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5941  Other / Meta / Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust? on: September 22, 2015, 08:51:10 AM
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So you just did not have the time to inform the people you take money from what you do with their money?

If I see how hard it is to inform you just to inform that with this money is done nothing and it is just used to fix the prorata...I do not regret not talking about...
it's a startup...and investors who have invested have not waited that you understand...
they have contact me and have asked about what was not clear...
Do not take investors for "idiots"...

It is your assumption that I take your investors for anything. Please if you find someone that understands your system, have them contact me. You keep repeating the same things, there is no reason to do so.

Is what I do with the money so important?

In my opinion (and that of other) it is. I would like to assume that everyone thinks their own money is important enough to at least understand what they spend it on. There is nothing I can do about people that just blindly trust someone, but warn them. This is what your rating is about. Its a warning that you run and promote a complex investment scheme you seem unable to explain in plain english. I think I should probably rephrase the rating to reflect that and link to this thread as it allows those who care to read up on our discussion and make up their own mind.

What is important is that investors invest and are sure to get back their money...with profit.
More is not in the deal.
You trust or you do not trust me.

I dont trust you, in fact I have a strong feeling that you are after coins from other people without a concept (this was only clear after the discussion) only to enrich yourself. Your scheme reeks like ponzi, you fail to address questions and repeat the same bogus stuff over and over again.

Investors are clever enough to investigate about winspiral and they can easily see if it is worth or not to invest and if winspiral is trustable.

If that is true, than my rating did nothing to you or your business. If investors actually understand your system and have researched your system, they should have no problem to cast my opinion aside and invest regardless.

I have started my system and given the possibility to invest at who want...
After if people invest or do not invest does absolutly not matter for me.
All we are now talking about has so few importance because if I would scam people,I could scam people...but why should I now after so long time on the net?
Just for few satoshi?
Do you believe that people will invest 100 bitcoin for just few satoshi dividends?

Scammers gonna scam for the smallest amounts. You dont have a point here.

Have you not understood that if to much is invested for actual dividends it is non-sens and then even if all is given back it is non-sens.

What would be too much for you though?

Why should I invent a ponzi where it is not recommended to invest to much if dividends are low?
Why should I invent a ponzi where I show that the dividend is low?

Once again...
I program systems for the fun...and people invest if they want and if they do not trust they do not invest.
I do not say they have to leave the thread...just not invest.
If they trust me...then just invest if they think that the profit is interesting.
After what i do with their money...I say it and say it again...i do nothing with  it it is just for the dividend dispatching.

If you just want to give away a little, why not create a faucet? Why do ask for money if you dont need it?

My system is not just an investisment system.
It is more a game where you have to decide if it is interesting to invest.
it's not "invest and you get 10% in 100 days"...
No.
You have to decide if for you...and only for you it is interesting to invest for eventually very few dividends or perhaps yes perhaps more.
You play this game or not...
For me even if only one do play...it is enough(i have already explain it)

To be honnest with you:
I had never believed that so much is so fast invested in my system.
I believed that people will first "look" how things will progress.

Good night...it's late here in France (lol)

Good night.

tl;dr Since you dont answer my questions anyway, find someone that can.



Thanks for your interest in my system...even if you disapprove it.

it is endless...it seems you are the only one who does not undertand.
But it is better so (lol)(that it seem you are the only one,not that you do not understand)

I will take your "interrogations" as base for doing a "FAQ" page on my site because here is all spoted every where and it is even more confuse that my own site itself(lol)
And with an french man who cannot perfectly write english an a forum member who does not understand what is wroten it is not easy...
By the way i have  running 2 faucets...why program another one?
But if it can rassure you...my 2 faucets are even more complicated than my invest system...(lol)
Fortunately you have not yet seen them...because ther are even more suspectable to be scams.

5942  Other / Meta / Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust? on: September 22, 2015, 07:21:28 AM
I apologize if I'm asking a noob question and I also apologize if this is the wrong thread to be asking the question, but I feel like it's germain to this discussion (forgive me if I'm wrong):

What is an Avatar sponsorship and how does a negative trust rating effect it?

I'm a living exemple for your question:
iI had a sponsor who bought my avatar place and I put at this place his avatar and few propotion words.
I got negative points...and so My sponsor has decide to stop the avatar sponsoring because he want not be associated with a negative pointed.

it is why you should be carefull with your power to give negative points because you can indirectly decrease the incomes of an innocent.

My negative trust pointers believe that they do somethings good for the society,but in reality they destroy a part of incomes of an innocent for a wrong reason.

I insist about this story for at least 5 reasons:
1)My reputation is blacked because it is said i'm a ponzi promoter.
2)My site is blacked because wrong promotion is made about it.
3)I lose money for many reason for this misinformation.
4)People perhaps will lose money  because they do not invest after reading that i'm a ponzi promoter.
5)My investors are taken for (Chose the word yourself) because they have invested in a supposed ponzi.
6)My investors will ean less because I and my start-up earn less.

It's the last reason who hurt me the most because innocent investors loose money for wrong reason.


5943  Other / Meta / Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust? on: September 21, 2015, 11:04:25 PM
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So you just did not have the time to inform the people you take money from what you do with their money?

If I see how hard it is to inform you just to inform that with this money is done nothing and it is just used to fix the prorata...I do not regret not talking about...
it's a startup...and investors who have invested have not waited that you understand...
they have contact me and have asked about what was not clear...
Do not take investors for "idiots"...

Is what I do with the money so important?
What is important is that investors invest and are sure to get back their money...with profit.
More is not in the deal.
You trust or you do not trust me.
Investors are clever enough to investigate about winspiral and they can easily see if it is worth or not to invest and if winspiral is trustable.

I have started my system and given the possibility to invest at who want...
After if people invest or do not invest does absolutly not matter for me.
All we are now talking about has so few importance because if I would scam people,I could scam people...but why should I now after so long time on the net?
Just for few satoshi?
Do you believe that people will invest 100 bitcoin for just few satoshi dividends?

Have you not understood that if to much is invested for actual dividends it is non-sens and then even if all is given back it is non-sens.

Why should I invent a ponzi where it is not recommended to invest to much if dividends are low?
Why should I invent a ponzi where I show that the dividend is low?

Once again...
I program systems for the fun...and people invest if they want and if they do not trust they do not invest.
I do not say they have to leave the thread...just not invest.
If they trust me...then just invest if they think that the profit is interesting.
After what i do with their money...I say it and say it again...i do nothing with  it it is just for the dividend dispatching.

My system is not just an investisment system.
It is more a game where you have to decide if it is interesting to invest.
it's not "invest and you get 10% in 100 days"...
No.
You have to decide if for you...and only for you it is interesting to invest for eventually very few dividends or perhaps yes perhaps more.
You play this game or not...
For me even if only one do play...it is enough(i have already explain it)

To be honnest with you:
I had never believed that so much is so fast invested in my system.
I believed that people will first "look" how things will progress.

Good night...it's late here in France (lol)







5944  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: [ANN] *1444 Satoshis * Every 90 Min * 50% Referral Commission* on: September 21, 2015, 05:29:57 PM
i can understand 1 protection for bot user, but click 3-4 timne to CLICK ME is more already for 1444 satoshi .

ps. balance is low
Balance: 161015 satoshi is only for next 100 user  Grin
Euh found only 9 satoshi now lol
Is it refilled and emptied so fast or you just make a calculation?

Balance: 9 satoshi

for me too.
5945  Other / Meta / Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust? on: September 21, 2015, 05:09:59 PM
But I feel that forums will not be enough to explain my system.(lol)

So you are saying this ponzi is your system, and you are not just promoting it?

of course it is my system but not my ponzi (lol)
5946  Other / Meta / Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust? on: September 21, 2015, 05:05:18 PM
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You answered 1 out of 3 questions I have and asked me to leave your thread.
if i have wrote this it was not in my mind...
have I wrote this?

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#2 how it is tied to the investors (if its from ads, why do you need their money?)

I do not understant tied...

this is what i answered on my topic to an other member:

http://bitcoin.winspiral.net

Plan 100 days maxi.
Investment 1mBTC minimum

No risk...You can not lose.
You can follow the earning process several times updated per day.

Earning depends on the income of the site itself.
The investors are shareholders of the site.







This site and that addres were belong to you?? Can i get any detail here how you manage our money??? So i can make my personal analisis before i jump on yours program...

No problem even if I have it explained here several times.
it seems it is hard to understand for people...I hope it is understood by the investors.

Your money serves only and strictly only to determine the part of shares you have in the start-up.
is this clear?
if this is not understood...all my system is not understood.

let's suppose in my startup is invested 49mBTS (pending investment)
if you invest 1mBTC we have 50mBTC pending investment.
so each time a dividend is given you earn (dividend/50*1)

if you invest 2mBTC:
so each time a dividend is given you earn (dividend/51*2)

Is so far all clear...because if one does not understand this...i cannot imagine how one can analyse...

i have got 2 negative trust points from people who does not understand this...
The problem is...because of this 2 people i have lost my avatar sponsor.
If each time I would not understand something or someone i give a negative trust point i would only do this...



and for this:
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#3 why you explain nothing in that regard on your site?

I thought that all would gone slower and that I would have more time to talk about little by little when pages are created.
I thought that discussion will start on the other forum where the link from is on homepage.
The talk about page is not yet "arranged"
But I feel that forums will not be enough to explain my system.(lol)

You have certainly noticed that on the site is a contact link where one can ask for more info too.











5947  Other / Meta / Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust? on: September 21, 2015, 04:06:12 PM
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Okay I get that but why do you need investors money for it then? And how can you promise back an interest along with it as well?

it is the two points who are not understood by my detractors...
i have explained it already 5 times:
the investment is JUST to fix the prorata of dividends.
I promise an interest but I do not promise a "amount of interest" for exemple 1% or 10% etc...
The only thing I promise is that the principal is given back in less then 100 days.
About the dividends nothing is promised...exept that what you see on your account will be given with the last payout.

So long people does not understand this...they believe that it is a ponzi.
But if one understand the principle...the one understand that it has absolutly nothing to do with a ponsi sheme.
5948  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: September 21, 2015, 03:56:01 PM
Hi! Cheesy

I recently created a thread asking for the best methods of gaining free Bitcoin.

Most popular results:
  • Signature Campaign (High Paying)
  • Faucets (Low Paying)
  • Trading (Variable)

Now, I'm asking a different question.
What are your best methods of growing Bitcoin.

Only refer to safe investments!

Thanks

I'm investing to HYIP.
if u find a good hyip, can u let me know. everything I've tried so far doesnt really have good reviews

I am allowed to propose you my HYIP?
Or better said a LYIP...
But I would like to warn you...
Some people believe that it is a ponzi and that i am a scammer...
5949  Other / Meta / Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust? on: September 21, 2015, 03:49:21 PM
If you can actually prove that this is not a ponzi (or scheme of similar likelihood) then I'm sure shorena would remove the rating and you'd stop being looked down upon. Time alone won't help a lot though, there have been scams running for a very long time.

I tried...but shorena does not understand my English.
I wish only one thing..;that such thing does not happen to other forum members.
My purpose is programming systems,making money and dispatching it to my members...without risk.
if someone does see in this a ponzi sheme i cannot avoid it.
In my eyes with a ponsi sheme you have ever a loser...
Explain me how a system without losers can be a ponzi?
if asking satoshi means ponzi...then all no free systems are ponzi.
All sites are then certainly ponzi if you send satoshi somewhere because the recerver can not send you something for your satoshi.

But it is clear...here anyone can note negative for anyone and the "negative noted" can just dry...(lol)

In France...if you write something in a newspaper about you...you have a "droit de réponse" (right of answer)
I think near to the vote and comment from shorena,I should have  the right and the place to answer...
5950  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Scrypt.CC | Scrypt Cloud Mining on: September 21, 2015, 11:47:43 AM
Can you reset your password...
I cannot it does not work.

Pretty sure that's normal, the password reset broke a while back (probably on purpose, to steal more bitcoins).  Roll Eyes

then my account is stealed (lol)
5951  Other / Meta / Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust? on: September 21, 2015, 11:44:27 AM
i voted no, mostly ponzi signatures is just a paid one and some users only want to earn and not really promote the site in their sig
As to that argument I have two counter-arguments:
1) There are lots of signature campaigns so there is not really a necessity for joining a signature camp for a ponzi site.
2) Running for a signature campaign that you know is scam , and still turning a blind eye as to what effects it may have is a shady behaviour.
Although I do agree signature participants should be given a chance before they should be given a negative feedback for promoting a scam.

I have got 2 negative trust points for a link in my signature.
What can I do,
nothing...the voters have the last word even if they are wrong.
because this 2 negative trust points i have lost a sponsor.
What can i do?
Nothing.
Remove my link?
So if a link does not please  in a signature it need just to give negative trust points?
Do you think this is a fair system?
What would you say If I and severals of my friends would give you negative trust points for a wrong reason?
Because with my negative trust points you not only hurt me,but as well all winspiral's members who can lose money for a lying.

be carefull with your trust vote...it can fast be  explosive...
yes if you vote negative because you suppose that the member coulf eventually be a scammer...then you play with the fire and you can burn yourself.
Of course, ponzis and their advertisements aren't against the rules here or anything but leaving trust ratings freely is also not against the rules. If the single person in default trust that left you negative thinks advertising ponsis while not disclosing what they actually are is immoral they he's free to accuse you. While you probably didn't scam someone directly, the most responsible thing to do while advertising something would be to warn people that are potentially interested on what they could be getting into.

For me it is clear:
I will time let prove that it's not a ponzi and that i'm not a scammer...
Anyway one cannot do something against...
I cannot prove that my system is not a ponzi
and i cannot prove that i will not be a scammer in the future.
Can someone prove that he will never be a scammer?
Basta...

5952  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Scrypt.CC | Scrypt Cloud Mining on: September 21, 2015, 11:35:55 AM
Can you reset your password...
I cannot it does not work.
5953  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SmartPoker | SmartChips - Decentralized Poker Service on: September 21, 2015, 11:33:00 AM
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S'agit-il de votre domaine ?
Connectez-le à votre site Wix en quelques étapes :

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I see this...do they change server?
5954  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Did you earn some bitcoin today? on: September 21, 2015, 11:26:39 AM
I have definitively stoped investing in ponzi sheme.

with ponzi shames you have 2 possibilities:
1)the webmaster is honnest:
then you will earn at the begining till or so long the system is not dry.

2)the webmaster is a scammer:
then you earn nener or just at the beginning so long the webmaster chose to payout.

I have meet both situations.
Go away is the best thing to do.
5955  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: *Skybtc (Sky Bitcoin)* win more now with 50% Affiliate on: September 21, 2015, 11:20:29 AM
it seems that payout are not possible.
5956  Other / Archival / Re: Last Drink You drank. (daily thread) on: September 21, 2015, 11:19:14 AM
black coffee
5957  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: *Skybtc (Sky Bitcoin)* win more now with 50% Affiliate on: September 21, 2015, 10:34:42 AM
If a site gives more than it get incomes...he must soon or late correct the payouts.

Now it will depends how much it has to be corrected...
5958  Other / Off-topic / Re: Post your Total time logged into Bitcointalk on: September 21, 2015, 10:31:05 AM
Total time logged in: 10 days, 1 hours and 12 minutes.
5959  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Did you earn some bitcoin today? on: September 21, 2015, 10:30:11 AM
few satoshi from faucets and from ads on my sites.
5960  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: 100 days plan - bitcoin.winspiral.net on: September 21, 2015, 10:01:09 AM
Received my first payment of dust from this investment.  Thanks Winspiral lease keep it up
same got another payment from here. 20% of my initial investment are back
Thank you!  Grin

you'r welcome.
I overlook bhievly your accounts...
so far if I have looked well you can count of a profit of 5000 satoshi or so...
Thanks for your trust because one had to be very courageous to invest in a start-up where nothing is promised about profit.

Sorry for the brain gymnastick one has to do to analyse for so little profit...
But I'm confident seeing the progress.
Roma was not bought in one day.


I have a question in my message box i will answer here so many people can learn about:

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I saw your site and have some question.
BTC sent
pending BTC
Next payout
BTC paid

can you explain (in a simple way, please) what those 4 means?
also that is your site, correct? the one on your sig?

"BTC sent" is what the investor has sent in the system.

"pending BTC" is what it taken to calculate the dividends.

"Next payout" is what is used to send you 10% of "BTC sent"
This is done 9 times.At the last and 10th payout is added the dividend and then the plan is finished.

"BTC paid" is what the system has paid out.

"Inv date" is the date where the plan started.

............................................

On the "YOUR PROFIT" page you have as well:

"Profit" is what your dividend made.This is the minimum you will get with the last payout.

"% next payout" is the same than "Next payout" but in percentage.It is more representative for me to see when a payout is possible.

"% paid" is what is paid.If you see more then 100% then the plan is finished.

The 4 graphic pages are very important too to analyse the present and the past of the start-up...
Unfortunately I know nothing about the future. Smiley



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