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Considering the evasiveness of LorkiSan's answers, I think it's highly probable that he is a paid shill. This is not new, a previous Ponzi scheme (Cryptory) paid people to post on this forum promoting the scheme. After pushing long enough, the shills admitted that, around the time the scheme collapsed (if I recall the chronology correctly).
Yeah, I remember Cryptory, at least they put a bit of effort into that Ponzi, with the photographs and stuff, not like this transparent nonsense. Those shills only lost their nerve after Dooglus started hitting them with neg trust, iirc. These two on here seem to be run by some sort of circular script, probably carry on with their nonsense posts indefinitely. Or the couple of weeks it may take for this joke 'investment opportunity' to eat itself. Hmm, you said you are not a fool. Do you pretend to be? |
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They present themselves just like a ponzi
No, they don't. You think so. Please elaborate, why don't you think they are a ponzi? I don't know, but there is a chance that these guys know what they are doing, isn't it? I noticed that it is very difficult to launch a new service, because people do not trust anything. Even new legitimate exchanges suffer from this. But among them there are many good services, so why not give them a chance? Nobody says that you should give them all your money, just enough to treat them more kindly. |
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By legitimate I mean their business activities are what they claim. There is no way they are actually generating the huge returns needed to pay out their loans to investors by the secret methods they claim. They are not a legitimate buiness.
What business? What activities? On the website there is not a single word about fiat, they accept only bitcoin. That's why I said that I don't care about their legitimacy. I live in a country where bitcoin is not legitimate, so I do not care. And if it was about fiat then of course you were absolutely right, but it's not. You will never get definitive proof either way unless they open up their records to a third party. Why do you think the service should get a chance? What makes you think they are different then any other ponzi before them?
At the moment their service works, unlike those who are already failed. This is the main difference. And the chance is necessary because I need such services, and I am sure that I am not alone. |
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You said it yourself that you do not care if they are legitimate and gave no reason to why they could be legitimate. If you think they are a legitimate business and not a hyip/ponzi, please enlighten us.
There is no connection between legitimacy and ponzi. A legitimate company can be ponzi and illegitimate service may not be a ponzi. Some signs of a ponzi, if you are unaware:
I am familiar with these signs, but this is only a warning, not an absolute truth. At the moment there are no facts. In my opinion this service should get a chance. But I can be wrong. |
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Seems that we agree it is a hyip/ponzi.
Who said that? Its your opinion. But I don't see the point to argue because the facts are missing. By your words any anonymous investment website which accepts Bitcoin is a ponzi/hyip. I don't agree with you. |
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so why do you think they are legitimate? Please be descriptive, saying "It is always different" is not a compelling argument.
And why should they be legitimate? I rather like the anonymity and I am not worried about the legitimacy of the service. That's why I use Bitcoin, which is not legitimate in many countries including mine. |
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Why do you think it will be different this time?
It is always different. It depends on your point of view. You are looking for opportunities or sit and whine about everything has the same end. |
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What makes me a fool? Only the opinion of a bunch of people who are afraid to take risks for the sake of profits?
if you could only see my trading book right now There will not be anything unusual, good luck to you. |
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Please let's end to discuss who is the fool, this topic was created to discuss the website, not people who take part in it.
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So why are you so defensive about it?
Im not defensive about it. I just don't like when some fools call others fools because they have different opinions. I often participate in such "projects" and I don't lose money. What makes me a fool? Only the opinion of a bunch of people who are afraid to take risks for the sake of profits? This is ridiculous. So, which is it, shill or naive?
Because one things for sure, we aren't fools.
Only two options? It seems to me that this is still a big question who's the fool. |
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your site
My site? I am not connected with the site. |
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Everything about them screams HYIP/ponzi. If you don't see it then you are either incredibly naive or a shill for the scheme.
These are your guesses. In any case, it does not make anyone a fool. |
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What is Ebola? It even exists?
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Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?
Diploma in mathematics, I suppose? |
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First time posting,
I've been "trolling"? these forums for quite some time now and I have a dumb question...
Am I a troll if I've never spoke up, instead just trying to learn where things are heading?
I feel strange watching all these "clairvoyant" posts about the demise of BTC vs "the moon". It seems to be getting increasingly difficult to find meaningful, informative discussions here. Is this due to most people speaking out are "traders"? and simply not good at it? Also, why would the "failllings" of this place be so determined to spout doom on a daily basis? How does this help them?...certainly can't be for "cheap coins"...or could it? I didn't think anyone would spend that much time trying to save us all from the evil pyramid scheme that is Bitcoin, so why does he/they try so hard?
I never paid more than $125 for ANY BTC and I GUESS that kinda make me an early adopter...I watched MY cheap coins go from $40-$70 all the way up to $1200 and now back down to the $300s and I've never gotten so uptight about it. Yes, I DO have what I consider a substantial amount of coin but I'm a firm believer and whether BTC goes "to the moon" or not, there is no question that its a better system and will eventually be at the very least the defacto currency of the internet!
Ok, I feel better now that I FINALLY made an effort to ask a few questions...any and all HONEST, OBJECTIVE opinions are very much welcome...but first..AM I A TROLL? lol
btw...I stumbled across BTC when the feds decided US shouldn't be gambling online for real money...got "stuck" with some BTC from Seals with clubs poker site and now I'm trying VERY hard to just "not think about BTC" for a few months at a time...more fun that way.
I fell into the mining trap and even now I've got a small farm working the altcoins and changing em in for BTC.
I'm one of the few lucky ones that actually made my roi (could have had a TON more if I had just bought and sold etc but I know squat about the money market in general.
Done rambling now..thanks for listening and thanks in advance for any intelligent answers to any of my questions, I really WOULD like to be more involved here, but wading through the zealots and the naysayers is a daunting task indeed HA!
And what the doctor said? |
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It's not rude when it's a fact
It's rude and there are no facts. We have different opinions, but that doesn't make one of us a fool. |
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Just another ponzi for fools ...
Rudeness is also not from the great mind! Profit is calculated in bitcoin, so you're a little wrong.
Yes, things are different in Bitcoin, even the math. In Bitcoinland, it is perfectly normal to expect 1% daily ROI from total strangers and to send unrecoverable money to an anonymous website. I agree, but this is not the worst that happens in "Bitcoinland" =) |
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Anyone with $100k and a mathematical brain (I have neither) can technically make $1000/day with arbitrage, more on a particularly volatile day, less on a shocker of a day, even a loss.
Mathematical brain will not help you here.  |
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Are you planning to have a sig campaign soon?
who knows... |
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