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61  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How would online Bitcoin commerce work? on: October 12, 2011, 05:58:26 PM
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts#Example_2:_Escrow_and_dispute_mediation

tl;dr Bitcoin could support a transaction that can be spent to either of 2 addresses, and must be signed by 2 of 3 parties in order to be spent. Either buyer + seller, buyer + mediator, seller + mediator can agree that the transaction should go back to the buyer, or to the seller.
Wow, that's really interesting.  Thanks for the info.
62  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How would online Bitcoin commerce work? on: October 12, 2011, 05:42:38 PM
The issue of disputes isn't a bitcoin issue.  Bitcoin = digital cash.  What happens if you use cash to buy xyz from abc company and they rip you off.  Can you call the Federal Reserve and request a chargeback of the cash transaction?  Yet cash (and other coinage) has been used for thousands of years.
Cash requires a face to face exchange that you don't have online.  Cash has existed for thousands of years, but how many transactions are conducted by sending cash through the mail?  Not many, and almost none where you don't have prior face to face experience. 

To achieve widespread adoption, we have to explain to people how they're not just mailing cash to anonymous craigslist sellers and hoping the computer / couch / buttplug shows up a few days later.
63  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How would online Bitcoin commerce work? on: October 12, 2011, 05:33:21 PM

With more advanced scripting accepted by the network, escrow can occur directly in the block chain, though some new partial transaction shipping protocols may be necessary.
Sounds interesting, can you give more details about how this would work?
64  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How would online Bitcoin commerce work? on: October 12, 2011, 03:14:20 AM
The key is to have a rating of some sort, so people have a reputation to protect. Why do big companies give good service? So people will keep coming back, they need to protect their image.

It would be useful for somebody to set up a place where bitcoin businesses can be rated, where people can give feedback and reviews. Of course, with places such as these, you have to watch out for people shilling for themselves, building up fake reputation to scam unwary customers. It is quite a dilemma.


This is the tricky part, though.  If you go with a centralized site, like Amazon's Marketplace, you kill off one of the best features of online commerce:  the ability for small sites to put competitive pressure on the big sites by offering lower prices due to their low overhead.  

Otherwise, just relying on reputation and ratings requires much savvier consumers (and can still be manipulated by shills) and seems like it will heavily favor the bigger players.  New sites will have a hard time getting off the ground since they'll be competing head to head with the scammers for customers who are willing to take a chance to get a good deal.  Meanwhile, the bigger sites can jack up their prices and charge people for the "privilege" of not getting ripped off.
65  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / How would online Bitcoin commerce work? on: October 12, 2011, 02:52:17 AM
I've been following Bitcoin for a while now, and one hurdle to its use as a currency I'm not seeing how to overcome is the lack of accountability in online commerce. 

Online shopping works in large part because you know that if BudgetComputer.com doesn't send you the memory they promised, you can always sic Visa on them.  With Bitcoin, one party has to hand over their goods or money without any way of knowing that the other party will hold up their end of the bargain.  And if they don't, there's nothing you can do about it.

What is to stop people from putting up websites, collecting money, and then simply disappearing with it?  Wouldn't adoption of Bitcoin essentially drive out small businesses as people flock to the larger sites like Newegg and Amazon, in the hopes that a big company is less likely to rob you than a small one?
66  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: At what pricepoint is bitcoin dead? on: October 10, 2011, 02:12:03 AM
I can't see making any money on the trading either really.

Great. I'm all for a rapid fall in the BTC/$ exchange rate followed by an immensely stable price point if so only to drive away all the traders.

If we want to replace the way the economy works I see no point in creating a second Wall Street. The worst part of Wall Street even, the ponzi schemers.

This.  The sooner we lose the skeevy pump and dump crowd, the better.  People like Atlas who just want to attract buyers of Bitcoin as a get rich quick commodity make it impossible for Bitcoin to succeed as a currency.  I hope they all go broke.
67  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Somebody is spamming Twitter with Bitcoin on: October 08, 2011, 10:14:26 PM
A lot of speculators have been using bit coin like a pump and dump penny stock, but are now on the wrong side of the hill.  Once they all go broke maybe the price will stabilize (or at least stop changing by25% in any given week) and we can have another try at using it as a currency like it was originally intended.
68  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTS] Domain: playcasinobtc.com on: September 29, 2011, 04:14:41 PM

I don't think you understand.

You have made it clear many times that you have access to very little money if any. Let us say that the very first person who plays at your casino wins a 50BTC jackpot. How are you going to pay them? Where will the funds come from?
It's very simple.  When you make a bet and the Bitcoin transfer clears (2-3 days), logansryche will drive to the nearest Indian casino and put the money where you said.  If you win, he collects the winnings, converts them into Bitcoins, and sends them to you.  If he's smart, he'll take a small percentage (maybe 10%) to cover his expenses.

I don't see what's so hard about this.
69  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Isn't it a bad thing to never have more than 21 million coins? on: September 28, 2011, 11:47:33 PM
I think the 21 million coin limit is a fatal flaw in Bitcoin, but luckily we won't reach it for a while.  So we still have a normal inflationary currency for now.
70  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: September 28, 2011, 11:45:31 PM
Hi!  I mined several Bitcoins back when the difficulty was much lower. 
71  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why are you deleting all my posts? on: September 28, 2011, 11:44:32 PM
I'm trying to hit my five post limit.  And how is my "please whitelist me" post in the White List Request thread a spam post?
72  Other / Beginners & Help / Why are you deleting all my posts? on: September 28, 2011, 11:40:47 PM
I'm trying to make my five posts so I can get out of Newbie land and someone keeps deleting all my posts, even my very innocuous white list request.  What's going on??
73  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: bitcoinexchange.cc is not delivering what they promised on: September 28, 2011, 11:37:44 PM
This is why I try to only patronize established businesses with good reputations.
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