adding 10%. When a winning bet came it conveniently went back to base bet and stopped the autobetting. https://i.imgur.com/c5z5XXe.pngYou asked for "reset on win", right? What's that, you meant *after* win? Well why didn't you say! |
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Dooglus you are a genius! How'd you figure that out if I may ask?
Also, why wouldn't this guy be allowed to do this? He's not scamming, I wonder?
Just viewing the source of the page should be enough to show you the frameset code. But it has changed again now - now it's a redirect not a frameset: $ wget -S primedice3.com
--2014-08-16 16:10:14-- http://primedice3.com/
Resolving primedice3.com (primedice3.com)... 184.168.221.15
Connecting to primedice3.com (primedice3.com)|184.168.221.15|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
Cache-Control: max-age=900
Content-Type: text/html
Location: https://primedice.com/?ref=nonamewut
Server: Microsoft-IIS/7.5
Still the same PD account name in the referral link though. |
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Also everyone please be weary of "primedice3.com" someone is attempting to phish/scam using that URL. Our game always has and always will be hosted on primedice.com
Jesus, that is a 1:1 login clone. Good phishing attempt. I hope nobody falls for this and lose a lot of money. It's not a 1:1 clone, it's simple referral fraud: <frameset rows="100%,*" border="0">
<frame src="https://primedice.com/?ref=nonamewut" frameborder="0" />
<frame frameborder="0" noresize />
</frameset>
Check the source for yourself - it just opens primedice in a frame using the scammer's referral code, "nonamewut". All you need to do is zero his referral balance - and check back tomorrow to see what referral code he's switched to.  |
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dooglus: which dice investment sites do you like the most presently if you don't mind answering? I obv won't hold you liable for anything.
I'm not currently invested in any dice sites. Most recently I invested in dicebitco.in, but they don't offer an "invest only" feature, and I found I was playing too much. At JD it was relatively easy not to play, because it could look like I was cheating (having access to the server seeds). Without that constraint I found it harder to invest without constantly doing the old "divest, gamble, reinvest" dance. If that wasn't an issue, I think dicebitco.in would be my dice site of choice. |
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Hope this doesnt mean you can withdraw winnings before the initial deposit is confirmed at least 4+ times? That could be exploitable.
It was my understanding that you can't withdraw anything until ALL your deposits have 4 confirmations. Otherwise as you say, I can withdraw my winnings, then double-spend my deposit. Is there any place where I can find how much has been wagered per day? So I can calculate how much is being wagered in average per day, to have an idea of the expected return.
I've been keeping stats on 3 sites on an ad hoc basis: http://privatepaste.com/a7b0ecf9ffYou could plot volume over time for each of the 3 sites for comparison. It seems that PD3 and DB are close in volume (each has good and bad days), with PRC being way behind. Buying "likes" for your Facebook site is quite suspicious. You have nearly 20 000 likes, but your publications have 0 likes. https://www.facebook.com/dicelitecoin I love the Just Dice idea, but I'm quite tired of scammers. That does look kind of dodgy. it may sound funny BUT we didnt buy them. Our guess is that someone from competition back then did it, in an attempt to maybe blacklist us/get us accused for spamming/make us look bad. If we were to buy 20k likes for the litecoin version, shouldnt buy also for the bitcoin one?? Not if it didn't help with litecoin traffic I guess. Maybe you bought 20k likes for the LTC site, didn't see much increase in traffic, and decided that for the BTC site you would run a forum signature campaign instead? Obviously I have no idea how those 20k likes appeared apparently without any actual interest in the posts on the page and am just pointing out that your last sentence doesn't necessarily follow. |
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Thank you! I have corrected this locally and the changes will go live along with a few more backlog entries hopefully later this week.
I edited my post around the same time you were replying to it, adding a link to the actual blockchain transaction. I don't know if you saw my edit, but guess you will now. |
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Just Dice IncidentTime: 2013-07-15 Victim: Just-Dice investors, Dooglus Suspect: Just-Dice.com user “celeste”, who claims he was hacked. Status: Bets rolled back. Amount: About 1300 BTC[62] From the Just-Dice database of debits and credits: Mon Jul 15 15:09:58 2013 {"amount":1300.155,"address":"manual debit","txid":"","eid":22234} Tue Jul 16 07:53:03 2013 {"amount":1300.155,"note":"manual credit","eid":23310} ie. I debited his account late, after he had already lost the balance (taking his balance negative, in the hope he would deposit to clear the debt), and then later re-credited it after rolling back the bets. So the amount in question is exactly 1300.155 BTC. Edit: here's the transaction where I paid him out but didn't debit the database: https://blockchain.info/tx/0aa67253b162c6ddae04bbc5b01a0283591a74288cdd1c2073a3181ec7e124da1ChELp7ynrwpktFJvRgrBECWxWWg2Mxu72 - (Spent) 1,300.1549 BTC That's 1300.155 BTC minus the standard tx fee of 0.0001 BTC. |
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if we do the importprivkey [btcprivkey] on the CLAM client, do we need to do something else
what should I expect to happen?
Depending on whether you tell it to rescan or not, it will add the private key, and either rescan (taking a few minutes) or not. If you have several to add, you should tell it not to rescan on all but the last import, to save time. Then you'll see the CLAMs in your wallet I have no way to try that script out but isnt doing a search on khashier give me the same result? btw I couldn't open khashier blockchain for some unknown reason occasionally, anyone experiencing it too? anyway, what I do was: go to http://khashier.com:2750/ and enter my btc address there on the result page I clicked on the first link with btc address on it then it brings up another page with a CLAM balance and a link to its CLAM address am I wrong assuming this CLAM address corresponding to my btc priv key?  I never tried giving khashier a BTC address, so I'm not sure what it does with them. and sorry for your recent mishap, but that would be just a minor setback
just need to split them up and wait another 8 hours to mature, right?
Yeah. I'm back in business. meaning it is the only way to claim ownership of my CLAM address and not the actual priv key of that CLAM address, right?
because if I were to dumpprivkey that CLAM addr, the priv key would be completely different from the btc priv key I entered, right?
No, your CLAM privkey is the same as your BTC privkey. The public keys are the same too. The addresses are only different because of the byte added at the start to make BTC addresses start with a '1' and CLAM addresses with an 'x'. If you dumpprivkey you'll get the same from the BTC wallet as from the CLAM one if you use addresses which correspond to each other. |
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Perhaps you should create two different dice games, and investors could choose which one (bankroll) to back? For example one dice game with a max bet of 0.5% of the bankroll, and the other 1%? Although it might defeat the purpose because the bankroll would be smaller each in both cases than just one.
The obvious answer is to allow investors to decide whether to risk 0.5% or 1%, but have a single bankroll. It's not obvious how to implement that efficiently though. If you have 100 investors, and 100 bets per second, you don't want to be adjusting 100 investor balances 100 times per second - that's 10k adjustments per second. When everyone risks the same percentage, you can just remember everyone's percentage share of the bankroll rather than their current investment profit. But when you allow different investors to risk different amounts, that's no longer the case; the guy risking 1% finds his percentage share of the bankroll goes up when players win, and down when they lose, and so you end up recalculating more. It would probably be doable to have a small list of available "risk factors", and let the investors choose between them. |
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@doglus can u please tell me how it was done in JD ?
Sure. We used crypto.randomBytes(48, function(ex, buf) {
and buf.toString('base64').replace(/[+]/g, '.').replace(/\//g, '_')
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I would say there is no such thing as "the exact moment". First one wins, decreases bankroll/max bet, other bets get cancelled or whatever it is that the site would do if someone tries to exceed max bet.
Exactly that. Bets happen one after the other. The site would make a note, after each invest/divest event, of what the bankroll needs to fall to for the next investor to get force-divested, and it would do so as soon as the bankroll hit that level. The idea that 10 bets happen "at the same time" isn't real. Sites use locking to make sure that doesn't happen. Or sites get exploited. |
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I've been watching the house profit for this site and here's my take:
I used to invest in JD, but with DiceBitco.in, as dooglus pointed out, the 1% bankroll wager is crazy and I'm not inclined to invest in this new site just for that reason alone.
Did I say that? Whenever the site owners have asked me about whether they should reduce the max profit, I've recommended they leave it at 1% for now. Plenty of investors are happy to go with full Kelly I think. In any case, reducing the bankroll wager down from its current 1% would attract more prospective investors which would actually increase the max bet far more in the long run.
... And if you could find a way to "Randomize Roll" before any turn while solving potential DDOS issues, I would definitely be a regular on your site.
I'm not sure a lower risk factor would attract more investors. I'm pretty sure the bottleneck at the moment isn't "whoa, 1%?", it's more likely to be "who are these guys? I've never heard of them!" You can randomize before your 1st roll, and then after every 3 rolls. At JD you could only randomize every 10 rolls. It doesn't matter, because you get to pick the client seed after the site picks the server seed, so all the rolls are decided by YOU, not by the site. |
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The sjess story is long gone please don't start it up again all the damn time.
He's not talking about the sjess story, which is done and dusted. He's talking about Stunna's reaction to it, given that it has recently come to light that around 35000 bets at PD may have been settled as losses when they should have been settled as wins. |
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