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I recently was told that the only difference in all these different "S" models is that when the Chip orders arrive, Bitmain tests them. The most efficient chips from the foundry are assembled into the "Pro" units and the less efficient chips are earmarked for the T's and E's and etc etc. I don't pretend to know about "chip quality" or manufacturing processes. How plausible does this sound to someone who knows this space?
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A lot, if not all, of the big farms started when btc price was less than $500/BTC; I think they will remain profitable for some time to come...
btc value is not the issue at hand - profitability is. You state they were profitable when BTC was under $500 that was also when BTC reward was 50 BTC not 25 BTC as BTC was at around $650 when the 2nd halving occurred. Though it was at around $300 about a year before the 2nd halving - if I recall correctly. What I mean is revenue, which will control the profit. However, there is more to revenue than just the BTC value. There is the transaction fees - which could go up and or down, there is the difficulty when it dips the amount of BTC per TH earnings increases and if the difficulty increases the amount of BTC per TH decreases.  but as with the prior halvings it has shown that with the decreased issuance of BTC has caused the value of BTC to increase to match the supply/demand of the market. but if the BTC value does not increase accordingly than there has to be some way for the farms to keep the revenue up. One of the things working for that is the increased efficiency of the newer miners. For years the efficiency was around 80J/TH but now with miners getting around 40J/TH - This increase in efficiency will help boost revenue by reducing the cost. There are many factors indeed and farms will work to remain in the green, of that I agree. But if BTC value goes down instead of going up - it will still tax even the best of farms. I should have went more in depth with my thoughts -and I acknowledge that this is my opinion and could be entirely wrong - but as with all speculation, it is just that speculation.  I think you are spot on. Truly the probability of a BTC price drop or flatline into the halving is over 65%. The probability of the Diff rising to flatline is also over 65%. If you're a miner, you better have your house in order prior to the halving. Efficiency up to date and costs dialed down to the lowest possible level. Also, NO DEBT. Institutional money sees the opportunity in sweeping the table on BTC longs and weak miners. Once the bloodletting is in full swing they will strike. Buying up BTC, Cheap Hardware and expanding commercial facilities. This is also my plan. |
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And what happens after halving? Will Bitcoin get cheaper? Or more expensive? How will this affect the complexity of the network? Many questions, few answers)
Difficulty will fall for a bit and then eventually rise back to where it was, and then keep rising. The value of bitcoin people will tell you all sorts of things about, but in my opinion the two are not linked in any way, and any associations people have made with bitcoin value and halving is just associating coincidental movements. I believe the value is dissociated and unrelated. My goodness, a voice of reason amongst the din. Jeesus...people look at me like I have three heads when I tell them this. Not to mention the ridiculous assumption that BTC goes up before the halving due to " Less Supply". Huh?? Less supply??? No it is still 21 million. Likely you will see MORE BTC for sale as poorly managed farms go under and liquidate their assets. ( BTC ). |
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Thats ok to tell me how it works, but with decent words not by offending me dont you think !?!?!?!?!?!!?!?
I dont know whats his problem. But anyways thanks to you but not to him.
I'm very hurt. So....the pictures?? The price? Which Forum member Escrow?? I didn't count but I think this is at least the 5th request. Forthcoming I'm sure.  correct - all the "abuse" he claims he is getting would cease if he carried thru with the 3rd post - but I also agree that all sellers should at least receive courtesy if they are new instead of being trashed on their first post. Save it for when they refuse to comply is my opinion. That being said OP has not provided any of the request information. Fair enough on it's face. But, I know exactly who this scammer is. He's been in here before under a different screen name. I dealt with him already. Same shit...different flies.I'll risk being rude to save someone getting ripped off. My work is done here. Be careful out there. |
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Thats ok to tell me how it works, but with decent words not by offending me dont you think !?!?!?!?!?!!?!?
I dont know whats his problem. But anyways thanks to you but not to him.
I'm very hurt. So....the pictures?? The price? Which Forum member Escrow?? I didn't count but I think this is at least the 5th request. Forthcoming I'm sure. |
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Wow man thats a hate forum here. It´s possible to use escrow service like www.escrow.com or similar and if you are not from Europe why at least are you texting, might be a lot of europeans here able to pick it up no? Price of S17 2400€ and S17Pro 2800€ So maybe any Europeans here interested, I will load them also on www.ebay.de, www.ebay.com and on www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.deNo one with half a brain will buy from you without one of our trusted forum members as the escrow agent and they will NOT give you a copy of their drivers license. I believe you're wasting your time here. Post pictures of yourself with a sign stating today's date and your screen name in front of the gear. State that you will absolutely use a trusted forum member for escrow INCLUDING SHIPPING cost and then you may get interest. If you're not willing to do those things, GTFO. |
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Yes I can provide such pictures, I offer local Pick up and selling via Escrow etc.
Yeah that's what the last scammer used as his pitch. Actually sent the pictures too. They were bogus. Sure, we'll just skip on over to Austria and pick up some miners. You won't take escrow because your going to ask for a picture of the Escrow member's drivers license. Which they will not do. So let's at least fast forward to that point and save people time. So thank you lowlife scammer, for your contribution. Take a picture of yourself holding your drivers license in the picture and standing in front of the miners. Then you'll be credible. |
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This at least a 95% probability that it is a scam. Looks exactly like that post from an AndyD about a month ago. That was 100% a scam. I would ignore this post.
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About a year ago Bitmain was on the brink of bankruptcy. It's really too bad that they didn't go over the edge. They are an insanely greedy Co that basically runs around raping and piledging everyone and everything that can put a $ in their swollen coffers. They are deceitful and self serving. Let's pray that the order of the Universe aligns against them and administers long overdue justice, to their cult of " Never enough money".
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whats your best price?
Hi, thank you for your interest. Give me an offer, please. By the way, I have one more S17 53T PRO. Just received this morning. Total list: 4 x S17 53T 1 x S17 53 PRO Hello, I sent you an offer by email. Also Telegram. Thanks |
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Yes Sir, I am not selling mine but if I were, I have about 100 that I would let go for $850.00 each. Sorry for the bad news.
I am not trying to break his balls but 850 to 1000 each is much closer to the right price. I know that's not your style or mine. It's best he has a realistic expectation from the market. If I could get anywhere near that price for S15's I'd sell mine immediately. But I know there is not a chance. |
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Yes Sir, I am not selling mine but if I were, I have about 100 that I would let go for $850.00 each. Sorry for the bad news.
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I got a shipment of S15's this way but I believe you have to buy a "bulk" order to get them from there. I'm guessing it's only certain models that they are making in that plant. It's fairly new so I suspect the capacity is somewhat limited.
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Hello,
I have a good friend who is looking to replace his S9's, with some modern miners.
Looking to pick up 4-5 S17 or S17+.
Will be interested in getting more in the near future.
LMK what you have.
I have Brand New 4 x S17 53T and 1 x S17 53T PRO. Location: 89410 Gardnerville NV USA I will take all 5 at $1,950.00 per unit. |
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LETS JUST SAY NOT EVERYONE PAYS TARRIF IF YOU KNOW WHERE TO BUY AND HOW TO DO IT..
oh great man who used to run $99 laptops but is now a LEO - do explain how to get around tariff... Bitmain is routing manufacturing and shipment through Malaysia. |
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an issue I just noticed is that my miner was supposed to ship Dec 21 - Dec 31. That email they sent states my shipment date is now Jan 1st to Jan 31st...
I now have to wait 2 weeks to a month longer? Is that why they are giving me 150 credit? If so, that sucks. especially as I can order a T17 today and pay almost the exact same price and get it shipped in a week and have it before Dec 1st but the one I ordered and paid for a month ago, I may not see until Feb?
This is classic Bitmain Shenanigans. Sorry man. They're brutal. |
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This is not a Bitmain originated email. It's a phishing scam to get you username and pass word. I would not reply to that.
Oh sorry, that IS a Bitmain email. I was wrong. Official Bitmain email address; webmaster@bitmaintech.com |
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Yes you are correct. One per miner. They usually impose a limit as to how much it can take off the price overall. 50% and under maybe?? Though these days maybe that's not an issue. I suspect coupons are never for that much off these newer units. Used to happen with the S9's as they came down in price. For ex; You can't use a $350 coupon on a $435 unit price. It will tell you on the screen during the order process what is applicable.
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Several months ago you bought in bulk and sold new miners antminer S15 from Bitmain directly in your data center - do you plan to do it again with newer models from Bitmain?
What is the price of used S15?
Do you plan to rise the hosting fee if/when BTC price rises?
Thank you for your questions! We plan to do that soon again. We have some StrongU on order relatively low cost. No. We plan to reduce rate because right now we have larger scale. Hopefully we will be more competitive very soon. Hey
Have u plan to keep those fees stable or they can evolve with the evolution of the bitcoins ?
I think we are right now more mature company with larger scale. We introduced larger scale at this point so rates are going down. Yes I see lower rates in your future...  |
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Bumpity Bump Bump.
Little late to the wagon train but this tool is awesome. Took some edumacations to figure it out but after perusing the thread all the answers are there. Big fan of yours! Keep on rocking. Still pretty young in the game, but if my Doge goes to the moon, I'll convert it to LTC and throw you a bone lol.
Bump this up still running. L3+ gear thank you I got 55 L3+ I'd like to convert. I don't have the time or knowledge to do this. If I remote you in on Team Viewer would you do these for a fee? Is it a lot of hours in work? |
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