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5901  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: About PGP on: November 22, 2020, 06:53:54 PM
You don't need to convert the private key to pem first. You can decode the mnemonic phrase into the BIP39 seed, then pass the BIP39 seed to the PBKDF2 key stretching function (same as the one bitcoin uses), but with a different key size, in this case the length of your RSA key. There are python modules for these but IDK if C++ libraries for all of these exist.
PBKDF2 key or the first key from derivation path, it doesn't have that much difference does it? Because both are random. The only thing that changes is the size. As for my RSA key. Isn't it much longer than a bitcoin master key?

Well... there is a difference, you can stretch the PBKDF2 key to whatever size you want. Without going into too much detail the seed made by PBKDF2 has to be passed to SHA512-HMAC which expects a 512-bit key. Eventually the derivation process returns a 256-bit child key. You can't change the size without also changing the algorithm for deriving keys.

You said it yourself, that RSA keys are much longer than master keys. That's why derived keys are unsuitable as entropy for an RSA key.
But why he would derive keys? He doesn't need it.
Why it wouldn't be ok to just take the 512bit seed he got?


https://github.com/bitcoinbook/bitcoinbook/blob/develop/ch05.asciidoc#fig_5_7

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To create a binary seed from the mnemonic, we use the PBKDF2 function with a mnemonic sentence (in UTF-8 NFKD) used as the password and the string "mnemonic" + passphrase (again in UTF-8 NFKD) used as the salt. The iteration count is set to 2048 and HMAC-SHA512 is used as the pseudo-random function. The length of the derived key is 512 bits (= 64 bytes).

This seed can be later used to generate deterministic wallets using BIP-0032 or similar methods.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039.mediawiki
5902  Local / Économie et spéculation / Re: [BTC] Le bitcoin devrait remonter.... ou peut être redescendre on: November 22, 2020, 03:55:48 PM
Oui, c'est ce que je pense.
A la bourse, on est très familier de cette dépendance vis à vis des US.
Nos marchés sont très influencés par les marchés américains et d'ailleurs l'inverse n'est pas vrai.
Je ne sais pas s'il y a des statistiques là-dessus, mais je ne serais pas étonné que les plus gros volumes viennent de là-bas.
Et les volumes d'échanges sont fonction des habitudes de vie des gens. On peut penser qu'il y a moins d'échanges la nuit aux US, par exemple.
A la bourse française, j'ai souvent remarqué qu'il y a un calme relatif entre 12h30 et 13h30.
Mais bon, il y a aussi l'Asie…
C'et toujours curieux de voir qu'il ne se passe pas grand chose pendant des heures et que ça démarre tout d'u coup.
Oui mais ma question c'etait pourquoi ils seraient plus acheteurs que les autres (europe et asie)
5903  Local / Économie et spéculation / Re: [BTC] Le bitcoin devrait remonter.... ou peut être redescendre on: November 22, 2020, 02:23:56 PM
Ca y est les américains sont levés, ça repart.
Qu'est-ce que tu veux dire par là? Pourquoi tu penses que les americains achètent plus que les autres?

@MamaSan pense à ceux qui n'ont pas 4 ou 5 écrans comme toi stp [img height=...](ou width=) est tres utile...  Tongue
5904  Local / Économie et spéculation / Re: [BTC] Le bitcoin devrait remonter.... ou peut être redescendre on: November 22, 2020, 07:40:59 AM
[...] Oui mais tu penses qu'il peut vraiment monter beaucoup plus haut dans l'immédiat?
On commence à être très proche de l'ATH quand même... En tous cas je ne sais pas si c'est à cause de ça ou du week-end mais depuis 2 jours ça se tasse.

Le niveau de short a fortement augmenté depuis quelques jours, alors simplement pour ça oui, je pense qu'il peut faire bien plus genre ~23K. Après peut-être que ce sont les pro qui short en prévision d'un crash, on verra bien, mais je pense plus a une hausse personnellement.
23k Ca me semble beaucoup en si peu de temps, même si il reste embryonnaire, il y a quand même un petit écosystème Bitcoin et +100% d'inflation en quelques semaines ça doit être dur à suivre pour certains
5905  Local / Économie et spéculation / Re: [BTC] Le bitcoin devrait remonter.... ou peut être redescendre on: November 22, 2020, 07:15:31 AM
[...]Et la Yaplatu on sait toujours pas ce qu'elle a fait de son trade

Rien, pour le moment je ne vois pas de signal vendeur, donc j'attends.
Oui mais tu penses qu'il peut vraiment monter beaucoup plus haut dans l'immédiat?
On commence à être très proche de l'ATH quand même... En tous cas je ne sais pas si c'est à cause de ça ou du week-end mais depuis 2 jours ça se tasse.
5906  Local / Économie et spéculation / Re: Stratégies d'investissement on: November 21, 2020, 10:15:11 PM
Si tu vends ton tableau 200 euros, oui il y a création de richesses car ton acheteur n’a fait qu’échanger  200 euros en monnaie contre 200 euros en tableau. Pour l’acheteur rien n’a changé, il n’est ni plus riche, ni plus pauvre. Mais toi tu t’es enrichi.
Dans les faits et pour être plus précis, même l’acheteur est gagnant car il estime que le tableau vaut plus que les 200 euros qu’il a dépensé pour l’avoir. Sinon il n’aurait pas acheté.

Plus tard, si le tableau ne trouve pas preneur à plus de 2 euros, alors il y a destruction de richesses et le propriétaire du tableau est perdant.
Sauf que si tu considères que Bitcoin fait juste du yoyo depuis 3 ans, il y a "destruction" comme tu dis, à chaque fois , partant de là c'est bien un jeu à somme nulle au final.
5907  Local / Actualité et News / Re: Paypal sur le point d'ajouter Bitcoin? on: November 21, 2020, 09:45:00 PM

Article payant  Undecided

Ha oui c'est bizarre ça, si je passe par le lien que j'ai posté c'est effectivement payant. Mais si je passe par la recherche google qui m'avait mené à cette page c'est gratos  Cheesy

https://www.google.com/search?q=paxos+buying+btc&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiF5Pm_5pPtAhVSBGMBHccyA5sQ_AUoAXoECBUQAw&biw=1280&bih=686

Chez moi c'est le premier lien donné (en ce moment quoi). Tu me dira si ça fonctionne pour toi.
oui ça marche, mais j'avais reussi à le lire en passant par archive.is http://archive.is/JEusS
5908  Local / Économie et spéculation / Re: [BTC] Le bitcoin devrait remonter.... ou peut être redescendre on: November 21, 2020, 09:25:59 PM
Elle est ou notre Starlette avec une flèche vers le haut et une flèche vers le bas(et une dans le cul?)?
Ca serait bien de nous éclairer avec un graph  Roll Eyes
Et la Yaplatu on sait toujours pas ce qu'elle a fait de son trade
5909  Local / Économie et spéculation / Re: Stratégies d'investissement on: November 21, 2020, 05:40:58 PM
Dans ce cas pourquoi on ne dit pas à tout le tiers-monde d'investir ses economies dedans puisque Bitcoin crée de la richesse ex nihilo? Les cryptos sont la solution à la pauvreté dans le monde si il suffit d'y investir pour que tout le monde gagne de l'argent.

Les cryptos ne sont pas une martingale qui fait gagner obligatoirement de l'argent, pas plus que l'or, les actions, l'immobilier ou l'art.

Je répondais à ton affirmation erronée qui était la suivante: si quelqu'un gagne alors il faut que quelqu'un perde. Quand on gagne de l'argent c'est que l'on a créé de la richesse. L'argent gagné n'a absolument pas été pris à autrui. Sauf évidemment en ce qui concerne les impôts qui n'est qu'une forme de vol légalisé.

Dans le cas des cryptos, si le marketcap de l'une d'entre elles s'effondre, alors il y a destruction de richesses et par voie de conséquence une destruction de monnaie.
La quantité de monnaie doit correspondre à la quantité de richesse.

Ce que tu dois comprendre, c'est que l'économie, quelque soit le domaine, n'est PAS un système de vase communicants. Un euros de gagné, n'est pas un euro de perdu par autrui, c'est un euro créé.
Donc si pour quelques dizaines de centimes d'euros de peinture et de toile je fais un gribouillis et que j'arrive à le vendre 200€ à un benêt, j'ai créé de la richesse?
Meme si il n'arrive qu'à le revendre 2€ dans un vide-greniers avec un joli cadre?
Pour moi il y a 0 création de richesse car j'ai gagné 200€ mais il en a perdu autant, et ça serait également vrai si il arrivait à le revendre 300€ à un super benêt car j'aurais gagné 200€, il aurait gagné 100€ mais super benêt aurait perdu 300€...  Undecided
5910  Local / Actualité et News / Re: Paypal sur le point d'ajouter Bitcoin? on: November 21, 2020, 02:29:01 PM

Ils disent que Paxos achète (au nom de PayPal) plus de 100 % des bitcoins émis quotidiennement


Ouch sachant que +- 900 btc sont minés actuellement chaque jour  Shocked (6,5 +- / 10mn)

Ca ferait plus de 16m$ d'achat de btc par jour...

Un article intéressant du financial time approfondi le sujet et évoque une autre piste pouvant expliquer la montée du prix du btc (difficulté des mineurs chinois à convertir leur btc en yuan ces derniers temps) --> https://www.ft.com/content/b18335fe-1926-48f5-9522-c99d27b07ade
Article payant  Undecided
5911  Local / Économie et spéculation / Re: Stratégies d'investissement on: November 21, 2020, 10:40:08 AM
L'argent ne tombe pas du ciel, si tu gagnes de l'argent c'est que quelqu'un en perd

Ha bon? Je ne comprends pas cette affirmation.

Donc pour toi Bitcoin crée de l'argent ex-nihilo?


Tu confonds, comme beaucoup de gens, richesses et quantité de monnaie. La monnaie n’est qu’un outil permettant d’échanger des richesses.
Quand le marketcap d’une crypto passe de 100 millions d’euros à 200 millions, la quantité de richesse est doublée. Il y a eu création de l’équivalent de 100 millions d’euros de richesse. Afin de pouvoir échanger facilement ces nouvelles richesses, il est nécessaire d’augmenter la masse monétaire d’autant.
C’est le rôle des banques ou plus exactement des banques centrales qui vont augmenter la quantité de monnaie.

Donc oui, il y a création d’argent (avec un peu d’inertie).
Dans ce cas pourquoi on ne dit pas à tout le tiers-monde d'investir ses economies dedans puisque Bitcoin crée de la richesse ex nihilo? Les cryptos sont la solution à la pauvreté dans le monde si il suffit d'y investir pour que tout le monde gagne de l'argent.
La vérité on la voit chez les altcoins, quand tout le monde vend son coin, la valeur retombe à 0, et les derniers à vendre ne trouvent même pas d'acheteurs à un satoshi bien souvent  Undecided Le cimetière des deadcoins est là pour témoigner
5912  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Player protection - stop loss limit on: November 20, 2020, 10:57:47 PM
I never seen a casino that offers that kind of features, all they want is to maximize their profit, so it doesn't make sense if they'll put that kind of feature.  

The same thing. It's very weird because of two reasons:

1. It's against main purpose of every casino - to make more money as it can

2. Such "option" would make just more complaints from angry gamblers (you've lost 100 dollars, you want regamble again and you find yourself under stoploss limit. butthurt will be with probability of 100 % )

So this is looks like more like PR rather than real option.
I'm not sure about that, if too many people lose big amounts it will lead to new regulations, potentially bad for their business.
Moreover bad and sad stories of ruined players, hurt their reputations.
5913  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A gambler living in England makes a $5M bet on Trump on: November 20, 2020, 10:48:16 PM
I'm quite sure that the conditions of the bet will stipulate very clearly when and how the winner (of the election as well as of the bet Wink) will be decided. Doesn't look good for this gambler though... Wink
Will? No they can't change terms or add new ones once the bet is closed, they can just cancel the bet if things are not anymore clear enough.
has the votes been finalized?
And yeah, it seems we can't do anything about it, besides it's not their fault for having a failed elections, so I think all of the bets won't be reclaim/refunded.
If they neither pay nor refund the bet, it would be a basic theft. Sportbooks doing that could lose their license along with their reputation.
5914  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A gambler living in England makes a $5M bet on Trump on: November 20, 2020, 10:35:41 PM
but we must admit that Trump's chances are extremely low and some bookmakers already made paymets for users who made their bets on Baiden...
even if its so low upto 1% it's still considerable, we might not know what will happen next, besides even if the odds are on with Biden we still know that there are many people who still believes on Trump.

I wonder what will be the outcome of this re-counts, though even I has a slightest doubt of having this an excuse to.make changes in the gap between votes.

If the stakes are high, some will really not pay these bettors up until there is official proclamation of the President. Though it is clearly, Biden wins here but we don't know if there are still cards hidden that may overturn this event. Really interesting if there will be some miracle that will change the results of this event.
OK but who will make this "official proclamation"? Only Trump and Biden could do that AFAIK, and if Trump doesn't accept his defeat bettors will need to wait several months or even years for court decisions from different states  Undecided

Here's a good article for that.

Who formally declares the winner of the US presidential election?

We can also check on the popular giant media for the declaration as they are more reliable, and until now I haven't seen a new stating that Biden was the winner already as he was not really declared yet.
Thank you for this article, so it seems there will be a first term "the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December. This year, that’s Dec. 14, 2020" and a second one "On Jan. 6, Congress convenes to count the electoral votes and certify the winner of the election."
5915  Economy / Gambling / Re: Sportsbooks that aren’t paying out on Biden winning the US Presidential Election on: November 20, 2020, 10:24:36 PM
I placed a bet with sportsbet.io on Biden to win the election. They have paid me out my winnings.

A few people I know made the same bet with Nitrogen Sports & another guy with betBTC & they’re all worried that I’ve been paid out but Nitrogen & betBTC are stalling.

Is anybody else experiencing the above issue? Clearly Biden is the new POTUS yet Nitrogen & betBTC are stalling.

Every single news outlet is reporting that Biden is the winner and I’ve seen his speech.  
My guess is that any sportsbook refusing to pay out on Biden is desperately hoping for some nonsense court case which has a close to zero chance of happening.

If anyone wants to contribute about being paid/not being paid, I encouarage you to post in this thread. It’d be really good to make the community aware of any difficulties anybody is having with certain sportsbooks.

It’s good to know in advance of the next elections which bookies pay up fast and which don’t.

Thanks guys.
Freebitcoin has still not paid the bet (still in "pending" status) but I'm in no hurry, I think it's even more professional to wait an official announcement. There will be one in few weeks now AFAIK
5916  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Player protection - stop loss limit on: November 20, 2020, 10:11:22 PM
as example another UK bookmaker that offer this option is betfair (for all product like casino or sports gambling).
I was wondering if there is any form of payback in case this stop loss limit was not working.
https://support.betfair.com/app/answers/list/c/768
It seems to be a very interesting and useful feature, unfortunately Betfair ban its access to people from many countries  Sad
So I hope this feature will be available on other sportbooks soon

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How do loss limits work?

Loss limits for betting start from the moment they are first set. They run for the time you choose (day, week, month or year) and then they are automatically re-set and begin again.

For example:  if you set a loss limit of £100 (€100) per week around Monday mid-day, your losses will be tracked from that point and you will be prevented from losing more than £100 (€100) until the following Monday. Then the loss limits will be re-set for the following week.


Unmatched bets will also be counted towards your loss limit. If you cannot place a bet, please check that your unmatched bets would not cause you to hit your loss limit.

If you try to remove or increase your limit, it will only take effect if you confirm this change after 7 days. Any decrease in the limit will be applied immediately.


Loss limits cover net losses (taking winnings into account) on the sports betting products, Virtual Sports, Casino and Bingo.

We offer different loss limits

Global – All products included
Gaming – Includes Casino, Arcade & Bingo
Virtual Sports
Poker & Exchange games do not have loss limits these products are a transfer limit. This limit restricts the amount a customer can transfer to another wallet on their account.

Loss limits have the same time options as deposit limits with one additional option for yearly limits.
5917  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A gambler living in England makes a $5M bet on Trump on: November 20, 2020, 09:28:10 PM
but we must admit that Trump's chances are extremely low and some bookmakers already made paymets for users who made their bets on Baiden...
even if its so low upto 1% it's still considerable, we might not know what will happen next, besides even if the odds are on with Biden we still know that there are many people who still believes on Trump.

I wonder what will be the outcome of this re-counts, though even I has a slightest doubt of having this an excuse to.make changes in the gap between votes.

If the stakes are high, some will really not pay these bettors up until there is official proclamation of the President. Though it is clearly, Biden wins here but we don't know if there are still cards hidden that may overturn this event. Really interesting if there will be some miracle that will change the results of this event.
OK but who will make this "official proclamation"? Only Trump and Biden could do that AFAIK, and if Trump doesn't accept his defeat bettors will need to wait several months or even years for court decisions from different states  Undecided

Here's a good article for that.

Who formally declares the winner of the US presidential election?

We can also check on the popular giant media for the declaration as they are more reliable, and until now I haven't seen a new stating that Biden was the winner already as he was not really declared yet.

I'm quite sure that the conditions of the bet will stipulate very clearly when and how the winner (of the election as well as of the bet Wink) will be decided. Doesn't look good for this gambler though... Wink
Will? No they can't change terms or add new ones once the bet is closed, they can just cancel the bet if things are not anymore clear enough.
5918  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How long until we can bet with bitcoin in real life casinos? on: November 20, 2020, 09:16:57 PM

That is why I wrote that this is the second cause. However, it happens to be. How many ordinary casino visitors have heard about Bitcoin? How many have used it, how many people from them will want to create their own lightning node? Chips in casinos can be bought for fiat currency much easier and faster.
Yes you're right, but if you want to gamble undeclared or illegal money, it's more convenient to bring a smartphone than huge amounts of banknotes.

I always play on honestly earned money so I have nothing to hide or hide. I think that someone who has dishonestly earned Bitcoins is unlikely to go to an ordinary casino. After all, there are cameras installed there and if he is wanted by the police at his Bitcoin address  they will easily find information about what he looks like and can further identify him.
I'm not sure about that, on blockchain you can just see adresses and nothing else, so nobody knows what you have done or sold to get those coins.
So what you are saying only applies to major traffickers IMO.
Moreover mixer services offer a pretty good anonymity.
5919  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Proof of pure luck on: November 20, 2020, 08:59:58 PM
You should add this update to the OP for more visibility IMO
It's not ready yet. Once it is, I'll announce it. I just wanted to post this beta version to whoever is interested on testing it. I've already seen some important bugs that must be fixed, though.

I'm using Chrome and I get this message
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Your browser does not support WebGL
That's a serious issue, because I don't know anything about html5 (in which most internet casinos are based on). I only know programming and building for WebGL (if we're talking about browser games). From what device are you trying to visit it? Smart TV? Because I think that all PCs that run chrome have pre-installed webgl.

Browsers that can't run webgl are usually those that don't have access to hardware acceleration. On chrome://settings/system be sure that the checkbox is checked.
No I'm using Chrome on a classic PC laptop and the hardware acceleration seems to be correctly checked in the browser.
But it should be just a little bug because now I don't get this box anymore. ✔️
5920  Local / Hors-sujet / Re: prophétie on: November 20, 2020, 08:19:05 PM
attention, les gens, denisdenis est un redoutable compétiteur, il avait gagné un précédent mien jeu :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3292685.0
Et celui-là il est toujours en cours ou pas?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108488.0

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