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61  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 15, 2021, 07:53:23 AM
After almost 2 weeks we have ran out of LiteCoin , today we have added 300 Litecoin into our mixer
Fisrt come first serve
Happy mixing
62  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 14, 2021, 03:11:32 PM
I was basically writing something that resembled LoyceV's answer, but when i made my post i was told LoyceV already made one while i was typing up my reply... The only thing is that i was going to add a couple of links that pop up on the first page (the first 10 hits) when you do a google search for "fresh bitcoins":

source : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-30/bitcoin-believers-see-a-moonshot-rally-as-a-reward-for-halving
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... the reward Bitcoin miners receive for creating fresh bitcoins ...

source: https://cn.reuters.com/article/markets-bitcoin-mining-idINKCN0ZP060
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... computers like Streng’s which are awarded fresh bitcoins in return for processing blocks of the latest bitcoin transactions

source: https://crypto2cashhq.medium.com/chainalysis-expects-to-raise-100-million-paypal-buys-70-of-new-mined-btc-and-coinbase-suspend-1803f4f6df7f
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As is known, approximately 900 fresh bitcoins come onto the market per day, which is approximately 6,300 BTC per week.

source: https://99bitcoins.com/fresh-bitcoins-better-blocktrail-mint-sells-freshly-mined-btc/
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“Fresh Bitcoins are better”: BlockTrail Mint sells freshly mined BTC

As for the security header's issue:
Strict-Transport-Security
Content-Security-Policy
X-Frame-Options
X-Content-Type-Options
Referrer-Policy
Permissions-Policy

And last but not least.... If you must include thirth party javascript (eventough you could just load said javascript from your own server, so there's less chance of malicious code injection, at least use SRI...


Thank you for pointing out , We will look for better wordings. maybe "new set of coins" ?
any suggestions ?
63  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 14, 2021, 08:48:46 AM
Sorry for the late reply as we are in a holiday now since its Chinese New Year

Happy Year of the OX to everyone 过年好 / 過年好

Have a blessed year ahead

64  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 14, 2021, 08:47:07 AM
would fresh set of coins make more sense in this context ? although its from the farm , it could be from ages ...
I don't really get what you're trying to say here...
Fresh coins = coins coming from a coinbase reward, coins without history... This is basically the unofficial defenition of fresh coins... You already understood this from the start, since you initially said you were working with russian and chinese miners.

I personally think that somebody could make a lot of money selling the unspent outputs from a coinbase reward at a higher profit margin... The thing is: if you promise fresh coins, you have to deliver fresh coins, not start telling us the coinbase rewards are hidden, mixed, aged,... This means nothing to us, fresh = fresh, not mixed, split up, aged, hidden,.... Some of these things don't make any sense at all, hence i label them "smoke and mirrors" (in other words: a clever way of distracting people by dragging in a lot of technical details newbies might not comprehend).

Age does NOT come into this equation by the way. Like i said in my previous post: if Satoshi himself would sell the coinbase reward of one of the first couple of hundred blocks he mined 10 years ago, the unspent output funding the buyer's address would only be 1 step away from a coinbase reward, hence it would be called "fresh" by any definition of the word. Fresh has nothing to do with age, but only with the distance between the analysed unspent output and the unspent output generated as a coinbase reward.


so what would be the best wordings to your suggestions.

We dispense fresh set of coins ?

just to note we are not a mixer that takes your coin and mix it, we dispense a new set of coins
I don't really have a suggestion... The thing is: you can not, under any circumstances promise to dispense "fresh coins from russian and chinese mining farms" but then send somebody funds that are in no way coming from any mining reward dozens of levels deep. It's just that simple...

If you open up a butcher shop and you sell only pig's meat, you cannot sell (cheaper) chicken's meat instead. You said you were selling pig, when i get the meat i bought from you analysed, it better be coming from a pig. If it's chicken, the exuse that the chicken was fed some expired pig's meat a week ago will not stand.
You are selling fresh coins, so they'd better be fresh. If not you'll need to rebrand your operation. The blockchain is an open ledger. Anybody can parse all the blocks and follow the trail of unspent outputs. If you twist the truth, you'll get caught.
There's a market for a normal mixer, there is no shame in being one... There probably will be a market for somebody that doesn't want his mixing output coming from other clients of your mixer.... There's probably a market for people that want to be payed using funds that can be directly linked to coinbase rewards... Just see which category you fit in and tell the truth... That's the only way you'll have a sustainable business. If you twist the truth, you'll start getting negative trust on bitcointalk and other forum's, you'll get negative reviews on many platforms, you'll get negative messages on twitter, reddit,... and you'll only get a handfull customers a day.


I see you didn't answer a single one of my questions, so i'll ask them again... Could you please provide an answer?
  • Do you stand by your claim that says you're providing fresh coins?
  • Do you understand that, in the bitcoin world, fresh means: "coming from a coinbase reward"?
  • Is TryNinja telling the truth when he posted the withdrawal transaction id?
  • Do you see a flaw in my logic when i dug 5000 of the closest transactions funding TryNinja's output and only found 2 very distant coinbase rewards adding allmost nothing?
  • Do you see a flaw in my logic when i calculated that only 0,000000000000000019% of the value funding TryNinja's "clean" addresses comes from a coinbase reward from the 5000 closest transactions funding those clean addresses?
  • Are you still unwilling to let your partners prove they are real miners by mining a block using a new address as a coinbase reward without adding an identifying OP_RETURN and sign a message using this new address (so there is no way to identify them?)
  • Last time, i identified the 2 blocks that could very remotely be linked to TryNinja's output to be coming from 1THash&58COIN. Are they your partners?
  • Apparently, in a PM to Vod, you claimed to have "a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address". If this is true, you should share the technical details... If it's just security trough obscurity you are NOT protecting your clients. Only by sharing technical details, we can asses if the method you claim to have discovered is valid, and will keep on protecting your clients in the future. If you are unwilling to give the method, i can only assume it does not exist, or it's a method that will sooner or later be discovered by others that can then use it to de-anonimise your past clients
  • Do you understand that, when you say you have 50 BTC but proof nothing, we are a big sceptical?
  • Do you understand that, when you say you have 50 BTC but your site tells us you have >5000 BTC, you are putting complete trust in the hands of your partners?Huh What if somebody initialises a 100 BTC mix and your partner's api is not completely working (or then ran away), you'll be standing there unable to provide a mix eventough you promised to do so?
  • Once again: are you the developer or are you defending somebody else's script?
  • Once again: do you understand all the technical details of your operations or did you pay somebody else to do it for you?
  • Once again: why are the security headers not yet fixed
  • Why do you run an nginx version with known vulnerability's
  • Why do you include external javascript


Okay we will answer the questions


  • Do you stand by your claim that says you're providing fresh coins?
- Yes we dispense fresh set of coins which is not mixed with clients old coins. Its a fresh new set of coins . Unlike mixers, we do not mix the coins rather dispense new fresh set of coins independent of the received coins

  • Do you understand that, in the bitcoin world, fresh means: "coming from a coinbase reward"?
Fresh means new set of coins

  • Is TryNinja telling the truth when he posted the withdrawal transaction id?
We are not able to check due to how the privacy of the mixer. We have to take his word for it. There is no logs therefore we cant check 

  • Do you see a flaw in my logic when i dug 5000 of the closest transactions funding TryNinja's output and only found 2 very distant coinbase rewards adding allmost nothing?
The coins received has no relationship between received and sent account, Therefore its fresh , We buy this fresh coins

  • Do you see a flaw in my logic when i calculated that only 0,000000000000000019% of the value funding TryNinja's "clean" addresses comes from a coinbase reward from the 5000 closest transactions funding those clean addresses?
It could be mixed with coinbase and miners reward as transaction fees

  • Are you still unwilling to let your partners prove they are real miners by mining a block using a new address as a coinbase reward without adding an identifying OP_RETURN and sign a message using this new address (so there is no way to identify them?)
We have signed an NDA with our clients that provides us with the new set of coins, therefore we cant 

  • Last time, i identified the 2 blocks that could very remotely be linked to TryNinja's output to be coming from 1THash&58COIN. Are they your partners?
We are not able to reveal as this is against the security mechanism of our system

  • Apparently, in a PM to Vod, you claimed to have "a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address". If this is true, you should share the technical details... If it's just security trough obscurity you are NOT protecting your clients. Only by sharing technical details, we can asses if the method you claim to have discovered is valid, and will keep on protecting your clients in the future. If you are unwilling to give the method, i can only assume it does not exist, or it's a method that will sooner or later be discovered by others that can then use it to de-anonimise your past clients
The interesting thing about our mixer, There is no way to identify the senders and the receivers since we send out new set of fresh coins from the coins sent, we are not a mixer rather a new set of coins dispenser. thats why we cant mix unlimited amount of coins rather only available fresh coins.

  • Do you understand that, when you say you have 50 BTC but proof nothing, we are a big sceptical?
It doesn't really matter if we hold 0 or 100BTC or 5000 BTC as long as we are able to perform the mixing. We said because you asked else its really doesnt matter. As long as there is no scam acquisition, we shall assume the mixer is mixing without issues.

  • Do you understand that, when you say you have 50 BTC but your site tells us you have >5000 BTC, you are putting complete trust in the hands of your partners?Huh What if somebody initialises a 100 BTC mix and your partner's api is not completely working (or then ran away), you'll be standing there unable to provide a mix eventough you promised to do so?
In event we cant fullfill the mix , we will return the amount back to senders address unmixed, thats why we need time between 5 minutes to 12 hours random delay. This serves as 2 security ,
1) for us to get funds if its more than 50BTC which we hold , else we need to get from our partners. we have a fail prove understanding with the partners such a way that we dont deal in trust , rather an escrow
2) random delay so there is no database setting an exact time of dispense to truly cut the trail. No prove, no case

so far we never had a problem 

 
  • Once again: are you the developer or are you defending somebody else's script?
The owner is the developer

  • Once again: do you understand all the technical details of your operations or did you pay somebody else to do it for you?
The owner understands the mechanism

  • Once again: why are the security headers not yet fixed
Which ?

  • Why do you run an nginx version with known vulnerability's
every server has vulnerabilities , even apache , we have patched the server with latest patch and also work consistently keeping the server safe. another mechanism is we have an external server (2 talkless database) that takes the info from the database and replace it with gibberish data on our main server. even we get hacked, the data there is just a decoy. We have taken many security steps to ensure safety.   

  • Why do you include external javascript
To make our site scroll nicer with better effects, it also runs when javascript disabled


We hope this answers much of the questions . Thank you for the deep research and we and the community would really thank you for it
65  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 10, 2021, 06:12:33 PM
would fresh set of coins make more sense in this context ? although its from the farm , it could be from ages ...
so what would be the best wordings to your suggestions.

We dispense fresh set of coins ?

just to note we are not a mixer that takes your coin and mix it, we dispense a new set of coins
66  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 10, 2021, 08:08:53 AM
WOW you really did a intensive analysis on this transaction.

Thank you for the analysis

You are a true genius



Despite wild accusation that we are holding 5000 btc or not holding 5000 btc,

and our coins quality ,

We dispense fresh mined coins , aged and new coins mixed within our ecosystem . We do not mix with clients coins. We are not a mixer rather fresh coin dispenser which truly cuts the trail from blockchain forensics

Our customer service will be here to.

Feel free to contact us here , we will reply within 24 hours , 5 days a week

Should you need our attention on SOS basis, you can contact us at whalemixer@protonmail.com

However if anyone finds flaws in our safety of our mixing , kindly discuss (This is more important to us and safety of our clients are more important) rather than whether you trust or you dont trust our ability of handling 5000 BTC mixing. We have taken many measures to ensure safety of our clients however we will continue to keep it secured to be the best fresh coin dispenser on this planet, so good that mixing will be so last generation



Today is an amazing day  .

Whalemixer.com has received record number of mixing  .

This is our highest volume mixing since launched  .

We would like to thank everyone that's supporting our system and many more to come  .

much much much love to our beloved clients  .



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67  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 08, 2021, 01:58:03 PM


As we said this coins are freshly minted coins , its aged and its mixed with fresh coins to avoid blockchain forensics to locate our main fresh coin account, its not mixed with tainted or clients coins.

if some of the coins has many levels deep before the coinbase , it coulds be due to our internal mixer thats mixed it to multi level.

What set us different from other mixers is , they mix with other clients coins, where else we dont. We do not mix cliensts coins before dispensing

68  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 07, 2021, 08:39:33 AM
Despite wild accusation that we are holding 5000 btc or not holding 5000 btc

It's a wild statement to claim you hold any btc at all.  It's a simple accusation that you are lying.
I sent you instructions on how we can kill all discussion of your honesty and start discussing your service.

Why won't you prove anything?

Because we feel you are the f3ds or int3rpol trying to fish our main account.
You do realize that if we reveal our holding account. Then our mix will no longer be secured as there will be ability to trace to our clients account ? We are not able to reveal our account that holds our funds .

Its really okay if you trust us or not about our total holdings, but we cant reveal the main holding account with all our funds due to security concerns

Hope this helps to understand why we react such.
69  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 06, 2021, 12:32:30 PM
By doing this , It truly cuts the trail

Geez man, I've already figured out how to use Quantum services to re-acquire address ownership after mixers.   Do you understand what "fungible" means?  Each coin is identical - there is no such thing as a "tainted" coin if it has no trail/history..

Anyway, I received your PM explaining your situation and asking me to trust you.  You've made two extraordinary claims.  First, that you have 50BTC and your partners have another 5,000BTC.  Second, you claim to have a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address.  

Therefore I understand that your signing a message with coin is impossible since it will reveal your sending address.  So I propose this:

1) Tell your partners you could not convince us you have half a billion dollars on your word alone.  (Sorry)
2) Ask them to do a test transaction and send a clean coin to an address you control.  
3) Sign that address with a message.

If you cannot do that, please do not contact me again.  

Smiley



We undestand you want to view our partners main holding account , as we said This will compromise our clients account and this will effect the safety of the mixing. We cant do that. although this will lead to trust that we have over 5000 BTC for mixing, but we value our mixing quality. Quality means more than whether you are trying to fish our main account .

We understand what you wanna see but we cant show that . I am sorry this has to end abrupt . We have to protect our customers at all cost .

Thanks for your concern

Have a great day
70  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 05, 2021, 03:51:04 PM
Well , as we said before and even stated on our site, we dispense fresh mixed coins
This are aged coins from freshly mined coins which are mixed within our ecosystem to cut the vendors details (Our miners) to make it look like its genuine coins but the difference with other mixers are , we do not mix coins from clients and dispense as this is just basically mixing dirty coins with dirty coins and if one gets flagged, all the mixing gets flagged. Although there will be no evidence of whose coin is whose, but it will definitely raise a flag 

Our mixer takes freshly minted coins, some are old and some are new , mixed within our ecosystem, broken into smaller batches to dispense. once dispensed, the remaining unspent balance are mixed again before the next payout.

By doing this , It truly cuts the trail . Then the not clean money are used by other means and never allowed back into the same pool where the fresh coins are. Thats why we have a limit of fresh coins available and only able to operate as long as we have this funds available. We are not like other mixer that use the same funds and coinjoin to make it harder and deeper to track but definitely not impossible especially using fuzzy logic neural network to track point of origin.

Well we still like to believe that our system still outperforms many mixers out there since we are not a mixer. We dispense fresh coins which are farmed , aged and mix within our ecosystem .

Try doing a block forensics on our outputs and you can never tell its from a mixer or the relations with the input coins since the dispensed coins are totally independent fresh set of coins

We are not new kids on the block. We been dispensing fresh coins for a while now. We been only a new kid on this forum as our founders are paying us for marketing and ramping up marketing efforts . Our clientele goes beyond this forum and time...

We will keep this forum running in event of any service notices or if anyone can find a flaw in our system that actually puts the mixing outputs at risk. We truly appreciate to keep our clients safe and we would like to be in business for many times to come.

We apologies to our clients as much info were given but do ensure, We only give information that does not put you and me at risk. The information given was only basic understanding of our ecosystem but not the actual mechanics or even the proof of the holding blocks that everyone is trying to fish out . We will never reveal our master account under any circumstances as we consider this as a major leak of information...

Nice try btw trying to fish for details, btw are you guys int3rpol or the F3ds ? trying to shut us down by looking for reasons ? because we are truly cutting the trails ? feel challenged ?? because we are different from other mixers ? and there is no way of tracking the mixing ? Nice try

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71  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 05, 2021, 12:53:49 PM
So we got a couple of quick reviews, all written 2 days ago from one medium account about the Best Top 5 Cryptocurrency Tumbler (Reliable Bitcoin Mixer 2020/2021) and the 4 Reliable Working Bitcoin mixer/blender 2021 and guess what? A brand new and lesser known Whalemixer is among them. Fishy.

Same person Rebecca Simon Teller has never written anything else and both articles are written in the same day with lot of space given for whalemixer.
What else is strange? Not a single word in this articles is written about best and well known mixing service Chipmixer Smiley
archive1, archive2

...
Good work, and it looks like there are no fresh coins here but just more false claims made by them.

And what to say about over 1130 less Bitcoins in one day...
one day 5279.07 Bitcoins, day after 4145.99 Bitcoins (on screen)


Hi there , we never claimed we have 5000 plus BTC
We can get this from our available BTC from our partners, in form of fresh coins
This is the amount available to be mixed,
I have mentioned in our forum that we hold ard 50 BTC
plz review the trust posted ..

72  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 05, 2021, 12:07:08 PM
  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins. 
Why did you mention that the coin is fresh as long as it has been mixed up? This means that it may have been mixed with unknown sources.
Can you prove any claim with your site?

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Coins are freshly mixed from our mining farms


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Receiving and sending databases are saparated

 Huh Huh Huh

According to your TOS:  https://whalemixer.com/termsofuse/

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WhaleMixer has no access to your cryptocurrency wallets used for sending or receiving crypto coins. The responsibility for the use of your wallets lies solely with you.
You say that data is deleted within 24 hours, yet you do not receive or send money?

NO NO NO, our coins are mixed within our fresh coins only. Then broken down into smaller account holdings and after sending the coins , it gets mixed with other fresh coins and broken down again to smaller accounts. WE STRICTLY DO NOT MIX FUNDS FROM THE DIRTY COINS , that will reveal the sender and receiver . Thats a big no for the security of our system.

Yes our TOS means that your wallet is your wallet. We only send to your wallet address but have no control over your private key or your wallet holdings including reusing it, redistributing the address or even passing to any 3rd party. it will defy the purpose of the mixer itself. ALL LOGS ARE DESTROYED IN 24 HOURS or you can choose to delete it manually after receiving the funds ...

As for our 2 talkless database , we have many other security in place such as 2 talkless database to serve as decoy in event the main database is compromised. Our second database takes that info from the first database and replace irrelevent data on the info on first database to serve as decoy... yeah our developers are genius much ( things we detail to ensure fullest security for our clients)
73  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 05, 2021, 11:57:23 AM
--snip--
This coins are not directly from the miners account and surely not mined realtime and sent to clients , that will compromise the miners and easy to trace the origin. Rather this coins are broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged.  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins.  

We can ensure that this coins are not circulated rather broken into smaller accounts either by our partners or our own mechanism to ensure safety of the mixing.

Can u see the flaws if we directly send coins thats minted directly without mixing it and breaking it to smaller amount ? Yes , if one address is compromised, all gets compromised. Thats the reason why we age the coins and break it smaller and mix it before dispensing to our clients.


Sorry, but i don't see a flaw in sending directly minted coins... If your miners use a fresh address to get funded by the coinbase rewards, there is nothing to trace or compromise... If You would have used the coinbase reward and payed mixing outputs using this reward only i wouldn't have been able to trace back > 100 levels deep, my trace would have stopped at the coinbase reward, and i would only have been able to link the clients that had been payed with the same reward together, but now i would have been able to link every client that has been payed > 100 levels deep...

You say that the freshly minted coins are "broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged". This basically means that the people using the (thirth party) mixer used to MIX their coinbase reward received freshly minted coins... Your customers just receive post-mix unspent outputs that could potentially be linked to criminal activity instead of mining... This makes you a normal mixer, not a mixer where your clients will receive coinbase rewards.

Your business promises people "fresh coins", not outputs from a different mixer.


The reason we mix the coins internally within fresh coins is so that say we send out to 2 clients with the same block reward, the 1st party will know who the 2nd party is.
By doing an internal mixing to avoid this to ensure safety. At this level none of the clients can see another clients because this dust transactions gets mixed again with other fresh coins before dispensing again. Old coins are used for different purpose and never used in remixing again, only fresh coins are broken into smaller amount after mixing.

forensic can never find the actual sender by this mechanism and another client can never find the other clients address too.

if you find a 100 level deep transaction, it is the miner fee for the transaction mixed along with this dust .

we promise fresh coins but its aged and mixed with only fresh coins. we never mix with dirty clients coins

hope this explains our mechanism
74  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 05, 2021, 11:11:03 AM
So we got a couple of quick reviews, all written 2 days ago from one medium account about the Best Top 5 Cryptocurrency Tumbler (Reliable Bitcoin Mixer 2020/2021) and the 4 Reliable Working Bitcoin mixer/blender 2021 and guess what? A brand new and lesser known Whalemixer is among them. Fishy.

Same person Rebecca Simon Teller has never written anything else and both articles are written in the same day with lot of space given for whalemixer.
What else is strange? Not a single word in this articles is written about best and well known mixing service Chipmixer Smiley
archive1, archive2

...
Good work

And what to say about over 1130 less Bitcoins in one day...
one day 5279.07 Bitcoins, day after 4145.99 Bitcoins (on screen)



As for the available coins, when a request is made , we allocate certain amount for that mix , this balance will get refreshed after 24 hours. We have over 700 request today with around 200 actual mixing performed. plus the actuall amount balance from our miners has reduced. We are a little worried since of the fresh coins are no more available... we will be out of business , as we are already having trouble getting litecoin for almost 3 weeks now.

Apparently our marketing outsource is doing their job. Rebecca Simon Teller
We spent some on hiring marketing team and looks like they came up with this kind of strategy, and more will be coming as well.
I am impressed with their work. This actually appeared on google search ? impressive .... very impressive
Thats why we are having a higher volume on our mixing this past few days... We were wondering where this traffic were coming from.

This coins are not directly from the miners account and surely not mined realtime and sent to clients , that will compromise the miners and easy to trace the origin. Rather this coins are broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged.  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins. 

We can ensure that this coins are not circulated rather broken into smaller accounts either by our partners or our own mechanism to ensure safety of the mixing.

Can u see the flaws if we directly send coins thats minted directly without mixing it and breaking it to smaller amount ? Yes , if one address is compromised, all gets compromised. Thats the reason why we age the coins and break it smaller and mix it before dispensing to our clients.
75  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 05, 2021, 10:55:56 AM
our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.
--snip--
Anyways, I received my coins. I decided to use two addresses expecting to receive two different transactions, but everything was sent at once on a single pay-to-many transaction. Here is the transaction for those who are curious about where the coins come from and want to verify if they are really fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings: a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a
--snip--

You are MUCH braver than I am... I'd never use my own funds to test a new mixer Smiley
Anyways.... Let's get cracking...



This coins are not directly from the miners account and surely not mined realtime and sent to clients , that will compromise the miners and easy to trace the origin. Rather this coins are broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged.  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins. 

We can ensure that this coins are not circulated rather broken into smaller accounts either by our partners or our own mechanism to ensure safety of the mixing.

Can u see the flaws if we directly send coins thats minted directly without mixing it and breaking it to smaller amount ? Yes , if one address is compromised, all gets compromised. Thats the reason why we age the coins and break it smaller and mix it before dispensing to our clients.





76  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 05, 2021, 10:41:40 AM
our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.
I'm aware of that, but it shouldn't say "waiting for funds", "0 BTC received" or "0 out of 4 confirmations" when I had a tx with 30+ confirmations.

Anyways, I received my coins. I decided to use two addresses expecting to receive two different transactions, but everything was sent at once on a single pay-to-many transaction. Here is the transaction for those who are curious about where the coins come from and want to verify if they are really fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings: a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a

Some other things I noticed:

- You can write pretty much anything you want on the address field (e.g AAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBB)
- There is no mention to fees anywhere on the website, yet I sent 0.00082702 BTC and received 0.00066796 BTC (~80%). I know you have to pay for the transaction fees, etc... but how much was the mining fees and how much was your service fee? There is no way of knowing.
- Your BTC "available fresh coins" went down from 5283.26 to 4146.24; Are you really implying that you mixed 1137.02 BTC on a single day? lol

I am glad you tested our services and the workabouts.


and the reason for waiting for funds , This is also a security feature. When there is no evidence that a coin is received, there is no evidence to mention that the coin received is any part of the coins sent. we delete logs every 24 hours, in event anythings happens during this period, there will not be any evidence ,

we have many other security in place such as 2 talkless database to serve as decoy in event the main database is compromised. Our second database takes that info from the first database and replace irrelevent data on the info on first database to serve as decoy... yeah our developers are genius much ( things we detail to ensure fullest security for our clients)

As for the miners fee , you can check on the blockchain how much was paid , we do not collect more than 1%-2.99% the average is around USD 2-4 / address at this time

As for the available coins, when a request is made , we allocate certain amount for that mix , this balance will get refreshed after 24 hours. We have over 700 request today with around 200 actual mixing performed. plus the actuall amount balance from our miners has reduced. We are a little worried since of the fresh coins are no more available... we will be out of business , as we are already having trouble getting litecoin for almost 3 weeks now.

Thank you for using our services Smiley
77  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 05, 2021, 08:09:52 AM
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whalemixer1

There are many mixers that bitcointalk members have used and reviewed (as I have done myself).  The above members are very knowledgeable, and you should consider listening to them.  There have been a lot of BTC mixer scams over these many years since I joined this forum.

Yes!  A service to provide coins direct from miners could be very popular.  Clean coins at a good price, oh yeah.

Because of the many, many problems with scammers, trust needs to be earned here.  The above suggestions are good ones.  It would not cost you much to offer some special deals or signed messages, perhaps by Private Message to some of the above.  LeGaulois, Vod, dkbit98 and mocacinno are all trusted members here; ALL of whom I have learned from.

Like I said, your service could become very popular, but you have to make the first moves to begin to gain trust here.  If you do it right (do what you promise, show some transparency, etc.), your service could make you a lot of money and make your customers happy.

"Your move, sirs."

Thank you for the kind words and advice,

We are not able to sign off blocks as they will reveal our holding account of our BTC which couls be used by blockchain forensics. We like to keep our fresh coins safe from forensics.

Yes i agree , fresh coins are more safer than mixing coins since the trace is fully detached.

Maybe the only way is getting feedback from people that has used the services and keeping a 0 negative report for a long time will eventually create the trust.

We have all the time as we are already in the biz since 2020 and we are just new in this forum. It will take time i guess to get trust from this platform.

Once again. Thank you for the good words Smiley
78  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 05, 2021, 06:03:55 AM
So... what is happening that I sent $30 over 3 hours ago, the tx already has 25 confirmations and the status page shows the following?

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Amount Received
0 Bitcoin

Status
Waiting For Funds

Current Confirmation
0 out of 4

Hi there,

our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.

Say you mix and set a delay, and receive funds at that set delay... a blockchain forensics can easily co relate this 2 transaction and point that this was the mixed funds.

rather our system is random delay so there is no way to co relate the sender and receiver. please check if the funds has entered after few hours . else please do contact us or update the forum .

Thank you for using our services and as appreciation on using our services , we giving you USD 15 - kindly send your BTC address
We are happy to see our users of our platform since we dont hear from them after a mix since its all anonymous.
79  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 05, 2021, 05:54:33 AM
So we got a couple of quick reviews, all written 2 days ago from one medium account about the Best Top 5 Cryptocurrency Tumbler (Reliable Bitcoin Mixer 2020/2021) and the 4 Reliable Working Bitcoin mixer/blender 2021 and guess what? A brand new and lesser known Whalemixer is among them. Fishy.

Apparently our marketing outsource is doing their job.
We spent some on hiring marketing team and looks like they came up with this kind of strategy, and more will be coming as well.
I am impressed with their work. This actually appeared on google search ? impressive .... very impressive
Thats why we are having a higher volume on our mixing this past few days... We were wondering where this traffic were coming from. 
80  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins on: February 05, 2021, 05:47:25 AM
this balance are in an address that is connected to our API in the system. We are able to see the available balance in realtime so we know how much coins are able to dispense.

As I mentioned in PM when you demanded I remove your negative trust, have one of your partners sign an address holding at least 10btc.  If they refuse, you are being scammed and if you refuse, you are the scammer.

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We hold around 50 BTC in total reserve of mined coins for this

Or sign that one...

Hi VOD,

I requested not demand because we were accused of something without proper checking. accusing is easy but without prove is abit not fair. have you used the services to make such claims ?

we are not able to sign an address as it will compromise the quality of mixing as the address will be known to public. This effects the mixing anonymity.

 
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