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5901  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 03, 2015, 03:00:15 AM
Wait, you expect to use your USD - overwhelmingly digital, or your Visa - intractibly dependent upon the Internet, after the apocalypse you've been prepping for? Because the comsats'll be comsatting and interweb providers'll be providing interwebs@groundzer0?
Maybe swap the $117.37 that your on-hand cash is limited to for tins of dog food, hmm?
You wacky, conventionally stupid old people! The nutty shit you imagine!

Us fiat-lovers ...

The point is that the old saw about 'your bitcoin is useless when the interwebs go dark' is trotted out time after time by idiot detractors that don't even realize that they're in the exact same predicament. They ignorantly toss it about as if to make their case.

Of course, when it comes to picking up the pieces afterwards, my money is on the prospect that the resourceful cryptonerds will get up a fully functional bitcoin packet radio network long before the merely resource-controlling overlords will restore access to the Internet-dependent monetary system to the mere peon subjects. Of course, if not, it's not as if its dollars before bitcoins -- it would be dollars concurrent with bitcoins.

edit: s/their/they're/
5902  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 03, 2015, 02:19:12 AM
With over half a mil sitting in the bank, the lower-middle-class Briton could live for over 250,000 days, or over 685 years on two dollars a day, without having to do a lick of useful work.

Umm, no. Not if the bank is charging them negative interest. Let alone the fact that one cannot live on $2 a day in the UK.
5903  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 03, 2015, 02:10:27 AM
Crawl back into your WWIII bunker filled with your useless filth you call fiat. Bathe in it, burn it for warmth, use it to wipe your disgusting arses, because soon that is all it will be useful for.

Wait, you expect to use your funbux after the apocalypse you've been prepping for? Because the comsats'll be comsatting and interweb providers'll be providing interwebs@groundzer0?
Maybe swap some paper wallets for tins of dog food, hmm?
You wacky, disruptively stupid young people! The nutty shit you imagine!

Aside from the fact that OP was talking about *fiat-lover's* WWIII bunker, not bitcoin-lover's bunker....

Wait, you expect to use your USD - overwhelmingly digital, or your Visa - intractibly dependent upon the Internet, after the apocalypse you've been prepping for? Because the comsats'll be comsatting and interweb providers'll be providing interwebs@groundzer0?
Maybe swap the $117.37 that your on-hand cash is limited to for tins of dog food, hmm?
You wacky, conventionally stupid old people! The nutty shit you imagine!
5904  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SEC charges Joshua Garza for conducting a Ponzi scheme and defrauding investors on: December 03, 2015, 01:33:42 AM
It will be interesting to see how deep Homero's scams reach into other commercial endeavors within the Bitcoin space. Cryptsy, for example, seems that it may have been in bed with him in the Paycoin scam.
5905  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SEC charges Joshua Garza for conducting a Ponzi scheme and defrauding investors on: December 03, 2015, 01:30:36 AM
That is what got me about all this (I did not have anything in GAW/Paycoin) ..is HE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING LEGIT with the leverage he had as a legit hardware manufacturer .

legit hardware manufacturer?

eta: ooohhhhkaaaaayyyyy.....

well more legit then bfl before the whole cloud mining etc etc there are at least GAW miners (labeled anyway) out there that did ROI

None of Homero's endeavors ever manufactured mining equipment. Sure, he sold some units made by others.

In what alternate universe do people fork over millions, based upon the credibility that he was the equivalent of a clerk at radio shack ([tm] RIP)?
5906  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SEC charges Joshua Garza for conducting a Ponzi scheme and defrauding investors on: December 02, 2015, 07:29:25 AM
That is what got me about all this (I did not have anything in GAW/Paycoin) ..is HE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING LEGIT with the leverage he had as a legit hardware manufacturer .

legit hardware manufacturer?

eta: ooohhhhkaaaaayyyyy.....
5907  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How are the banks corrupting Bitcoin? on: December 02, 2015, 05:59:41 AM
Gavin can change the code at any time. Isn't that one person with way too much power over the project?

I'm surprised to hear this from you. Gavin can change_some_ code at any time. He is powerless to change any code that anyone else is running. Hell, he can't even make changes to Bitcoin Core without the approval of the gatekeeper he put in place when he gave up the helm.
5908  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SEC charges Joshua Garza for conducting a Ponzi scheme and defrauding investors on: December 02, 2015, 05:53:32 AM
To be fair, I don't know any of the facts

From your incredulity so far, it is quite evident that you don't know any of the facts. Before you dig your hole any deeper, you might want to learn something about the facts of the case, as uncovered by independent non-professional investigation (the SEC ain't gonna share their files with you, you need another source):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.0

You might want to prepare a bushel of coffee beans before you launch in. Thread is long. Evidence is copious. And while some skepticism about actions brought about by agencies of the government is healthy, you're just making yourself look stupid by assuming that this is nothing more than malicious prosecution.
5909  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 30, 2015, 03:47:34 AM
WTF is GBTC? Whose implication?
5910  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io BTCLend LNC. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: November 30, 2015, 02:18:21 AM
1.  Stuart Fraser hasn't been held accountable for his involvement.

To be fair to the guy, what did he ever do other than funding Garza's projects ?

I think Stu was probably the person who got Paycoined the worst...

Stu's endorsement was the credibility builder that allowed the entire scam to take flight. No way the incoherent shyster would have had more than a pittance of marks without it.
5911  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 29, 2015, 07:43:48 PM
@Chartbuddy: Nice Avatar!

Is BlindMayorBitcorn related to ChartBuddy? I liked the HAL theme, but there is something deliciously ironic about Brother Ray with 3D shades.

Whoever does run ChartBuddy - thanx for the occasional alternate gifs. They almost always elicit a little chuckle.
5912  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2015, 12:55:52 AM
i think i have done enough waiting..

Enough waiting? Three years ago today, the price was about twelve bucks american. From my perspective, that ain't too bad. Perhaps more patience is in order.
5913  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What will happen with bitcoin mixers, etc. if bitcoin becomes truly anonymous? on: November 26, 2015, 12:32:35 AM
What will happen when bitcoin introduces zerocash or CT, and become truly anonymous? Will they become obsolete?

If bitcoin becomes anonymous, why would anyone other than the owners of mixing services care what happens to them? I certainly wouldn't.
5914  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 25, 2015, 10:40:26 PM
Edan Yago (CEO of Epiphyte) at the 2013 Bitcoin conference

He reveals that the host country of the project was supposed to be Honduras, in his reply to one of the first questions.

Well, no. At that point, he is clearly referring to an earlier attempt on the part of his group. The one that fell through when the Honduran Supreme Court overturned the constitutional changes that would have allowed the project to happen therein.  See 7:00 - "when ... interests in Honduras .. rejected the plan, it was a bitter defeat. But Honduras was not the only country we were negotiating with. Queitly we have been working with a different country on a different project"
5915  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 25, 2015, 07:53:58 PM
@jbreher: Is THIS the one, ZEDE?

I honestly don't know. When Yago presented at the Bitcoin 2013 conference in San Jose, he quite pointedly refused to divulge with which country Epiphyte was negotiating. Honduras seems quite plausible.

That since-imploded Chilean thing had already been in discussion elsewhere, so I know that it is not the same effort.

eta: more info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316449.0

Further eta: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208333.0;all

Further further edit after re-familiarization: Nope - not Honduras.
5916  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 25, 2015, 07:37:16 PM
I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page.  

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.

This it? http://panampost.com/adriana-peralta/2014/09/04/galts-gulch-chile-libertarian-paradise-turned-nightmare/

Flashback: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-chilean-libertarian-paradise/

Yeah, I think that's what jbreher is talking abou, not sure why he's denying it. A "'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent." Aptly called Galt's Gulch Smiley

Jbreher, you sure this doesn't ring any bells?
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"We aren't seeking to become a sovereign state, or city, as others have proposed in the past. We are simply offering a safe and prosperous place for people to come together and enjoy life in an economic climate that nobody has ever experienced before."

It rings plenty of bells. Different project. That's why I am denying it. Quite simple, really. I don't know why you persist in trying to mischaracterize my posts.
5917  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 25, 2015, 07:36:16 PM
I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page.  

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.

This it? http://panampost.com/adriana-peralta/2014/09/04/galts-gulch-chile-libertarian-paradise-turned-nightmare/

no.

Are you talking about that seastedding thing, a floating nation made out of discarded tires and empty milk jugs, tethered to an abandoned oil derrick?

no.

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Or that chunk of no man's land between Serbia and Croatia some enterprising nation-builder creatively called "Liberland"? <==hahahaha

no.
5918  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 25, 2015, 07:05:26 PM
I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.

This it? http://panampost.com/adriana-peralta/2014/09/04/galts-gulch-chile-libertarian-paradise-turned-nightmare/

no.
5919  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 25, 2015, 07:00:45 PM
I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.
5920  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 25, 2015, 06:50:52 PM
We'll never speak of it again Smiley

If only I could take you at your word, sonnyderp.
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