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61  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Beamer 2015 WSOP World Series of Poker Sponsorship‏ on: July 02, 2015, 05:31:00 PM
I don't get your point, so every donator can get 1% of your winnings? So if only 10 donators, so they only take 10% of your winning, and you took the remaining 90%? It is not fair for them cos if they don't donate u, you won't earn any money.

IMO the donators take 80-90% of the winnings and you take 10-20%, that's better.

Fox, you are entitled to your opinion about the percentage splits but you are simply not understanding the math of this whole deal. The percentage of the winnings is determined by how much BTC you put in. Maybe someone else can explain this to you better.

Fox did state it incorrectly, but I fully understand your math.  When a player's entry is covered by an investor they generally take 85%, after the entry fee is recouped.  You are only giving the investors 45% which is close to 50% of what they should be getting.

As for you calling it an sponsorship you know that is BS, because a sponsorship would get ZERO back therefore it is an investment.

Still believe that a team would have been a better idea for investors as long as you could prove their advance poker players.

Hope to see you here at the WSOP, I'll keep an eye out.

62  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Beamer 2015 WSOP World Series of Poker Sponsorship‏ on: July 01, 2015, 10:56:02 PM
I am confused about how much are you actually using as a markup. You are looking for 45 BTC , and for 1 BTC you are paying 1% of the winnings. Isn't that a markup of slightly over 50% only for the sake of bitcoin advertisement ?

I was pretty confused as well.  If I'm reading it right, he is selling 1BTC for 1% of NET winnings, meaning that the break-even point for investors would be somewhere in the area of a $35,000 cash.  This would mean that he needs to place near the top 100 of ~6500 players... or a 1/65 chance of breaking even for investors.

No this is also incorrect Dogedigital. Any cash means the investors get their BTC back. Then you subtract that amount from the payout and then each investor gets 1% of the net winnings. Here's an example...I win $100,000. Since the buy in is $10,000 you would subtract that from the $100K leaving $90K to divide up. If you had sent me 1 BTC then you would get your 1 BTC back which represents part of the $10K buy in and then you would get 1% of $90K which is $900.

So again you are not taking out the full 45 BTC worth to return to investors, as you are keeping 11.25% for yourself then keeping another 55% for yourself.  Horrible investment.
63  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Beamer 2015 WSOP World Series of Poker Sponsorship‏ on: July 01, 2015, 01:53:54 PM
1% for 1btc? lol thats a crazy markup

Agreed, he's wanting to keep 55% of profit without risking his own funds.  Maybe someone could get behind this if he wanted 15%-20% but not 55%.

Besides Micon is playing at the WSOP with Bitcoin hat and shirt, and he has much more following because of his legal issues in the poker community.  Backing someone that says let get Bitcoin out there would have to work at promoting Bitcoin, and not focus on poker.

(UPDATE)

It would be better to setup a team of 5 professional, pay entry fee + 15% to play.  This team would keep 17.50% of winnings after reimbursement of the initial investment.  This still makes it worthwhile for the player to work hard, yet gives them compensation for all expenses, and their value to the team.

So any winnings less then the initial outlay would go back to investors only, and percentage of the investment would be based on the amount of Bitcoins.  Based on $250 valuation this would be 230 BTC.

Bet you we could get Micon part of this team.
64  Economy / Gambling / Re: POLL: Lottery Question Regarding Guaranteed 2,000,000 m฿ Jackpot on: June 27, 2015, 08:21:06 PM
Would love to try this.  Spend about $20 a week already on lottery and would like to see a Bitcoin Lottery that's just as enjoyable.
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