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61  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [POOL][BTC][LTC][BCN][MRO][QCN][FCN][duck] Minergate on: June 23, 2014, 08:07:07 AM
I Just notice my problem with QCN lost in space It come to my wallet about 1 day ago and now show in transaction hash.
same here. But withdraw still not possible since 18th

EDIT :

I just create a new account, and mine for some minutes on it. Then, i try to withdraw : no problems.
So, if you have a lot of coin to withdraw, you can't, but new miners can ? (to keep them mining ?)
I have 400K BCN, 400K XDN, ~100FCN...and i can't get them
Huh

I don't understand that a new account can withdraw, and other can't.

Also, web mining is on by default  Shocked

EDIT2 : and still no answer about making a manual payout
62  Local / Annonces / Re: [ANN] [XMR] Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature de cercle on: June 23, 2014, 08:01:38 AM
Quelqu'un aurait un guide pour le debutant (en fait, pour le gros noob) pour miner avec une instance AWS ? (ou plus generalement, avec linux, la partie AWS est facultative..)

Ok j'en prépare un dans les jours qui viennent.
En Anglais par contre ?

Pas grave si c'est en anglais, je maitrise bien plus l'anglais que le pinguin. (je suis puceau de linux en fait)
J'ai bien compris comment me logger sur une instance avec putty, mais apres... (bon, avec les instance gratuite pour me faire la main, rien d'utilisable pour miner de toute façon, mais avant de payer...


Putain c'est ééénorme ce que Perl prépare.
Mais j'en dirais pas plus.

Merge mining ?

D'ailleurs, j'ai pas vu passer l'info, mais pour ceux qui minent en cpu, Yam a sortit une version pour cryptonote, avec laquelle j'ai de meilleures perfs qu'avec le mineur de wolf.
63  Local / Annonces / Re: [ANN] [XMR] Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature de cercle on: June 23, 2014, 07:42:00 AM
Quelqu'un aurait un guide pour le debutant (en fait, pour le gros noob) pour miner avec une instance AWS ? (ou plus generalement, avec linux, la partie AWS est facultative..)
64  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Wolf's XMR/BCN/MNT CPUMiner - 2x speed compared to LucasJones' - NEW 06/20/2014 on: June 23, 2014, 12:43:00 AM
If you consider cpu mining, you should consider the whole PC consumption, not just CPU.
Making a "traditional" desktop computer with a 4770K will cost more thant a GPU.

You're thinking from a single minded perspective. You are actually seeing the INTENTIONAL limitation of this algorithm.

My kids have a 2500k each and they get 110H/s when the CPU is at 50% the whole time they're on it. They use this miner in Windows. Measured AT THE WALL the power consumption goes up by 30w when the miner starts if the PC was at idle, when I have Hearthstone running in window mode, it is only going up by 20w with the miner.

So effectively, regular crappy $300 computers that I bought for my kids are getting me 110H/s for somewhere between 20w and 30w depending on what they're doing. An R9 280x draws around 300w from the wall at full power, if Claymore's miner is only using half their power, it would be 150w.

To break even in H/s you'd need to be getting closer to 660H/s per card, your results show 460 per card.

This means that people can't just buy a crap tonne of equipment and own the coin. It was intentionally made to be this way.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that the kids don't think it affects their gameplay. They play mostly Hearthstone, Path of Exile, Diablo 3, League of Legends and DotA 2.

The cryptonight algo was not designed to be more cpu friendly than gpu friendly. It is more cpu friendly actually.
I'm not complaining, i have some cpu at home (a dual xeon 2687w and a 3930K@4.8GHz) - i'm not pro or against cpu mining. I have a few gpu and some cpu.
But juste mesuring the difference when mining with cpu compared to when your kids computer are not mining is not, well, a good measure.
Such a computer while mining should draw ~250W (mesured at the wall). Maybe i'm wrong, i'll let you make the measure.
A simple rig designed for mining with gpu, with a little cpu (ga2016/2020), in iddle state, draw 80w, and when mining XMR with one R9 280X, draw 250W.
With the 5 R9 280X, 2300H/s, 1000W measured at the wall.
OK, my dual xeon give me 960H/s for less power, but i think we will see a lot of optimization (for both i hope) in a near future.

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This means that people can't just buy a crap tonne of equipment and own the coin. It was intentionally made to be this way.
Why do you think it was designed intentionally in this way ? To be fair ?
Gpu friendly coin bring gpu farm and multipool, cpu only or cpu friendly bring botnet/amazon EC2 instances (see the boolberry thread, DGA talk about 200 EC2 for himself, and he is far from being the biggest one). In both case i'm still a very little miner

EDIT :
GPU miner coming to nvidia card (not released yet)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167229.msg7458872#msg7458872

First test, with 6 x 750Ti : 270W at the wall (something like 35w per card), ~160H/s per cards
65  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [POOL][BTC][LTC][BCN][MRO][QCN][FCN][duck] Minergate on: June 23, 2014, 12:20:34 AM
Work with minergate since 1 june - xmr withdraw is ok, other withdraw not try else

withdraws work for me many times..but no withdraw are possible till 3 days.
impossible to withdraw XMR, QCN,BCN,XDN,FCN... any cryptonote.

still waitong for answers from the support, or a manual withdraw
66  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Wolf's XMR/BCN/MNT CPUMiner - 2x speed compared to LucasJones' - NEW 06/20/2014 on: June 22, 2014, 08:11:07 AM
If you consider cpu mining, you should consider the whole PC consumption, not just CPU.
Making a "traditional" desktop computer with a 4770K will cost more thant a GPU.
67  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Wolf's XMR/BCN/MNT CPUMiner - 2x speed compared to LucasJones' - NEW 06/20/2014 on: June 21, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
Any updated miners ? The GPU now seems to have a massive advantage over CPUs now on monero

Massive advantage how? Claymore reports 600 H/s on a 290x, which is about double what you get on a fast desktop CPU, but it also costs about twice as much. I see no major advantage to GPUs at this point, they are just another reasonable option.


A 280x do ~400H/s
If you are a miner, you surely have one or more rigs, with several GPUs on each.
Having multiple CPU is a bit more complicated/expensive.

My rig with 5 280X perform @ 2300H/s
My dual xeon 2687w do ~740H/s with Wolf cpu miner and cost a lot more than the rig
68  Local / Annonces / Re: [ANN] [XMR] Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature de cercle on: June 21, 2014, 07:06:35 PM
500BTC de volume d'echange sur poloniex, ça devient facilement 1500 ou plus sur mintpal. En fee, ça represente plusieurs BTC de gain par jour (0.15% de fee par transactions)
Donc ce qu'ils ont gagné par le vote, c'est vraiment rien a coté de ce qu'ils loupe depuis 15 jours
69  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [POOL][BTC][LTC][BCN][MRO][QCN][FCN][duck] Minergate on: June 21, 2014, 05:47:52 PM
Minergate, will you add MCN?

Firstly we are planning to implement Boolberry, Doge and Verdacoin

Dear users,

We are happy to announce that now the pool fee is 2% for all coins.

Our goal is to provide you as profitable mining as it can be.

Regards,
Minergate team



Dear Minergate,
Thanks for lowering the fee.
I like to mine on your pool.

But it's proffitable only if we can withdraw the coin, and if withdrawed coin arrive in our wallet.

Withdraw don't work for 2 or 3 days, and i'm still waiting for "lost" QCN (never arrived) and an non-automated answer to this.
I likED to mine on your pool. I'm obviously mining eslwhere till withdraw problems are solved.
70  Local / Annonces / Re: [ANN] [XMR] Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature de cercle on: June 20, 2014, 10:19:49 PM
ok, j'avais pas vu que le XMR etait 1er en liste des votes sur mintpal, le cours monte donc en partie pour ça, comme chaque ajout chez mintpal. Sauf que c'est pas dit du tout qu'il y soit ajouté, donc chute/correction possible des lundi/mardi!
71  Local / Annonces / Re: [ANN] [XMR] Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature de cercle on: June 20, 2014, 08:43:15 PM
Le gpu miner peut utiliser juste le http non?
Y'aurait moyen de savoir le pourcentage de gens l'utilisant sur la pool?
Non, seul la toute premiere version était limité au http.
Les mineurs gpu se connectent sur les memes ports que les cpus, je voit aucun moyen de savoir qui mine avec quoi
72  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MCN] Moneta Verde - CryptoNote coin with difficulty-BR (lnch at 15:00 GMT) on: June 20, 2014, 08:25:25 PM
what is the current diff ?
73  Local / Annonces / Re: [ANN] [XMR] Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature de cercle on: June 20, 2014, 07:29:47 PM
C'est un peu particulier, si mintpal arrive pas à les ajouter (parcequ'autant ils sont super opportuniste pour les autres monnaies, autant le xmr ils prennent leur max de temps) ça risque de redescendre.
Imo poloniex et bittrex ont pas la carrure pour les porter aussi longtemps.
Y'a cryptsy aussi mais ils ont pas l'air d'en vouloir, bizarre car ils sont beaucoup plus lent que mintpal pour le reste, ça pourrait leur faire un atout :-/.

Mais j'le vois mal redescendre sous les 0.004 là Tongue.
Oui moi non plus, mais faut se mefier, il a deja été deux fois @ .0075 pour redescebdre jusque 0.0019..
C'est le moment d'acheter du BBr le temps que ça se calme..
74  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Mining on: June 20, 2014, 07:23:03 PM
Dev fee is taken properly, no additional main mining degradation is involved. Miner shows raw hash rate, but except dev fee there are also "outdated share found - skip" messages:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=638915.msg7212994#msg7212994

Test v3.1, I improved pool-related code, v2.2 has problems with json implementation if pool is loaded heavily, it can skip new jobs in some cases and it will cause a lot of outdated shares.

BTW, I see strange things related to pools in logs and you can check them too. There are two threads in miner - main and devfee, both are connected to the same pool and both must get new job at the same time. However, sometimes new job arrives only to one thread and second thread can get it 10-30 seconds later or don't get it at all. I test stratum+tcp://monero.crypto-pool.fr:6666, I did not test other pools.
Thanks for the infos.
I'm testing 3.1 right now, nice improvement.
Waiting for a version that can mine to minergate with merge mining Smiley
75  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Mining on: June 20, 2014, 05:16:27 PM
Hi,
I have 1000~1200 H/s with CPUs
I have 2400~2500 H/s with GPU.
I mine with cpus on minergate, and with GPU on differents pools.
I ran different tests, with several pools (see my msg on claymore threads -  i tested for days now on XMR, QCN, BCN, and Ducknote and noted each time, after some time, how many i did with each)
I SHOULD earn two time more coins with gpus than with CPUs..
In reality, i earned 20% more coin with GPU, not 100% more. There is a huge difference.
Devfee in Claymore is 5%
Fee on minergate is 2.5%
I don't think there is a hidden fee with Claymore, but maybe the way the fee is collected make the mining much less efficient. Or it's a pool problem (node-cryptonote-pool)
Of course DDOS can affect thoses pool. I believe it for XMR, but for BCN or for ducknote ? I didn't see any downtime and get similar results.
Juste right now, i'm mining BCN with this config (1200H/s CPU ans 2400 H/s gpu)
After 24H : 184K for CPUs and 167K for GPU  Huh (but there is some not arrived yet, waiting for the 60 confirmation i guess)

If your stats are true, it means that the displayed Claymore hashrate is completely wrong (or a hidden fee IDK).


Pools report my hashrate correctly, when the stats works (but not constant.. fluctuating from 500 to 2500 H)

Problem is that the miner connect to mine for us and every x seconds connect for devfee (disconnect mining for user in between?) - maybe there is a waste of mining time in the process.

Claymore should test his miner without the devfee and compare it to the fee version, to see if the difference is more than 5% (but will it do that ? i don't think so..and i don't think he will let someone test a devfee free version of it (Claymore, if you read, i can do the test  Roll Eyes )

To see if it's a pool problem, i also will mine for x hours with half of the thread of a cpu on a node-cryptonote-pool and half withe minergate.

EDIT : and with a single 280x on the same pool.
I just launch it: 8 threads on minergate (~330H/s but with merge mining), 8 threads on monero.crypto-pool.fr (~350H/s, Wolf cpu miner) and a R9-280X on crypto-pool.fr too (~328H/s)
I will let them mine for 24h, and i will let some time (12 hours) to be sure all the payments are done by the pool, and i will post the results here.

In theory, i should have approx. the same amount, but we will see if the GPU make only half than cpu, or if it's the pool based on node-cryptonote-pool wich need optimizations.
I would try on Wolf pool, claiming it's the fastest pool with 0% orphan and faster confirmation, but when i tried, it can't connect...


HERE ARE THE RESULTS after 18 hours of mining.
I stop the mining 5 hours ago, to let the blocs on pool to be mature and payouts done. If in the next hours there is more payouts, i will correct.

CPU 1 (xeon 2687W) on minergate (330H/s, merge mining) : 0.533054140795 XMR
CPU 2 (xeon 2687W, Wolf cpuminer) on crypto-pool.fr (~340 to 360H/s) : 0.603162341904 XMR
GPU (R9 280X, Claymore 2.2) on Crypto-pool.fr (325H/s) : 0.438738015254 XMR

Conclusion :
Fisrt, Minergate miner is not as good as Wolf's one, but do merge mining
CPU2 is a little better than the GPU in hashrate (up to 10%), but the difference in earnings is almost 25% (including 5% of fee)

I don't know if there is some sort of hidden fees or simply a performance issue due to the way the devfee is taken.
76  Local / Annonces / Re: [ANN] [XMR] Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature de cercle on: June 20, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
moi j'esperai un retour vers les 0.004 pour pouvoir refaire le plein..j'ai completement raté là.
Je me tate a en prendre, mais vu le prix, j'ai un peu la frousse. Je sais qu'a moyen terme j'y perdrai pas, mais immobiliser mes petits moyens plusieurs semaines ou plus, je suis pas chaud..

D'un autre coté, si ça continu a monter, je vais regretter de pas en avoir pris...




y'a pas une madame Irma là ?
77  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Mining on: June 20, 2014, 12:22:56 PM
People, if you are so concerned about gpuminer dev's greed, you can easily test it.

Does GPUminer use the same pool for fees as a miner? Why not run a pool and test it solo? Just calculate shares. It's easy. If there is another pool used, detect this pool and edit hosts file to redirect it to your pool, now you can measure.
Dev use the same pool as user.
Running a own private pool is easy, maybe, but not for everyone (i don't even know how to use linux)

For my concern, i don't think there is a hidden dev fee, but maybe a performance issue due to the manner that fee is collected.

I stop the miners, i run 2 xeon E5-2687W (one on minergate, one on crypto-pool.fr) and one R9 280x (on crypto-pool.fr)
I'm waiting for the block to be confirmed and paid to give results here.
(in a few hours)
78  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore MRO/QCN/FCN/BCN GPU Miner v2.2 on: June 20, 2014, 10:54:57 AM
Yes it work as a failover.
I am getting 293h/s with my 290x on windows 8.1 and cartalyst 14.6 beta.
I thought it should be more...
please read OP, and what the miner says at start : you need the 13.12 drivers to get the best performances.
On 13.12, i get 380H/s on a R9 280X. Only 280 with the same model of card and 14.6.

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FAILOVER
Use "pools.txt" to specify several pools. This file has text format, one address per line. If the first character of a line is ";" this line will be ignored.
Thank Claymore, please help me how can i put this file "pools.txt" for failover-pool.
I can not set backup-pool as cgminer.
pls help
You can add several pool in the command line (-o pool:port -u wallet -p x -o pool2:port -u wallet -p x )
OR
you can enter several pool in your pool.txt file (as the one wich come with the miner)
on each line, you put a pool address, and you specify one in your commande line + wallet + password

Interesting. Will it work as a failover like in cgminer ?

Yes, it work for failover
79  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [SPC][PoF] SaveCoin | Proof of Fund Coin | 64% Interest Annually / 0.137% Daily on: June 20, 2014, 10:06:12 AM
Interesting thing is you earn POS money even if they are on an exchange (coins are send to every address, including exchanges ones)
80  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore MRO/QCN/FCN/BCN GPU Miner on: June 20, 2014, 10:04:38 AM
Quote
FAILOVER

Use "pools.txt" to specify several pools. This file has text format, one address per line. If the first character of a line is ";" this line will be ignored.


Thank Claymore, please help me how can i put this file "pools.txt" for failover-pool.

I can not set backup-pool as cgminer.

pls help

You can add several pool in the command line (-o pool:port -u wallet -p x -o pool2:port -u wallet -p x )
OR
you can enter several pool in your pool.txt file (as the one wich come with the miner)
on each line, you put a pool address, and you specify one in your commande line + wallet + password
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