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61  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 27, 2018, 04:07:16 PM

In addition, cryptos are not still as common as a fiat currency. People who doesn't give attention to modern technology haven't heard of and maybe those who have heard about it do not have any interest.
I agree.

Consumers (buyers) won't use it until they
  • are aware of it
  • understand how it works
  • trust it

To achieve this, there needs to be a lot invested in marketing crypto payments to consumers (and, retailers too!) as well as educational programs.  I see a similar task as American Express and Bank of America, pioneers in card payments, did in the 1960s to get consumers and retailers aware of it.
62  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 27, 2018, 07:17:49 AM
I believe crypto is a payment solution in the future, you try to imagine if we want to send money abroad in just a matter of seconds or minutes the money will quickly get to the recipient with a very low cost and without complicated requirements. Crypto is a technological breakthrough that is very suitable for use in people's lives or used en masse.
For certain, Instant Value Transfer is a primary benefit to consumers of cryptocurrency.

Also, its for everyone because it doesn't require either the buyer or seller to have a bank account.

Lastly, it's a breakthrough for private and public accounting because it provides evidence for a purchase.

So, cryptocurrency has a lot of benefits. 

The question remains... with all these benefits why isn't is use more widespread?
63  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 26, 2018, 06:35:39 AM
The reason is that they are not controlled by anyone, and as we know the government does not like it. From the government-controlled cryptocurrency makes no sense, and not controlled has cant received extensive distribution.
Some governments don't like the idea of cryptocurrency because they can't control the money supply, which is their "monetary policy".  I suspect most governments don't care because they don't see cryptocurrency being a threat to their monetary policy because to date there has been very little use as a medium of payment. 

On the other hand, if there was a cryptocurrency that was regulator friendly where it provides advantages to the government over their fiat currency, perhaps governments would allow, even encourage, the use of cryptocurrency.
64  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 25, 2018, 01:57:59 AM
It would take time for jnstitution to realize cryptocurrencies are better to use. The government are still opposing its use although there are countries already adopting it.  The more countries that will be accepting bitcoin, the more will be opening themselves for it also. It will take time.
I agree that before cryptocurrencies will experience widespread use as a medium of payment that governments, and more specifically, their regulators allow, if not enthusiastically support, cryptocurrency as a medium of payment.

There needs to be innovation because I'm not aware of any blockchain and its associated cryptocurrency that is "regulator friendly".
65  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 24, 2018, 04:55:03 PM
Who told you that they haven't been successful as a medium of payment? There are some issues, but people have become innovative now trying to resolve them. For example, the long delays in confirmation can be resolved by using a third party payment processor such as Bitpay.
I suppose it depends on what you consider a success.

Sure, cryptocurrencies are used for payment.  Out of the nearly 80 trillion USD per year, crypto payments represent a fraction of one percent of this.  This fact is the source of my conclusion.

The point of this post is to explore some of the obstacles that prevent its widespread use.

66  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 23, 2018, 07:32:08 AM
all these replies and nobody has yet mentioned the real reason for it!
it is pretty simple and it is because of the design. the altcoins despite their names (coin) are not designed to be a medium of exchange aka a currency. they may be advertised as a currency, they may also carry the name "currency" but they are far from it. when the developers of these altcoins are creating them, the only thing they have in their minds is how to make more money from their  creation. that is why premines, ICOs and all the rest of the ways they use have been created.

you can not expect something that is not designed to be a currency to act as a currency. look at bitcoin for example. it IS designed to be a currency and it IS acting as a currency even though many are only seeing it as an investment.
I agree that a foundational problem is one of design.  I'm not aware of any blockchain and an associated cryptocurrency with an adequate design so the cryptocurrency can be widely used as a medium of  payment (exchange).  So, there is room for innovation.

And for certain, virtually all ICOs and their cryptocurrencies aren't intended to be used as a medium of exchange.

Still, there are some cryptocurrencies that were designed to be a medium of exchange beginning with bitcoin.  None have achieved widespread use.  This thread is helping showing some of the obstacles preventing it.
67  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 23, 2018, 05:17:28 AM
What are some of the reasons preventing cryptocurrency from being more successful as a medium of payment?
Innovation and the change of point of view the way people/users looking at it.

Crypto's are meant to become a medium of payment but as the days are passing by it is changing. We saw on how it's effective and profitable to become an investment, store of value and asset. But it's still being used the way it is and those other use that I mentioned just adds as its feature.
No doubt that cryptocurrency has many uses other than a medium of payment.  There is also no doubt it was invented to be a medium of payment, and for this purpose it hasn't achieved widespread usage.

I agree that there needs to be innovation.  I have yet to find an existing blockchain and associated cryptocurrency that is well-suited as medium of payment.
68  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do you check a project's GitHub while doing ICO analysis? on: June 22, 2018, 05:43:19 AM
Everyone knows that's it's necessary to check a project's social media pages and whitepaper while analysing ICO projects, but first of all we are investing in the technology, not in the marketing. So the main thing to take a look at should be GitHub of the project, and looking at it we can get the overall picture about how the team is working and whether the funds that are being raised are really spent on the development of the project.
Do you agree with this? How important is GitHub for you in ICO analysis?
There are numerous criteria evaluating an ICO project.  Certainly one of them is assessing the team's ability to deliver the technology.

If you have a strong technical background, reviewing technical assets such as specifications, code, and test cases are important milestones you can verify.

Many, perhaps most, ICO investors don't have such a background.

What probably is a better criteria is the background and track record of the team.  This will show whether they have a consistent record of delivering significant software projects.  Any ICO investor can assess this.
69  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 22, 2018, 05:15:13 AM
Its been a decade now when bitcoin started and we have been using it ever since including the businesses that were accepting it, we can consider it a success. There's also ETH which we have been exchanging too, I can't imagine the struggle, it was the most fud token back then now its more than $500 and its widely accepted too. There are more of crypptocurrencies like DASH which are also accepted as mode of payment and more of it.
I agree that cryptocurrency is being used as a medium of payment.  There are hundreds of businesses that accept cryptocurrency.

I wouldn't consider this "widely accepted".

Of the nearly 80 trillion USD per year in global payments, cryptocurrency is a fraction of a percent of this.  Perhaps when this approach 10% I would consider it widely accepted.

I'm exploring what about cryptocurrency is preventing it from having wider use.
70  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 20, 2018, 06:19:34 PM
What are some of the reasons preventing cryptocurrency from being more successful as a medium of payment?
Innovation and the change of point of view the way people/users looking at it.

Crypto's are meant to become a medium of payment but as the days are passing by it is changing. We saw on how it's effective and profitable to become an investment, store of value and asset. But it's still being used the way it is and those other use that I mentioned just adds as its feature.
I agree.

When "Satoshi" invented blockchain the application "he" designed to use "his" invention was a medium of payment.  There are a variety of flaws in this design that creates obstacles for its use as a medium of payment.  Many of these obstacles posters highlighted in this thread. 

And, these and other design flaws are found in other blockchains and their cryptocurrencies.  So, they aren't isolated to Bitcoin.

My sense is there still needs to be a lot of innovation to arrive at a blockchain and cryptocurrency suitable for a medium of exchange that sees widespread use.



71  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SEC announces that ETH is not a security on: June 19, 2018, 11:41:01 PM
I believe his speech was not necessarily so positive because, on the other hand, the director stated everything you put money with intention to sell higher is a security, so everything else can be a security.
There is a lot of nuance determining whether something is a security.

There are plenty of things you can buy with expectation it will go up in value that aren't securities.  This expectation is one of several criteria.

The emphasis in this ruling is whether after Network Launch the network is decentralized, where it isn't controlled by a "third party".  He said in the case of the Bitcoin and Ethereum networks these were adequately decentralized, and therefore, wasn't controlled by a third party thus making these not securities.

In contrast, Ripple and EOS are controlled by a central authority, which means they may be considered securities.
72  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SEC announces that ETH is not a security on: June 19, 2018, 09:56:31 PM

So like I said: If Ethereum came out today, it would be deemed an illegal security by US law.

I guess Ethereum holders lucked out with this one. I guess they did this to not screw up the current market, but I also think someone with SEC influence is bagholding ETH and this was in their interest.

At the end of the day they are screwing up the people that could get rich from investing in something very early to save the idiots that cannot do research. Once again government regulators screwing up those that put the work (to do the research) vs these that don't put the work and invest in obvious scams such as Bitconnect
I agree.

This is the unfortunate aspect of the law.

And, the unintended consequence is many of blockchain projects will move outside of the United States so that they can raise capital prior to Network Launch.
73  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 19, 2018, 01:10:30 AM
The reason is that crypto is only starting to become popular last year so it still need a lot of time until normal people and business know about it and decided to adopt it as one of the payment option.

Yes, it will take some time and a lot of effort to get the public to understand how it works, why they should trust it, and why it is better than existing electronic payments, especially credit/debit cards.

It's similar problem to the early 1960s when Bank of America introduced the "BankAmericard".  They and American Express were trying to get the public to understand what a "credit card" was, how it worked, why they should trust it, and why it was better than using cash or cheques.  It took years and hundreds of millions USD in advertising to make it a widely use medium of payment.

Government also one of the factor of this slow adoption because they still want to regulate crypto before allowing business to accept them.
I agree.

What most governments want is way their regulators such as tax authorities and custom agencies can effectively regulate commerce paid with cryptocurrencies.  Existing blockchains make this virtually impossible because,
  • they conceal the identity of payer and payee
  • they conceal the nature of the transaction, where it is impossible to know what was purchased, what, if any, taxes were paid, or the tax nexus of the payer (buyer) and the payee (seller)

74  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SEC announces that ETH is not a security on: June 18, 2018, 06:21:19 PM
Here is the key distinction... some cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin and ether can be used as a medium of payment.  This means they have inherent value because sellers are willing to trade a cryptocurrency for goods or services.  Further, there are currency exchanges that will exchange a cryptocurrency for fiat currency.  This means they are liquid.

The is gist of this ruling.


No token project at the beginning is going to have liquidity therefore it's not going to be viable as a medium of payment... so any new token from now on is a security if judging by this.



By declaring ICOs a security, it restricts investors residing in the United States to only "Accredited Investors".  This means only Accredited Investors may invest in ICOs.  That's unfortunate to savvy investors who are quite capable of distinguishing a scam from a legit ICO as well as can responsibility restrict their investment budget, BUT who aren't Accredited Investors.

What's ironic is if Ethereum came out today it would qualify as a security because it would lack the liquidity part which judging by what you said is what made the SEC not count it as a security, so it wouldn't have allowed all these early investors to get rich because im sure 0% of them would qualify as  "accredited investors". Most early Ethereum investors im sure were geeky guys that were interested in Bitcoin and browsed this forum looking for the next big thing go make massive gains with since they missed the Bitcoin boat.

As far as US security law, there are two phases of raising capital for a project.  The "Network Launch" is what separates these phases.  Network Launch by definition is when the the network is operational allowing the public to purchase and use tokens. 

Provided there is a use for the token (which, presumably, is what the token designers designed to token to do) the token becomes a utility token, and thus isn't a security according to US securities law, and this announcement confirms the SEC understanding.

Prior to Network Launch there aren't tokens because the network is under construction.  In this phase, investors can purchase rights to a number of tokens at Network Launch.  These rights are considered securities.

So, an ICO is really organized into two phases:

Pre-ICO - prior to Network Launch
ICO - after Network Launch

In the early days of Pre-ICOs, such as the Ethereum ICO circa 2014, the offering to purchase rights to tokens were open to anyone.  This was a violation of US securities law.  It's only recently that the SEC has realized this, and now is enforcing the law.  Just ask the folks at Munchee.


The result is for Pre-ICOs organized under US law are no longer open to anyone.  This locks out a lot of savvy investors such as blockchain enthusiasts who aren't accredited investors.  These investors must wait until Network Launch.  At this stage, the ROI is typically dramatically less than early rounds during the Pre-ICO phase.  Of course, it's also dramatically less risky thus the lower return.

The law surrounding ICOs is new and evolving.  Everytime the SEC makes a ruling, it helps attorneys understand the "rules of the game", and in turn help their clients.  This is quite helpful.


75  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 17, 2018, 10:49:00 PM
because current blockchains are not enough proper for the payments. it needs to be faster with a better network size. and fees should be less. Maybe lightening network is going to solve these problems and we will be able to use bitcoins as payment.
I agree that existing blockchains lack the performance necessary to support a successful payment network on the scale of Visa International.

I know there are projects to extend Ethereum so that it can handle this type of load. EOS claims that someday it may be able to handle this load.

I'm not aware of any blockchain designed from scratch to meet this requirement.
76  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 17, 2018, 09:43:50 PM
Cryptocurrency has been very successful in it use as a method of payment. Waves, monero and few major alternative currency and bitcoins are all being used on daily basis for transferring money across the globe.
Sure, there are some examples where it is used a medium of payment.  Still, this represents only a fraction of a percent of payments.

My question is, what is preventing cryptocurrency from being more widespread as a medium of payment.
77  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 17, 2018, 08:50:21 PM
The global economy is nearly 80 trillion USD per year.  Payments using any type of cryptocurrency as a medium of payment is a tiny fraction of this total.

What are some of the reasons preventing cryptocurrency from being more successful as a medium of payment?

Bitcoin ruined things last year by having high fees and delays in getting coins confirmed, and lots of retailers like Steam decided not to accept bitcoin any more.

As for alts, they could in theory have stepped into the void, but none have a big enough community to make it worthwhile for any retailer to enable them (in other words, the communities for each coin are so small hardly any sales would be done in that coin).
This suggests that there is a "Catch 22 Problem"... for retailers to accept a cryptocurrency, they must see sufficient demand from their customers;  customers won't use a cryptocurrency until there is sufficient supply of retailers that accept it.

That tells me that part of the solution to getting cryptocurrencies used as a medium of payment is beyond the design of a cryptocurrency.  It takes "killer apps" that are compelling to both consumers and retailers, AND an energetic community of businesses, enthusiasts, and others to promote and support these applications.  This community may be the most important part of the solution.
78  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 17, 2018, 07:54:51 PM
In order for the currency to be successful as a means of payment, it is necessary to do a lot of work. First of all, it concerns the adoption of relevant laws and by-laws concerning the legalization and further regulation of the crypto currency. A corresponding infrastructure should be developed, which is not yet available. And most importantly - you need people's desire to use it as a means of payment. For the time being, we see only a very big interest in using crypto currency as a means of accumulating value in order to derive greater profit from the increase in its value.
I agree that for widespread use there must be a cryptocurrency that is "regulator friendly".

For that to happen, there needs to be a cryptocurrency designed with a thorough and broad understanding of the numerous regulators involved across numerous jurisdictions.  I don't see much discussion about this.
79  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: June 17, 2018, 06:50:17 PM
I believe crypto is a payment solution in the future, you try to imagine if we want to send money abroad in just a matter of seconds or minutes the money will quickly get to the recipient with a very low cost and without complicated requirements. Crypto is a technological breakthrough that is very suitable for use in people's lives or used en masse.
It can move any value of money from anywhere to anywhere in the world in moments for essentially no cost.  For those involved with global payments this seems like magic!
80  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SEC announces that ETH is not a security on: June 16, 2018, 08:37:10 PM
SEC is one of that fiatwhale supporters that now joined this game to manipulate with crypto price without adding something useful in this field Angry
They just ban, or allow - but to allow you don't need to be special. For ban also. Useless part in crypto development as for me Undecided
Actually, the SEC is quite supportive of blockchain and cryptocurrencies.  They are working hard to create the rules that provide the infrastructure that will allow widespread use.

These rules are extremely useful.

The SEC's priority is protecting unsophisticated investors who aren't savvy enough to detect ICO scams AND can't afford to lose their money in such scams.  There are a lot of ICOs that are scams.  So, these "bans" are helpful.

Now, by declaring cryptocurrencies NOT a security, this SEC ruling opens the way for any investor, regardless of their sophistication or ability to afford losing their investment, to buy cryptocurrencies as an investment. 

It also opens the ability to use cryptocurrencies as a medium of payment as well as other uses.

That seems quite helpful to crypto development.

By declaring ICOs a security, it restricts investors residing in the United States to only "Accredited Investors".  This means only Accredited Investors may invest in ICOs.  That's unfortunate to savvy investors who are quite capable of distinguishing a scam from a legit ICO as well as can responsibility restrict their investment budget, BUT who aren't Accredited Investors.
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