I think a secondary residency is now my highest priority, they may start making it harder to get if they begin to detect a mass exodus from the west.
Residency is not the same as citizenship. Australia still controls you to some extent while you have only 1 passport. I suppose residency could give you some ability to resist for example if Australia canceled your passport, depending where that residency was, e.g. Brazil or Chile might protect you more than Philippines. Or did you mean 2nd citizenship? Please see my post in the MA thread about difference in cultures. I am trying to figure this out for my own goals as well. I mean secondary citizenship, but there doesn't appear to be any streamlined way to acquire it unless you're a millionaire. South America seems to be the easiest, but I expect it will take a while even after fulfilling the financial requirements. It is easy for me to find work wherever I go, perhaps a South American chicken hut is what I will have to aim for by 2016. I am looking at Uruguay, there seems to be less fucking around with translated documents?? Dominica is $235,000 for you and your family. Other than that, your options are to go for residency and comply with all the requirements for language and actual commitment to the live in the country you chose. Since you are married, I agree Uruguay may be best. You'd probably find more work there, as it is wealthier than Paraguay. And it has visa-free entry to Australia, so you could still return home even after you had renounced your Aussie citizenship. But Uruguay is also expensive to live in. I don't know all the details of your situation, but you might be wise to lower your expenses for a while in Philippines first and let the global economy collapse in 2016 so then Uruguay will get less expensive (but jobs will also reduce). I'd favor Paraguay because I wouldn't be including a wife, so Uruguay would be a 5 year wait for citizenship a single man (versus 3 years for a married couple). Note it is only 2 years in Peru. But I hope I could afford Dominica or St. Kitts as that would be more efficient. I'll work hard and try to make it happen for myself. If you have $10,000 to invest in gold and crypto in Spring 2016, then within a year or so, you should be able to get at least double or triple on that. Hopefully you'll also be lucky enough to buy a disruptive crypto that perhaps has some better gains. So maybe you could get lucky and a small investment might turn into enough funds to do your relocation to Uruguay if you decide to go that route. My point is try to maximize the $$ you will have available to invest in Spring 2016. That is going to be your big chance to become a millionaire, if you have sufficient funds to invest in private assets on the coming Spring low. And then make sure you are outside of Australia for more than 6 months in the tax year when you will take gains on your investments, so you won't be liable for taxes to Australia. If you are in Philippines or Uruguay, they won't take you on that. Uruguay gives new residents a 5 year tax holiday. And Philippines never taxes foreigners who are residing in the Philippines. You could try contacting these guys. They are affiliated with Doug Casey: http://tdvpassports.com/
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In light of my prior post, I want to point out that all nations of the world (except the USA) do not tax citizens on world wide income when they reside outside their country of citizenship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_taxationAnd this was a primary reason many have wanted to drop their USA citizenship. Why pay taxes for services you are not receiving, e.g. not using the roads of the USA, etc.. There is an exclusion though up to roughly $100,000 in income per year: http://www.liferemotely.com/work-while-traveling/managing-a-business/65-paying-taxes-in-your-home-country-when-you-arent-living-thereI believe the EU will end up copying the USA model, because the EU is so bankrupt (the southern contagion will eventually spread north), the youth must flee abroad to find opportunity, and those with wealth can reside outside their home country (e.g. UK citizens residing in Spain or vice versa) to avoid taxation. So I believe eventually at least the EU will consolidate taxation across Europe and probably also in conjunction with UK and USA also (and perhaps Australia and NZ as well), so that Europeons can't escape taxation. That seems inevitable to me. Besides the island economic citizenship programs which do not require residency nor any language tests (and ignoring the very expensive programs in the USA and EU), the quickest residency based citizenship opportunities are Peru (2 years), Paraguay (3 years), and Argentina (2 - 3 years). Uruguay is also 3 years if you are married. I'm ignoring the other countries in S.A. as being far too socialist or other problems. Argentine citizenship isn't desirable because it has a 1.25% annual global wealth tax. Peru requires 6 months physical presence every year of the 2 years waiting period. Paraguay doesn't require physical presence but will need to show ties and commitment to the country. All require passing Spanish language tests. Argentina and Paraguay have the best economic indicators (see the PDF I linked in prior post). http://tdvpassports.com/As I've thought more about my situation, the USA's $100,000 a year income tax exemption for foreign residents is probably sufficient for me. Thus my main goal for a 2nd passport would just to be sure I could always travel no matter what the restrictions appeared on my USA passport (either from the USA or from other countries). Also the option to renounce the USA citizenship if ever I had a great need such as for waiting to declare capital gains or income > $100,000 per annum. Thus given Dominica citizenship can be renounced, it appears to be the ideal choice if I have sufficient funds ($100,000). If I do anything in S.A., it would be as a tourist and not resident so I don't have to pay taxes on my foreign income to them. Chile however does apparently offer that 3 year tax holiday for permanent residents. Philippines does not tax foreign income for foreigner residents. So feel free to avail of the Philippine's retirement visa. But there is really no need for that expense any more since you can get nearly the same rights using 6 month tourist visa extensions staying up to 3 years before need to exit for a day.
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Who’s Nexit?
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/11/beyond-greece-world-filled-debt-crisesCountries currently in government external debt crisis ■ Armenia
■ Belize
■ Costa Rica
■ Croatia
■ Cyprus
■ Dominican Republic
■ El Salvador
■ The Gambia
■ Greece
■ Grenada
■ Ireland
■ Jamaica
■ Lebanon
■ Macedonia
■ Marshall Islands
■ Montenegro
■ Portugal
■ Spain
■ Sri Lanka
■ St Vincent and the Grenadines
■ Tunisia
■ Ukraine
■ Sudan
■ Zimbabwe Countries at high risk of government external debt crisis
■ Bhutan
■ Cape Verde
■ Dominica
■ Ethiopia
■ Ghana
■ Laos
■ Mauritania
■ Mongolia
■ Mozambique
■ Samoa
■ Sao Tome e Principe
■ Senegal
■ Tanzania
■ Uganda
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Perhaps someone should email this to Armstrong... I am thinking more about this Trump card. It appears to be a Trojan horse in disguise. Perhaps he has the backing of TPTB (Deep State). His program is essentially a dictatorship sold on the principle of expanding big business. He even wants involve oil companies with the military with his idea to drill out the oil in the middle east to defund ISIS! That is an increase in the power and collusion of the military-industrial complex. And then he has the mandate to take out the militias in terms of them being too extremist and anti-business. He is for national computer databases for example and a ban on assault weapons: http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Gun_Control.htmhttp://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/11/so-what-is-an-assault-rifle-really-we-look-at-the-definitions-and-how-the-term-is-demonized/http://www.ammoland.com/2015/07/donald-trump-talks-gun-control-assault-weapons-gun-free-zones(apparently he is not for a ban on AR-15 and he has apparently backed off his 2000 book's call for increased delays for obtaining guns) This would mean TPTB gave up on a confrontation with the militias and decided instead to go for a way to get their greater control by keeping America strong and continuing internal ratcheting up of control over freedoms for example with national databases. If true, this could be seen as a partial victory for the Americans, while still not totally satisfying for those who want to revert the march towards top-down control. This could help propel a very strong $USD. And thus we can see how Trump would fail! The strong $USD would kill the global economy and thus the USA economy. Any Trump election would probably end up being a disaster while in office, which while ramping up top-down control and disarming the militias, would set up the stage for a repulsion to "Republican" politics for 2020. Ah, so that is how Asia finally takes over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The USA would revert back to massively socialist in 2020 after a brief flirtation with a pseudo-libertarian-ism of Trump (who is really a top-down planner and debt fiend). Edit: Trump might not even realize he has become a TPTB favorite. Obviously they are allowing him to get air time. Maybe they are just sampling the political waters. Remember though, Trump can't reduce income taxes and do all these actions without a compliant Congress. I wonder if the 2016 elections can push Boehner out? Edit#2: the more capital rushing into the USA, the more the Fed will raise interest rates, yet higher interest rates will cause debt defaults and raise the cost of financing the USA debt. So Trump would throw fuel on the fire.
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MA thinks Trump has a lock and Hellary Slimeton is out: http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35702http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35741Let's remember that Trump is beholden to debt. But damn, Trump is correct on nearly every point! http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-trump-platform-because-i-said-so/2015/08/01/4684802c-36f7-11e5-9739-170df8af8eb9_story.htmlYes he can easily collect that money from Mexico by expropriating from funds remittances to the Mexico. Yes he can play hardball with China and China would have no choice but to capitulate, especially with his other ideas which would make the USA a growing, huge economy. Yes indeed by eliminating the corporate tax the USA would see such an influx of investment and capital that it would dwarf the 9% loss of revenue for the government. This is getting somewhat interesting. I will be paying attention while still holding on to my USA citizenship. I don't believe the USA can heal itself. But if OROBTC and someone like Trump can prove me wrong, that would be the best for the world. I just remember how Perot let me down when I worked so hard for his campaign in 1992. Ever since, I've hated politics and view it as a waste of effort. I doubt my experience will be any different this time. So why would I go for S.A. over USA? Because I am fiercely independent. I have more confidence in myself than any group. But if the USA reverted to the land of the free and the home of the brave (instead of the land of lard ass BigMac Go Big and the home of the dumber than "oh my god" Strip Mall), I would reconsider my position. Yet it seems Trump would be making it very very difficult to get a visa for a migrant to the USA? Or perhaps he will make it more meritocratic where any one can visit if they put up a bond.
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As it says in the Bible, eventually society will chip us. There is no escape. We are talking about where to live for the next couple of decades until this shit becomes a reality. Then I'll hopefully be dead. http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35714Brain Chip Implants
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I think a secondary residency is now my highest priority, they may start making it harder to get if they begin to detect a mass exodus from the west.
Residency is not the same as citizenship. Australia still controls you to some extent while you have only 1 passport. I suppose residency could give you some ability to resist for example if Australia canceled your passport, depending where that residency was, e.g. Brazil or Chile might protect you more than Philippines. Or did you mean 2nd citizenship? Please see my post in the MA thread about difference in cultures. I am trying to figure this out for my own goals as well.
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http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35707French Elite Say Either Germany Leaves the Euro or Economic Chaos is their Fate Reading the linked article translated in Google Chromium (Chrome on Linux) or just use translate.google.com, it is clear to me how the end game in EU will proceed. The only solution will ultimately be a monetary reset with a debt for equity swap. The EU nations will become states of the EU, with their fiscal deficits reset to tolerable levels after this reset and giving up both equity and sovereignty to their EU masters. So that the process of debt accumulation by the states can begin anew to work towards complete and total enslavement over the decades forward. The EU and Asia are extremely well positioned to fall into a Technocracy of control by the banksters and the new world order. The wildcards remain rural America, specifically some states of the USA, some states of Canada, and perhaps some pockets of South and Central America. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1049048.msg12068521#msg12068521https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1049048.msg11815282#msg11815282I can't see Greece or any other EU nation putting up any significant defense. The Europeans lost their testicles. It IS cultural, sorry to say. Please correct me if I am wrong ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) The Greeks and Italians will simply continue to cheat on the European taxes as much as they can. Their way of dealing with the problem is to ignore the government. Whereas, the Americans are more likely to defy their government openly and with heavily armed resistance. Australia is apparently too close to European (and Asian) in culture. That is why it is falling faster than the Americas to totalitarianism. The "Outback" Australians are a dying (outnumbered) culture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Australia![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fd%2Fde%2FAustralian_PR_COB_2006.PNG%2F600px-Australian_PR_COB_2006.PNG&t=665&c=a0DuaX8WGjOjrQ) | After the second war, 6.5 million migrants from 200 nations brought immense new diversity, and Australians grew increasingly aware of their proximity to Asia. Over time, the diverse food, lifestyle and cultural practices of immigrants have been absorbed into mainstream Australian culture.
The Australian colonies had a period of extensive multi-ethnic immigration during the Australian gold rushes of the latter half of the 19th century, but following Federation in 1901, the Parliament instigated the White Australia Policy that gave preference to British migrants and ensured that Australia remained a predominantly Anglo-Celtic society until well into the 20th Century. The post-World War II immigration program saw the policy dismantled by successive governments, permitting large numbers of Southern European, and later Asian and Middle Eastern migrants to arrive. The Menzies Government (1949-1966) and Holt Government dismantled the legal barriers to multi-ethnic immigration and by the 1970s, the Whitlam and Fraser Governments were promoting multiculturalism. | https://www.griffith.edu.au/international/life-in-australia/australian-culture-and-customsAustralians are generally laid-back, open and direct. They say what they mean and are generally more individual and outgoing than many other cultures.
You may think that most Australians live in the 'outback' out in the country. In fact, more than three quarters of Australians live in cities and in urban centres, mainly along the coast.
* Some key values that reflect the Australian way of life include: * Freedom of speech * Freedom of religion * Democracy * Equality regardless of sex, marital status, religion, nationality, disability or sexual preference * Peacefulness
A 'fair go' (equal opportunity) for all and support for the underdog.
In most practical ways, Australia is an egalitarian society in that there are no formal class distinctions. There is no segregation between people of different incomes or backgrounds and everyone is free to live where they like, attend university and follow whichever religion and occupation they choose.
What are Australians like?
In the workplace and among friends, Australians generally call each other by their first names. When meeting someone for the first time, it is usual to shake the person's right hand with your right hand. People who do not know each other generally do not kiss or hug when meeting. Australians show respect by looking people in the eye, however they don’t stand as close or have as much physical contact (such as hugs and kisses) as other cultures. You may find that your Australian friends have difficulty pronouncing your name, at first. Be patient and prepared that you may need to repeat your name or say it slowly at the beginning. As friendships develop, you may find that your friends give you a nickname, which is very common in Australia and is a form of endearment. http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/resources/global-etiquette/australia.htmlAussie Modesty
Australians are very down to earth and always mindful of not giving the impression that they think they are better than anyone else. They value authenticity, sincerity, and loathe pretentiousness. Australians prefer people who are modest, humble, self- deprecating and with a sense of humour. They do not draw attention to their academic or other achievements and tend to distrust people who do. They often downplay their own success, which may make them appear not to be achievement-oriented.
Mates
Australians place a high value on relationships. With a relatively small population, it is important to get along with everyone, since you never know when your paths may cross again. This leads to a win-win negotiating style, since having everyone come away with positive feelings helps facilitate future business dealings.
A Multi-Cultural Society
The initial population of Australia was made up of Aborigines and people of British and Irish descent. After World War II there was heavy migration from Europe, especially from Greece, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands, Yugoslavia, Lebanon, and Turkey. This was in response to the Australian policy of proactively trying to attract immigrants to boost the population and work force. In the last thirty years, Australia has liberalised its immigration policy and opened its borders to South East Asia. This has caused a real shift in self-perception as Aussies begin to re-define themselves as a multi-cultural and multi-faith society rather then the old homogenous, white, Anglo- Saxon, Protestant nation.
Australian Etiquette & Customs
Meeting Etiquette
Australians are not very formal so greetings are casual and relaxed.
A handshake and smile suffices. While an Australian may say, 'G'day' or 'G'day, mate', this may sound patronizing from a foreigner. Visitors should simply say, 'Hello' or 'Hello, how are you?' Aussies prefer to use first names, even at the initial meeting
Negotiating and Decision Making
Australians get down to business quickly with a minimum amount of small talk. They are quite direct and expect the same in return. They appreciate brevity and are not impressed by too much detail. Negotiations proceed quickly. Bargaining is not customary. They will expect your initial proposal to have only a small margin for negotiation. They do not like high-pressure techniques. Decision-making is concentrated at the top of the company, although decisions are made after consultation with subordinates, which can make decision making slow and protracted. In the European's mind, America is a violent place. It is a melting pot including some predominance of cultures that have historically fought back and fiercely independent and isolationist, e.g. Pilgrims, African slaves, North American tribes, Central American tribes, South American tribes. So it seems to me the Americas will be more independent and isolationist. Not necessarily "safer", depending on what it means to you to be "safe". Perhaps one reason I am more compatible with filipinos is their historically fierce tribes and thus their independence and desire to do what they damn well please. They also have a trait of being informal, friendly, and happy go lucky, which is something both Americans and Australians appreciate about each other. I am drawn to Argentina because you can do what you damn well please to a large extent (with some problematic exceptions such as no carry of firearms and difficulty importing goods). Argentina is a mix of Italian (ignore the government, make the government corrupt) and American culture (fiercely independent). Then you have this large land area and relatively small population concentrated in the cities. Australians, Asians, and Europeans will prefer a "peaceful" resolution that respects multiculturalism (and subjugation of the individual for the group). Whereas, the Americans will prefer strife and holding their ground on their right to their individuality. You can clearly see that distinction in my combative, noisy, attitude right? ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) You can see it in OROBTC's determination to keep his guns. I am not saying one strategy is better than the other. I have not yet been able to formulate a coherent analysis of how these differences will play out in terms of on-the-ground effects for residents.
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trollercoaster, if you want a really cheap place to stay, I have an extra rental I am not using that has 2 very small bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, a nice kitchen, living room, washing machine, sofas, a car park and a large lot up in the hills in a subdivision near Mintal. It is not as modern as the one in the photo, but I only pay P5000 ($111) monthly. I had rented it to put all my junk in it (and if my kids came back to Philippines but they are not coming), but I am planning to give it up in 1.5 more months. You can get a PLDT landline and internet installed there. I inquired.
You can take this from me if you want. No deposit required!
I have another low-quality "chicken shack" rental house up near that one which I am keeping (P3500 monthly) because I have a Globe landline and internet there which I need (faster than PLDT and doesn't block Bitmessage ports).
That is a very cheap way to get started. You are right next to the park with a basketball court and big grass field to play with your kids.
The neighbor there has some noisy roosters. But you can try to convince him to remove them with a little bit of cash perhaps. Nice climate up there, cooler and breezier. You'd need to buy an aircon. I have electric fans there. There are always taxis available there. Adds about 15 minutes to your travel to downtown.
It is not the nicest house, but it is decent enough so you could take your time looking around at other choices.
If anyone else wants this house before I give it up, let me know. It is not easy to find this sort of deal. I found it by driving around the various subdivisions. You wouldn't find it advertised on the internet.
If I take off to S.A. next year and you stay in Philippines, you could get a great deal on my Isuzu Crosswind diesel SUV. Dark tint, strong aircon and motor. Interior is still like new. Exterior is a bit dinged up (I don't care what my car looks like as long as it works well and is comfortable inside).
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TBTB, what is your opinion about Canada as an exit possibility ?
My experience and knowledge of Canada is limited. My mother lives in Bellingham, Washingston State and I was there in the mid-1990s and did take one trip over the Vancouver. There has been mass migration of whites from California and else where up to the Washington and recently Canada stopped its economic citizenship program for Chinese because there were so many who availed of it. Vancouver is probably highly Chinese by now. From what I've read, seems that Canadian government is hands off to large extent and the people are more self-reliant outside the cities. We can still say that perhaps about some rural communities in the USA as well, particularly some in West Texas I visited in 2002 and again 2006 (the last time I was in North America). Personally I am not interested at all in Canada because I vehemently hate cold weather. I can jog in the blistering tropical heat at noon in the Philippines. I grew up in New Orleans in the Deep South. I've lived most of the past 25 years near the equator here in Mindanao. But if snow and ice are your cup of tea (and especially with a Little Ice Age coming starting 2030 according to scientists, but cooling to worsen 2020+), then it seems to me that Canada offers frontiers to get off the beaten path should it become necessary. I just can't see myself taking off on horseback or foot in the winter into northern Canada. Brrrr. In terms of being far from war it is probably okay especially if you head north but it gets colder. Note the proximity to all the nuclear reactors in the USA: Another thing to look out for is where the nuclear plants are located. Believe me following the 1/r^2 rule, you need to be as far as possible. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnuclearinfo.net%2Ftwiki%2Fpub%2FNuclearpower%2FCurrentReactors%2Fworld_map.png&t=665&c=ssZ_iLgvUmGnzw) That Bataan red dot in the Philippines is for a plant that was never operated. I don't even know if there is any nuclear fuel stored there. I just read today that Argentina has nuclear plants. In terms of taxation and State cooperation with the G20 enslavement plans, I would expect Canada to be compliant because the populations are concentrated in the cities and are very socialist. In my way of thinking about priorities to be prepared against potential mad max or F.U.B.A.R. outcomes, the main impact of that implication is that you are holding a 5 Eyes passport and thus your option to travel internationally might be more curtailed. Also your options to do cross border travel clandestinely is limited to crossing the USA border. For me, I am looking a S.A. because there are many borders to cross on horseback and even a wide open Pacific ocean with a huge coastline running from the equator down to Antarctica with habitable islands out there. You've got that a little bit in West Canada, but the brutal cold and Bering Sea and Alaska is not Canada. If you are good with survival techniques in the snow, then maybe that is for you. Taxes are I assume high in Canada to pay for all the social welfare. I didn't check. No tax holiday for new residents I assume (e.g. you have massive capital gains in Bitcoin in 2017 and want to cash some out officially to justify your lifestyle to the authorities). I believe Canada allows rural residents to carry guns, but I don't know about any restrictions. I am ignorant about guns (had a BB gun as a child). My limited reading recently seems to indicate that the best weapon for combat is an AR-15: http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2014/11/bugging-out-ar15-vs-lever-action-rifle.htmlPerhaps OROBTC can comment since he has apparently more experience with guns. Canada has restricted them except attitudes seem to be more favorable in Alberta and Saskatchewan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15#CanadaAgain we have another example of how much more totalitarian Australia is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15#AustraliaPerhaps it is the British influence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15#United_KingdomIn Argentina, you can only get a license for an AR-15 with a non-detachable magazine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#ArgentinaI suppose it might be possible to have a gun with an exchangeable lower and keep a detachable magazine in at all times, and be prepared to swap upon any inspections. That would be illegal of course if you got caught. With a large land area and perimeter warning systems, you could probably insure you can make the swap in time, but then you've got to be sure you can conceal the other lower. Also it is nearly impossible to a carry permit (outside your ranch) in Argentina unless you are a hired security guard. So if you want security when driving to town, you'd need to hire a professional. But in crisis situations, the police look the other way: https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=10&f=17&t=670389I think the above images raise an interesting point-of-view, which is that communities which are accustomed to being self-reliant are more able to deal with extreme situations than communities which have become totally reliant on the government. So if you are apparently Alberta and Saskatchewan fit that profile. West Texas and Montana probably fits that profile. Appears from the Wikipedia page that Chile and nearly all of Asia except the Philippines are very restrictive against gun ownership. Looking at the following Comparison table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Comparisonit is interesting to note how the USA stands out as the gun owners freedom capital of the world. So where do you think TPTB will have to apply the most devasting destruction in order to achieve their new world order hegemony?Majority of the ideological, constitutional gun fanatics are concentrated in the USA. Sure lots of drug guns in Latin America, but those are essentially a boost for TPTB by sending the passive population into the protection of the government. MA's models predict a breakup of the USA into regions. Will TPTB back down and declare defeat against the ideological, constitutional gun fanatics are concentrated in the USA? They are smart enough not to fight the strength of the militias. I speculated upthread that they will use divide-and-conquer strategies. Would they go as far as limited nuclear war or allowing nuclear plants to fail in order to make life hell for the militias? I have just have this gut feeling that the USA is a focal point and some not nice things need to happen there. Why did the Bush family buy a bugout ranch in Paraguay? I could end up being wrong about the USA, but it is impossible to deny that the strongest constitutional fight remains in the USA. The counter argument is TPTB will go after the lowest hanging fruit first and thus not engage the militias. They did back off at Bundy Ranch for the time being, although Bundy was defeated since then on relevant NV legislation. If I could be assured of being able to travel internationally to and from the USA, I might be interested to go back there and explore the coming battle. But at this point in my life, I want to be able to travel and experience new adventures and cultures. I am concerned that the USA citizenship is going to end up a trap where you can't easily get out after the SHTF 2018ish. And I am concerned that TPTB are going to dump a shit load of infrastructure and environmental degradation on the USA to try to break it. They won't want to destroy their industrial assets, rather just make life a slow grinding prison-planet hell for those who resist their rule. P.S. Estonia and Russia appear to have lax firearm rules, if those cultures and environments are your cup of tea. Rpietila's castle is in Estonia, so you could hook up with him.
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trollercoaster, if you and your wife are not working in Australia, or the amount you are earning is just enough to cover high cost of renting there, and assuming your kids are not yet in elementary school, then perhaps you might want to consider coming to live in the Philippines for the next 6 months to a year in order to lower your expenses. I rent in a gated subdivision with very high class homes, nice sidewalks, and not too many people roaming about, a 4 bedroom house with 2 bathrooms, fully furnished with airconditioning and a decent kitchen for P15,000 monthly, i.e. $333 per month. My monthly electric bill is roughly $50. My monthly internet bill at this location is $40. Taxis are readily available at the subdivision entrance and roughly $3 - $5 each direction to go any where in city. You'd be bored if you didn't have something to do with yourself on the internet or computer. Your wife might revert to filipino habits. But you could probably tolerate it for up to year, as long as you can have an agreement that no relatives can live in your house (try to live on a different island from the relatives). Note Cebu and other cities are more expensive than Davao. And I shopped around for best price. You might pay $400 for what I have. There are other houses available in the subdivision where I am. Thus you can see why it doesn't make financial sense for me to move from the Philippines until I am earning an income again. Even Ecuador is more expensive and I don't have a car there. Again I would not suggest doing this if your kids are already in school, unless you want to live in Bagiuo and send them to Brent private school. Tuition roughly $4000 - $8000 yearly per child. That is a good school. I had my kids there for one year in 2003-4, and they were doing well. Unfortunately I couldn't maintain the cost along with the higher cost of living there (and family leeches) and my SUV was in Mindanao. Baguio has very cold weather during winter time. Rest of the year it can have torrential rain when typhoons pass near the Philippines. Also it is getting overcrowded. Again western quality education is very difficult to locate in the Philippines. Perhaps Siliman in Dumaguette if you want a provincial environment, but actually it still sucks. I spoke to the principal there trying to find a better place for my kids back in the 2007 - 2009 timeframe. Cebu maybe has reasonable schools but a very urban environment and still too much dose of filipino culture. I'd say Brent or nevermind. St. Paul in Davao is reasonable (unfortunately I discovered it too late and it was only recently built). They have good facilities and a small school approach. But still they will expose your kids to too much filipino culture nonsense. It might be acceptable for one year only if the lower elementary grades such as Kinder and 1st. Tuition roughly $1000 yearly per child. It says college but it is really elementary and high school (you know the Philippines and their lack of precision ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) ) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.ph.ippstatic.com%2Fpix%2F22125-3.jpg&t=665&c=rScjwhvyOOhluQ) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmw2.google.com%2Fmw-panoramio%2Fphotos%2Fmedium%2F20485531.jpg&t=665&c=KGpEWM9vSGnkWA) It is located along the Ma-a Riverwalk commercial development: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.markmaranga.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F05%2FLisa-on-the-way-to-Walk-n-Water-Ball-Park.jpg&t=665&c=EarlLigjNgsWww) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wayph.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F05%2FDavao-Crocodile-Park-5-600x397.jpg&t=665&c=YSJq0fYR9-6VUg) Again they can give you 6 months extensions now so it can pretty hassle free. Do not buy a car. When you sell you will lose several $1000s. Or if you do buy, buy the cheapest junk you can tolerate given you don't plan to stay a long time. I bought my SUV new in 2003 and it is still is reasonably good condition. P.S. Another reason I disfavored Peru, is I read they had a lot of corrupt police and so many checkpoints along the roads in Peru.
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Chile looks to be about 3 - 4X more expensive than Ecuador, and here you can see in one of the pics your neighbor is displaying the flag of Texas, lol: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/2175939?s=89pbThus clearly many foreigners going for the Chile option. Again prices will decline next year and every year until 2020 at least, so renting is a better option short-term. Ecuador presents another opportunity. Put $25,000 in a bank account there (or spend it on land), and you can get permanent residency. Also this accrues towards citizenship. Ecuador is probably safer than Argentina. It is much more socialist and probably do not want to become a citizen there. But in terms of a short-term residency while waiting out the options for citizenship that might work for me. Especially filipinas can fly visa-free to Ecuador (and not to Chile, Argentina, and Paraguay). I'd prefer to buy citizenship outright from Dominica or St. Kitts, than to take Paraguay citizenship. Thus I might just be looking at a waiting period. I could wait out in the Philippines where I am already set up with a car and much lower expenses than even Ecuador. The only worry is getting trapped over here. As we move into the crazies. But I am probably overreacting and probably could make it through much of 2016 before needing to leave Philippines. That would give me more time to code uninterrupted.
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Chile is another interesting option. I think we are looking realistically not at a perfect set of choices, thus we must select the least worst. It is possible to stay in Chile as a tourist for 180 days a year. And foreigners can own land. The land is more expensive than on the other side of the Andes, but it is more of a first world country (but not entirely). Chile does have more risk of earthquakes, volcanos, and La Nina or El Nino excessive rainfall, thus mudslides or drought similar to California. But if one is looking for a step up in terms of modern and more well functioning government, than Chile offers a middle choice. Also I read that if one prefers residency then it is really easy to obtain if you can prove you have sufficient income/funds and that new residents get a 3 year tax holiday on worldwide income. So this provides an option to live for 3 years without taking citizenship, then you could abandon residency after that. http://allchile.net/chileforum/viewtopic.php?t=9214http://ultimateguidetochile.com/expat/the-retirement-and-periodic-income-visa-a-step-by-step-guide-to-permanent-residency/http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/great-residency-loophole-10944/Also even if you do get citizenship in say Paraguay or Uruguay, you have no guarantee that these nations won't in the future tax worldwide income. The tax on $100,000 of income in Chile is 15.2%, although one can wonder if it will go higher when the global contagion hits because Chile is somewhat dependent on the copper exports. Also we have to assume the world axis powers are going to within a decade or two succeed in creating some sort of worldwide tax. So any solution on tax is temporary. We will have needed to be well entrenched in an anonymous Knowledge Age by then. It seems most important to have a 2nd citizenship option and thus the freedom to travel in this upcoming economic totalitarianism smashup. I don't want to be carrying only a 5 Eyes or EU country passport going into this chaos. I don't really like the idea of reporting a birth in a S.A. country if I don't need to. You will learn that children and official marriage is one way the State can emasculate and control you. For me, it seems the most workable plan will be to apply for residency in Paraguay to get the ball rolling on citizenship there. Then I can live on tourist visas where ever I want being careful not to form a residency by physical presence test else where, e.g. Chile, Argentina, and perhaps even forays to SE Asia and Australia/NZ. Or I could instead locate myself near to Paraguay so I can readily proceed there to renounce US citizenship at any time, while working in the meantime on accumulating more capital to consider purchasing for example Dominica citizenship. So residency instead of tourist could be an option in Chile with this strategy. Although the Philippines did ratify the UN Convention on Stateless Persons in 2011, I wouldn't want to become stateless here. As I said, Asia is a top-down run "taipan" model and Asians are obedient slaves. And to travel from Philippines not by commercial airline would be somewhat treacherous. At least in S.A., one can head many directions on foot or horseback if need be. I like a strategy with multiple options so it is a buyers market (I can pick and choose and play the different options). Thoughts? P.S. For the first time, I actually had to put someone on ignore. It is against my ethics, but really I don't have the time and my eyes can benefit from less clutter. Sorry. I just can't have further discussions (even after we've all hinted to him to stop doing that hypertheoretical ideological babble in this thread) with a person who lives only in ideological philosophy. I wonder who pays for his food ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) Probably the socialist EU. Also I sense he is stalking me.
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I believe God gave me the abilities I have for a reason. If that reason is to serve a Babylon that could be eliminated if would ascribe to an Eden where I forsaked the abilities God gave me and live in a utopia where there is no challenge, then I'd be bored out of my fucking mind.
So thus I conclude I am destined to my destiny. You somehow think we can just skip some steps and arrive at the end game of infinite entropy = 0 entropy, i.e. where we are all back as one with God and can't be distinguished any more.
I rather think God fancies a toy simulation he can watch, sort of like when I was playing with trains and erector sets in my youth.
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I have refrained from real estate because of the noosebleed prices here, so I am not bogged down in one place.
I think I will begin looking into small coastal villages far away from any of the major cities, and a secondary citizenship.
Yeah minimize expenses for a year or two perhaps, so you can try to pour as much money as possible into gold and/or crypto at the coming low in Spring 2016. I don't know how such a move affects your income. For second citizenship, the least expensive but slow way is probably Paraguay. Or you can just travel to S.A. and have your wife deliver another child there, then you both will become citizens. Again Paraguay and Uruguay are the two countries that don't tax worldwide income. Note all S.A. countries require mandatory military service on your child when he/she is 18 if your child is born in S.A.. Also apparently it is difficult to renounce Argentine citizenship (and perhaps also the others but Brazil seemed to be easier). Moving to Pitcairn Island is another way to get 2nd citizenship with no taxes. Also any island in French Polynesia. For $200,000+ it is possible to buy citizenship from Dominica. The Paraguay citizenship without the delivery of a child there, will take more than 3 years but you won't need to reside there the entire time, just nearer to the end of the 3 year wait, you need to establish a business there and pay some local taxes to show you are sincere about citizenship. And need to learn fluent Spanish. The bearing a child option may be more practical given the urgency we face. For me, I could just renounce for example in Paraguay or Uruguay and become stateless if I was in a rush. Then wait the 3 years to become a citizen. Australians can't renounce until they have 2nd citizenship, thus you need to move faster to a solution. Note Uruguay apparently only awards citizenship to married foreign couples so thus it is a non-option for me. I refuse to marry again (and I can't now as I am just separated and no divorce yet). I've been looking for example at land for sale in Argentina. It ranges from as low as $400 per acre ($1000 per ha) for forested ranches > 1000 acres. Note there is a limit on land ownership for a foreigner of 2500 acres except in certain mountainous zones. At the 250 acres range, the prices jump to $1000 per acre. At 15 acres, the prices increase to $4000 per acre (ha = 2.47 acre). There is less expensive land in Paraguay, but apparently rebels have more political clout in Paraguay and Bush family bought huge tracts of land in Paraguay, so something smells fishy and risky to me. Prices will likely decline further as the world's demand for commodities declines in the contagion starting in October. The productive land is much more expensive than the land that is forested, thus clearly land prices are tied to world commodity markets. Thus it is economically beneficial to purchase a land as a group and then subdivide it so as to economize cost and also to have like minded neighbors to gain economy-of-scale on security. Any way, I think the threat of crime is nil on these rural areas assuming one institutes basic security such as perimeter warning systems and sufficient males with guns in the community. That is the reason for banding together. I really think some of us should pool our resources if we are in agreement. S.A. just seems so much more realistic from a cost and tax and inept government perspective. But then again, maybe renting and staying in a first world country is smarter. It is difficult to ascertain that yet, so that is why having both options is best. Uruguay has visa-free entry into Australia and NZ. But even as a Paraguay citizen, if one has sufficient wealth, they can still get a tourist visa for Australia and NZ. Your reaction? Thoughts from others? So my thinking is to remain flexible and to jettison my USA citizenship before the USA declares a state of war officially perhaps in 2018 and thus making renounciation impossible per the US Title code I quoted upthread. Hellary Slimeton rigged election dictatorship will lock the doors and throw away the keys. USA patriots will be stuck there in the land of 1000 paper cuts and 50 nuclear reactors, and potentially fighting the Chinese and Russians on USA soil. I don't know what is going to happen to the USA, but I don't want to be there (nor be forced home by a canceled passport) to find out. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthstreammedia.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2FBiodiversity-Mapagenda21.jpg&t=665&c=-1u4S-dLKjyeOw) Queensland is the biggest police state of all here, so I will probably head more towards South West/gulf area of OZ.
Yeah I got that impression just from reading the different requirements for home schooling for different states (provinces) of Australia. Wouldn't that also include NSW and Victoria as I hear Sydney and the Gold Coast are the worst and most expensive? You mentioned upthread about filipinos being eligible for certain S.A citizenships?
They have recently changed the rules for tourist visas here, but increased the bond requirement for "high risk" tourists, my wife would know more about this & i'll ask her
I would be very grateful if you could share this information with me asap. I may need to go to Australia for a fecal transplant and I'd really prefer to not go alone. Every cent I have been forced to put towards my retirement is likely going to evaporate, it took a huge hit in 07 and I cannot access it to prevent it's theft ( the government secured our super for themselves to rape and steal )
So I am serious about making the most out of this collapse as I possibly can.
Is there no clever way you can transfer your retirement into for example a gold investment (at $700) and then extract gains? In the USA, there are custodian IRAs are something like that where you can invest in alternative assets. And also penalty fees for taking early dispersements, but you can at least do it.
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username18333 argues that knowledge creation is merely an illusion to support the existence of wealth. I agree.
Well the prior posts I explained that existence is an illusion that requires friction.
So he can have his illusion by removing his body thus for his "soul" from that point forward past = present = future.
And we can have our illusion with our bodies, friction, reputation, wealth, family, production, competition, etc..
To each his own to choose.
If there is a God, he created us this way so we'd exist this way. I am following the plan here for the limited duration it lasts for me.
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You've made no argument. Do it again, and I will ignore.
(that people ascribe to a tangible reality is our choice. You can remove your body if you wish. We are not arguing your freedom to do that. We won't follow you. Address our world or we will ignore you. I don't speak for everyone, but I am confident I speak for the majority. At least we want reputation and social interaction as a minimum reward for production. Sounds to me like your life's reward is sitting alone reading books. I understand the Bible talks about forsaking the body and the wants of the tangible world and producing for nothing but the cause of spreading the word. How will we get people to work on knowledge where nearly no one interacts with them because the topic area is so narrow? Should we forsake that and the Second Law of Thermodynamics...well we can't...the Bible apparently has an error...without friction there can't be existence because the speed-of-light would be infinite and the past and present and the future would be same thus no change and no existence...you ascribe to destroy existence by destroying tangible friction... rather I choose to continue the progression towards maximum entropy in which of course the information moves to the small and out of the top-down macro...)
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You are noisy. Filters applied.
(You should rather censor dissent than reconcile your beliefs thereto? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) ) No one is censoring you. We read. But we will ignore when it is too redundant or not adding to the aims of the thread. I am debating you on the theoretical economics over in the Martin Armstrong thread and I think it belongs over there because he is a macro economists guy. Or in the Economic Devastation thread. In this thread, per OROBTC's request, we should strive for ideas about practical solutions not ideological fancy. I am seriously considering moving to a more sparsely populated area of the world.
…I have two words: Predator drones.
Caves. Anti-drone technology such as EMI disruption, etc. Knowledge Age such that TPTB do not know whom to attack. They can just kill everyone then. Not very realistic for them though. Look if even a 1000 of us are organized and anonymous, we can decide to get pissed off and make a direct attack on Obummer command & control locations. These bastards need to remember the knowledge creation advantage resides with the people and knowledge will be the greatest weapon.
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