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61  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 5 DAYS LEFT on: August 19, 2014, 05:05:36 AM
after the fiasco that was syscoin
how you can reassure your investors
1 you havent overpriced the ICO
2 your coin works as you say and what features are live at launch

1. this is exactly the reason why we decided to destroy half of the ICO coins leaving only 3,500,000 CLSTR
2. project timeline is available at http://clustercoin.org
62  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 17, 2014, 10:24:51 PM
Block confirmation time across clusters shouldn’t be compared with bitcoin block confirmation time, as within a cluster transactions will flow quickly regardless of this time. Transferring funds across clusters might take longer, but we don’t see this as a problem.  Current financial system works in a similar vein and we used it as a model for ClusterCoin.  Analog of a cluster would be a network of local banks (local payments are processed by local banks with a prompt transaction); across cluster transactions (served by sync blocks) correspond to SWIFT transactions.
Regarding fork risk of sync blocks – it is not clear that these blocks (which contain more transactions than an average block) pose more risk than any other block. What are you basing your claims on?

From your ANN I assumed the syncing was needed to make sure the clusters all have the same blockchain data:

"each cluster will process transactions independently and then periodically synchronize transactions between geographic clusters."

That sounds like each cluster will do transactions in their specific geo-location and then sync that data with other clusters to make sure all data is available and correct at all clusters.

However now you seem to be saying that each geographical location will have its own blockchain and  sync blocks are only needed if one person travels from one geographical location to another, sort of how cell phone signal gets passed from base station to base station if you have a cell phone call while in a moving car. I am not seeing where the decrease in block confirmation time will occur then. If I introduce a different altcoin into each geo-location, they will have separate block chains and their confirmation times will be small only because I have limited who can be on that blockchain by geography. If I want the transaction data from another geo-location I would then have to search numerous blockchains, not just one. Also if one cluster is taken down for some reason the transaction data stored in that cluster will be lost. In fact you have similar points of failure and loss of data all over your network of blockchains.
Each geo-specific cluster will have its own blockchain and sync blocks will be a single block with only cross-cluster transactions, i.e. there will be no info in sync blocks regarding within-cluster transactions. Therefore, there will be multiple blockchains that are separate and at the same time somewhat intertwined. This is not the same as having multiple alts as clusters are geo-IP targeted, i.e. with a specific IP you will be connected to the geo-IP targeted cluster and there will be no possibility to choose a cluster to which you want to be connected. It is similar to some extant how wireless carriers are operating. Cross-cluster transactions (from cluster A to cluster B) will not flow quickly as they will be served by sync blocks. However, there is no need to be connected to cluster B to send transaction to cluster B. 

Clusters will not be managed by a central authority but rather by wallets themselves. Whether or not a cluster should be generated will be based on a voting by miners/pools. Comparison with wireless carriers seems farfetched.

I happened to note you compared your coin to the modern banking system, one of the most centralized institutions we have. My ccomparison to wireless carriers is apt because somewhere in your coin's code you will need to have a list of clusters mapped to their associated geographical locations in order to be able to sync someone's transaction correctly to the correct cluster as they move from one geo-location to another. This is currently how cell phone towers work. That mapping is the holy grail for every surveillance agency out in the world today. With it they can track the geographical location where a certain transaction took place. You may argue that each cluster covers a large geographical area. This may be true at first but the more clusters that are set up, the less people will be covered by each individual cluster making it easy for data mining algorithms to find what they need.
Banking system is a complex system and some parts are working pretty well, others are bloated with regulation (capital adequacy, M2, collateral etc.). We think that payments systems are executed pretty well in banking and this is the part of banking that we are looking at.
The closest cluster will be the one with the lowest latency to cluster nodes and that will be the serving cluster. If one controls cluster nodes in various clusters one would be able to track down every person when clusters become sufficiently small, this is why it is crucial to have distributed node ownership network.
63  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 17, 2014, 08:25:13 PM
I am trying to understand the innovation this coin brings but having some trouble. You are essentially creating centralized points (clusters) from which to source the blockchain according to geographic location in order to speed up block confirmation times. The question then becomes how often do these clusters sync with each other. At one end of the spectrum if your clusters sync at the same rate as bitcoin there will be no appreciable difference in confirmation times except you will have potential centralized points of failure. Syncing less often will decrease block confirmation times but pushes the problem of forking on the blockchain from a single transaction level to a higher level where an entire cluster full of hundreds of thousands of transactions could be on the fork. Then when one cluster doesn't match all the other clusters during a sync those hundreds of thousands of transactions on the fork cluster will be invalidated.
Block confirmation time across clusters shouldn’t be compared with bitcoin block confirmation time, as within a cluster transactions will flow quickly regardless of this time. Transferring funds across clusters might take longer, but we don’t see this as a problem.  Current financial system works in a similar vein and we used it as a model for ClusterCoin.  Analog of a cluster would be a network of local banks (local payments are processed by local banks with a prompt transaction); across cluster transactions (served by sync blocks) correspond to SWIFT transactions.
Regarding fork risk of sync blocks – it is not clear that these blocks (which contain more transactions than an average block) pose more risk than any other block. What are you basing your claims on?



Also your statement from the ANN about sync blocks

"Synchronization blocks will be generated by pools located all over the world. In order to maintain high speed of block generation, those polls will maintain a direct connection to each other and coordinate each synchronization block generation. There will be no reward for this kind of blocks."

Not only is this extremely centralized but with no reward no one is going to mine sync blocks which are the most important block in your system.


I am sorry for this confusion; this was the part of old FAQ which was corrected in the White Paper but not in the thread. Sync blocks will be reward with a higher reward rather than zero reward. Sync block reward is still an open question in terms of how much rewarding it should be relative to a regular block.
 

EDIT: Also wanted to add the almost cavalier nature in which you treat the geolocation data that will be collected from all clustercoin users is troubling. In fact there will be very little difference between wireless carriers that use GPS to send your cell phone signal to the nearest base station and Clustercoin's geo-clusters. So the same tools of surveillance will be built within this coin from its inception and surveillance agencies can make easy use of it.
Clusters will not be managed by a central authority but rather by wallets themselves. Whether or not a cluster should be generated will be based on a voting by miners/pools. Comparison with wireless carriers seems farfetched.
64  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 5 DAYS LEFT on: August 17, 2014, 05:35:32 AM
Can we please get someone that knows what the hell they are talking about to review this idea?  

Recap: Intentionally creating parallel block chains for speed
          Then the blockchain will check with the multiple parallel blockchains before the next block to eliminate double spends.


In the case of a double spend, how does the blockchain know which parallel spend is the correct spend.
How does this create efficiency if the block chain has to check with the parallel chains before it can post?  It seems even more inefficient than bitcoin.



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This is my favorite part.  How in the hell do you know your balance in each ledger vs the other persons ledger who cares scam.


It is easy to imagine like this - separate forks are totally independent (like different altcoins). Nothing can travel between them. Once in a while you can send transaction between forks, but it must be confirmed by both forks. In theory there is no possibility of double spending.
65  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 16, 2014, 09:50:10 PM
We have agreed with Bittrex to remove 3.5m coins from the market today. The coins will be destroyed once the ICO is over. This is reducing the ICO cap to 3.5m coins. Once Bittrex makes an official announcement we will update the OP/website and make an announcement.
66  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 16, 2014, 12:55:54 PM


We are changing block rewards from 30 down to 3 to make your investments more valuable.


We really aimed for the tech in this project. We believe in our tech and we are willing to deliver this tech. Have a glance at the whitepaper - ClusterCoin is market changing idea. It upsets me that everything that matters nowadays is price.

Who's "we"?  Who is actually working on this ? and whats their background ? If you can't present the people working on this you might as well say "I".

"It upsets me that everything that matters nowadays is price."  - Really ? After we seen dozens of projects raising money with IPO/ICO ended being a scam or fast loss it still surprises you ?


Cryptasian POD is coming soon. Hopefully, that will relief some of your concerns.

So we should wait ? What if the your 7 days ICO will be over by then ?   Don't you want more people to buy in the ICO ? I don't get it.. Undecided
I have contacted cryptasian yesterday, but they are slow in responding. We are hoping to get their rating asap.

Sorry for the ignorance, but who's cryptasian  ?
http://cryptoasian.com/
They provide Proof of Dev service.
67  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 16, 2014, 12:54:32 PM
plus if u reduced the coin cap to 3 million you would actually sell out and cause buzz for the coin instead if you only sell less than a million it actually looks like a failed launch with little buzz... none of my posts are fud at all , I'm actually interested if the dev would have a positive resonse this time that i made it clear with legitimate reasons why the cap needs to be lowered... I'm good for 5-10 btc
You are quite vocal about your position and I have to admit that it has some merits. We are open about asking Bittrex to destroy 4 million coins, however it is not quite clear why the market cannot decide on its own. The idea we had in mind is to offer the number of coins for the ICO that is well above the expected demand (we've never expected to sell all coins) and let the market decide how much coins will be sold, i.e. let the supply be big enough so that the number of coins outstanding will be driven by the demand only. What some of you are suggesting is to limit the supply so that the demand can exceed it, thereby there will be excess demand after the ICO which will provide price support. Is that the logic?
68  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 16, 2014, 12:05:25 PM


We are changing block rewards from 30 down to 3 to make your investments more valuable.


We really aimed for the tech in this project. We believe in our tech and we are willing to deliver this tech. Have a glance at the whitepaper - ClusterCoin is market changing idea. It upsets me that everything that matters nowadays is price.

Who's "we"?  Who is actually working on this ? and whats their background ? If you can't present the people working on this you might as well say "I".

"It upsets me that everything that matters nowadays is price."  - Really ? After we seen dozens of projects raising money with IPO/ICO ended being a scam or fast loss it still surprises you ?


Cryptasian POD is coming soon. Hopefully, that will relief some of your concerns.

So we should wait ? What if the your 7 days ICO will be over by then ?   Don't you want more people to buy in the ICO ? I don't get it.. Undecided
I have contacted cryptasian yesterday, but they are slow in responding. We are hoping to get their rating asap.
69  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 16, 2014, 11:09:17 AM
I really really like the idea, but the price is just too damn high. Wink

yes  why ico's price all so high

For the last time I will comment on this -  please read the OP before making price statements. Saying "the price is high" makes sense only if you know how much coins will be sold, but nobody knows this. We could sell as low as 700k coins (the max is 7m) - the actual number of coins sold in the ICO depends on investors interests. In 6 days we will see how much coins will be outstanding.
STOP saying go read the op!! Its YOU who is not understanding! everyone here understands that 7 million is the cap but what you don't understand is that you look like a greedy mother******!!! you don't need 700btc for what your presenting, so if you were smart and want to make this a success , cut down the cap to 3 million and have bittrex destroy the balance and with your new reward per block this can actually work... i would listen to what your "potential" investors are trying to tell u and i myself would love to buy a ton if you actually didn't reply to this post with "go read the op"

thank you waiting for your response
I apologize if I offended you or someone else. The reason I was trying to push conversation to the OP is because some people were commenting that I was repeating myself too much which was my feeling as well.
Bittrex will destroy any unsold coins. You are suggesting to destroy 4 mln today (as these coins will not be sold anyways), instead of waiting until the end of ICO to destroy any unsold coins. Would you mind explaining what is the difference in destroying part of the coins today (and maybe then destroying some more at the end of ICO) vs waiting for 6 more days and destroying whatever is unsold?
70  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 16, 2014, 09:40:05 AM


We are changing block rewards from 30 down to 3 to make your investments more valuable.


We really aimed for the tech in this project. We believe in our tech and we are willing to deliver this tech. Have a glance at the whitepaper - ClusterCoin is market changing idea. It upsets me that everything that matters nowadays is price.

Who's "we"?  Who is actually working on this ? and whats their background ? If you can't present the people working on this you might as well say "I".

"It upsets me that everything that matters nowadays is price."  - Really ? After we seen dozens of projects raising money with IPO/ICO ended being a scam or fast loss it still surprises you ?


Cryptasian POD is coming soon. Hopefully, that will relief some of your concerns.
71  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 16, 2014, 08:51:25 AM
I really really like the idea, but the price is just too damn high. Wink

yes  why ico's price all so high

For the last time I will comment on this -  please read the OP before making price statements. Saying "the price is high" makes sense only if you know how much coins will be sold, but nobody knows this. We could sell as low as 700k coins (the max is 7m) - the actual number of coins sold in the ICO depends on investors interests. In 6 days we will see how much coins will be outstanding.
72  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 16, 2014, 08:49:48 AM


We are changing block rewards from 30 down to 3 to make your investments more valuable.


We really aimed for the tech in this project. We believe in our tech and we are willing to deliver this tech. Have a glance at the whitepaper - ClusterCoin is market changing idea. It upsets me that everything that matters nowadays is price.
73  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷☷☷ ANN ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 16, 2014, 12:32:39 AM
this is going to need 170TH of mining to sustain 10,000sats..any less that 170TH then the miners will happily dump at below 10,000...if 50 TH mine it then 3000sats is a good dumping price.
This is an interesting comment. We are currently thinking about lowering mining reward before the mining starts in order to protect early investors.
74  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷☷☷ ANN ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 16, 2014, 12:31:14 AM
what is that wall 700 btc in bittrex Huh?

This is the ICO fund.
Bittrex selling 700 BTC worth of ClusterCoins. If at least 10% of this will be sold project will be funded and development will be continued (otherwise Bittrex will return all investments).

Currently gathered 9,2 BTC - pretty good considering ICO just started few hours ago.
what project ?  Grin Your joking right ?
Your OP is just full of emptiness.... 3 slides I already saw elsewhere  Grin
Well after all if people are gullible enough, take your money and runaway  Grin
As all the slides were made by us I am quite curious which slides have you seen before. Could you please provide the links?
75  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷☷☷ ANN ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 15, 2014, 08:17:21 PM
what is that wall 700 btc in bittrex Huh?

This is the ICO fund.
Bittrex selling 700 BTC worth of ClusterCoins. If at least 10% of this will be sold project will be funded and development will be continued (otherwise Bittrex will return all investments).

Currently gathered 9,2 BTC - pretty good considering ICO just started few hours ago.
76  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷☷☷ ANN ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 15, 2014, 07:46:21 PM
what do you need 700 bitcoins for?

700 btc invested with only 20% coin?

that's one expensive scam to buy into
Firstly, ICO proceeds will be published in the public address. Every use of funds will be publicly disclosed.
Secondly, we are not aiming to raise 700 BTC, this is the upper limit. As along as we raise 70 BTC or more we will proceed with the project.

The more we raise the more funds we will have to develop the project to its full scale, which should be positive in the long-run.
77  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷☷☷ ANN ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 15, 2014, 12:50:33 PM
Source code and Windows wallet are now available! I've updated OP
78  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷☷☷ ANN ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷☷ on: August 15, 2014, 11:43:52 AM
700BTC?HuhHuh  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
Please, read the OP carefully. This is the max amount that potentially can be raised from the ICO. We are not claiming that we will raise this much. The minimum is 70 BTC. Any price comment at this point is really irrelevant as nobody knows how much coins will be outstanding after the ICO.
79  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷☷☷ ANN ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷ 7 DAYS LEFT on: August 15, 2014, 11:17:11 AM
ICO page launched and available here:

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-CLSTR
80  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷☷☷ ANN ☷ BITTREX ICO ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷☷☷ on: August 15, 2014, 11:00:30 AM
when does the ICO end?

ICO ends in 7 days.


On the side note I really expected more tech questions rather than price questions.
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