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61  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 18, 2017, 11:14:54 PM
What if there are many properties like this - if cryptocurrency speculation is in a bear market and people want to sell all tokens, will REAL be caught bare handed - like EDL2016's fears as mentioned above, collapse with investors money? What steps are taken to protect REAL investors from a volatile cryptocurrency market, which is an added risk to traditional real estate investing?


I think this is where the floor price comes in. These tokens will bring dividends based on the rent. So the price of the tokens naturally should always be higher than the dividends x duration of time.
As an example if you get 5 cents for every dollar invested in a building, then it makes sense of the price of the token to at least that. That means if you buy the token for 5 cents then you will break even in 1 year, ignoring all the fees.

Yes that is why we believe once there are 20 properties paying dividends to X thousand users, the Token value will be pretty stable.

Melissa
62  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 18, 2017, 10:19:39 PM
Hi!

i: I am not sure it exists or not for new companies, all I am saying is I do not understand why would anyone purchase it or request it being a new company. You can check it is incorporated. Perhaps you can explain me why would you want to see that. Also if you buy it and send us or publish here we can discount it from your contribution on the token sale. We want to be focused on the important issues.

ii: No, Token holders will not be involved in that. That will be the company. Token holders will just receive more profits so the company will make more fees.

iii: I do not know the answer. Perhaps other Cryptocurrencies.


Because it would show that you are transparent and accountable. Because it is free for you to obtain and will take only a few minutes. It's not a deal breaker. It's just a token of trust for me.
I wanted to know what will be the ROI implications for the investors. If 25% of a building is bought with a mortgage, then REAL token holders could only invest in the other 75% of the building? 25% of the rent generated will be paid to the company or to the investors?
So you would agree that apart from cryprocurrencies there are no other real world examples of this phenomena?

Cheers


1) I hope you are satisfied with this. https://www.dropbox.com/s/lkg53nzzu5kins9/Email%20notification-COI%20%282%29.pdf?dl=0 
You are free to ask whatever additional document in the registry.

2) Correct, if we ask for 25% mortgage, investors only invest 75% of the property, pay its interests but keep 100% of the returns.

3) Cryptocurrency world is quite unique but I am a marketing person that does not know everything.


63  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 18, 2017, 03:42:46 PM

Thanks for your nice response and words.

Insure was referred to the invested property, to cover losses in case of fire for example.

We will work hard to publish and share the concerning information next week to help clarify info.

Melissa
64  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 18, 2017, 03:40:13 PM

Big news for our contributors !!

We are lowering our soft and hard cap by 50% !!

https://medium.com/@real_token/we-are-lowering-our-target-caps-a79272ed1166

65  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 18, 2017, 02:03:47 PM
Hi Melissa,

Appreciate the active responses from the REAL team.

I have a few queries -

1) As of now what's available to the public and potential investors is the website, and few details of the members of the team. There's a 5 year operational fund plan that has been shown in the white paper, but no business plan. The company is hardly a couple of months old - and there aren't clear timeline goals given. After the ICO, within how much time can investors expect rental income, for instance?

2) Depending on where the REAL team plans on acquiring properties -there are going to be a lot of macroeconomic factors in play - since we are talking mid - long term investments. From what I understand a good portion of the team is from Spain, so naturally there would be inclination to invest in a comfort zone / known area. However how is the team going to ensure investments are going to be in areas where demand outstrips supply, to ensure capital gains mid to long term?

3) As I understand there's an agreement with a hotel chain, are agreements going to be presented to investors? How do investors know agreements are negotiated favourably for the investor - a hypothetical situation is there's a renter, a broker and an investor, the broker may give favourable terms in comparison to the local market to the renter and take a cut in the savings to the renter (say 20%), at the same time take 10% from the investor from the rent - how is it that fair play ensured?

4) As a potential investor my question is simple - why should I not invest in a local rental property and invest in REAL; other than the fact that with REAL I can invest a minimal sum that may not be the complete value of a property? If I can afford to invest in whole properties myself - what is the attraction of REAL to me? Am I not a target audience for REAL?

Is the REAL model tuned only to people who cannot afford to invest in complete properties themselves?

5) Another concern is REAL seeks a 400K ether hard cap invest (120 million US$ today approx) if REAL would assure potential investors that capital losses would be on REAL's account then I understand that some risk is going to be absorbed by REAL and that is a benefit to investors - otherwise REAL doesn't possess much risk since investments are made with OPM (other people's money) and at most the lose the profits they could have gained.

How can you allay this concern of investors - that REAL's risk in all of this is highly limited?


Hi!

1- We will be publishing a roadmap next week. We will go live in November and our first dividends will come in December
2- We will actively look for macroeconomic trends and opportunity markets. We will also share a post on that next week.
3- Smart contracts will record all steps and documents. We will also get a tier 1 audit firm. Finally, one should judge the team and previous track-record.
4- The benefits of crowdfunding would allow someone like you to diversify. Instead of having one asset you could have participation of 10-50 assets.
5- An update coming today about the soft-hard cap. A user can loose its tokens as maximum losses. And REAL can loose all the investment as maximum loss, but we will invest in non-risky areas and always use an insurance company.

66  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 18, 2017, 01:56:37 PM

Welcome to Bitcointalk, I see you are a new user and this is your third post.

We disagree on the various things you mentioned. But somehow I suspect you do not care about my answers anyway.

Just to make it clear:

-Leveraging investments with bank financing is always interesting. It is already done by many real estate crowdfunding platforms. It increases all investors income. Banks will happily lend 50% of purchase value to the company who will put the other 50%. There is not any problem as you suggest. Check this as an example and see how they are having a mortgage.

https://www.housers.com/en/projects/121/loan-opportunity-high-ponzaning-in-madrid-spain-housers/financial-information?s=361

-Our team comprises of experienced entrepreneurs in Real Estate, we have two advisors who have been investing in Real Estate institutionally for the last 20 years with great results.

-We have no problem in uploading our company documents. Check the ACRA incorporation mail here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lkg53nzzu5kins9/Email%20notification-COI%20%282%29.pdf?dl=0
 
We just were saying it did not make sense to ask for a certificate of good standing as it is a new company.

Best,

Melissa
67  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 18, 2017, 12:06:28 PM
A very interesting project making use of blockchain in real estate ventures.A quick question, how do you intend overcoming the various laws governing real estate ventures in various jurisdictions so as to make the project successful no matter how hostile a place is to cryptocurrencies?

We will act as a fund, meaning we will just buy the properties with our company, and then distribute the dividends to our users.
68  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 18, 2017, 11:56:57 AM
Thank you for your answers.

-Company is 2 months old, there has not been any fillings so far. - Are you saying the Certificate of Good Standing does not exists, because the website is offering me to buy it. Also the Register of Members is available for purchase.
-To maximize returns. We invest 50% of capital but get 100% of returns. We double the returns and it is worth it even paying the bank interests. - So if a property is bought 50% capital and 50% loans then how does this affect REAL tokens holders? The loan would be a liability in your accounts for which the bank must receive a monthly payment I assume. Will the REAL token holders be involved in this. Please clarify.
-I did not understand the question - REAL tokens will increase in value mostly because of its speculative nature. But the dividends payouts will stay mostly fixed. During the pre-sale 1 REAL token would cost around 1USD. Hypothetically the price could increase tenfold to 10USD in the future, but the payouts from rent would stay roughly the same. I am asking if there was or there is another asset that carries the same characteristics.

Hi!

i: I am not sure it exists or not for new companies, all I am saying is I do not understand why would anyone purchase it or request it being a new company. You can check it is incorporated. Perhaps you can explain me why would you want to see that. Also if you buy it and send us or publish here we can discount it from your contribution on the token sale. We want to be focused on the important issues.

ii: No, Token holders will not be involved in that. That will be the company. Token holders will just receive more profits so the company will make more fees.

iii: I do not know the answer. Perhaps other Cryptocurrencies.
69  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 17, 2017, 05:40:49 PM
These are good news. Tokens will be listed for trading on other stock exchages? Which exchanges are planned?


yes! We are told we can not disclosure while in negotiations. But it is easy, they are the famous ones Smiley
70  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 17, 2017, 04:55:45 PM


We are proud to announce our first Exchange partnership https://medium.com/@real_token/our-first-exchange-partnership-fc0ea3961736
71  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 17, 2017, 04:49:36 PM
I spent some time last night reading your Whitepaper and have some questions:

You say that 350K USD have already been invested. These were invested when the company was incorporated in Singapore, right?
Can you please provide the Certificate of Good Standing from Accounting and Corporate Regulatory Authority ACRA - this should be free for company members.
Tokens for economic rights - I want to know how are these rights enforced in case of a breach of contract. Will there be a contract between the investor and your company?
We are targeting 12-20% annual returns depending on the type of asset and market risk - Can you please confirm if this example is correct: If a property is bought for 1 million USD and I invest 100,000 REAL tokens then I will be receiving a monthly dividend of 10% (minus 10% fee) of the monthly rent.
Why are you using mortgages and loans to acquire properties? Isn't it better to pay them in full with the investment money, so you don't pay interest to the banks?
We expect that as our site becomes popular, and as our users start receiving regular income and profits on a monthly basis, they will want to acquire more REAL Tokens in order to invest in more Real Estate assets. This will cause the REAL Token to grow in value and price. - Can you give an example of another market where this is possible? – Buy assets that are increasing in value, but with fixed dividends payouts.
In the rare case of losses the REAL fee won’t be applied and the user will lose some of his invested Tokens. User won’t ever lose more than his invested Tokens. - Can you clarify this point please. If my REAL tokens investment in a building is 10% of the total price and you sell that building at a loss, then I will receive my tokens back minus 10%? Is it possible that a user can lose all of his invested token in a building?
The Reserve will not be accessed for a minimum of 4 quarters (12 months), and will be re-locked or burned – Who decides that? You or investors by voting?
Is the floor price same as average annual returns?
Thank you.

Thanks for your interest

-They have been invested during the last four months.
-Company is 2 months old, there has not been any fillings so far.

-We will make our Smart contracts legally binding contracts.
-Yes your example is correct.
-To maximize returns. We invest 50% of capital but get 100% of returns. We double the returns and it is worth it even paying the bank interests.
-I did not understand the question
-User can loose his tokens yes if the investment is 100% lost which would be extremely difficult as we would always buy in non-risk places and have insurances.
-Company decides about reserve and strategy.
72  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [QUICK - EASY BOUNTY] JUST TELEGRAM AND SLACK REGISTER on: August 17, 2017, 03:35:49 PM
thanks for joining

here is updated spreadsheet with participants so far

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rsFCLia7qpS1LHcPVdzdMzH0QODN9nvUJMToiYafiXM/edit#gid=908442892

Still open!!
73  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY]100.000 USD[ICO] REAL - Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether - August 31st on: August 17, 2017, 03:29:22 PM
Spreadsheet updated!  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_Ozxkj3WitAiwocvD_o-tscCwT5o_Wn9mAcbv_qcBkQ/edit?ts=59959680#gid=57277111
74  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 17, 2017, 09:04:01 AM

Only 2000 views, you should try targeting bigger news outlets, like techcrunch. If this will be big, think big! Cheesy

The journalist contacted us!

We are getting contacted by more and more journalists now.
75  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [QUICK - EASY BOUNTY] JUST TELEGRAM AND SLACK REGISTER on: August 16, 2017, 09:18:37 PM
thanks for the support i will publish spreadsheet with all contributors.
76  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [QUICK - EASY BOUNTY] JUST TELEGRAM AND SLACK REGISTER on: August 16, 2017, 07:59:14 PM
please more detail. how much stakes do we earn a day by joining your group chat?
i have joined both group chat.
what wallet do you use?

No stakes just token total.
77  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / [QUICK BOUNTY] Telegram on: August 16, 2017, 04:06:12 PM
Send reports !

Melissa
78  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 16, 2017, 03:13:52 PM
More and more coverage!

https://coinjournal.net/real-announces-blockchain-crowdfunding-platform-real-estate-investment/

79  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 16, 2017, 01:23:19 PM
Would you launch with a secondary marketplace up already? That would be really interesting.

Yes we will.

We will also announce our first exchange integration shortly.

Melissa
80  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] REAL [ICO] Invest in Real Estate, Earn Ether [AUGUST TOKEN SALE] on: August 16, 2017, 01:03:08 PM
We just uploaded a FAQ on our Token Sale

https://medium.com/@real_token/real-token-sale-faq-fa1fa574fba2
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