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61  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How Much Time You Need to Mine 1 Bitcoin? on: November 13, 2012, 07:08:40 PM
You seem to claim in other posts to be running a bit coin related company yet don't know this?

And have even asked this before?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121842.msg1311146#msg1311146

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62  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Guiminer .5 BTC Bounty for solution! :) on: November 13, 2012, 07:04:20 PM
Hello guys, Looking for a solution to a problem .5btc to the single best answer that helps me fix it.

Running guiminer on windoze I can connect to the bitclockers pool, and slush's pool without problems.  I can solo mine, and I can even connect to a private server to join a pool but for some reason I keep getting kicked off after about 12 hours.  Intermittently I can reconnect but it seems like I have to wait for a few days.

What do you guys think is my problem?  I am mining and getting shares, then suddenly "problems communicating with bitcoin RPC."  I do not believe it is on the end that I am connecting to because of other people are not having problems, just me.  Tongue

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Days?!?  That has nothing to do with your mining program there's something wrong with your internet connection...
Can you ping and traceroute to your pool of choice?
63  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Using renewable energy to mine? on: November 13, 2012, 06:45:15 PM
Sorry if I'm repeating something already said I'm on my phone and it's hard to read over everything...

Renewable energy is very expensive in most cases (such as a GPU Miner) however very easy to do with newer technology like ASIC and even FPGA. Our ASIC Mining Contracts will be using both wind and solar as a matter of fact. Completely off the grid we will have a small wind turbine during the windy winter months and a small solar panel during the summer months. What makes things even easier is that our ASIC Miners use just 5VDC and we'll be using a modified Android device rather than a PC to run the mining software, which also uses 5VDC! That means no DC/AC conversion is necessary and we'll be able to run for days on a few batteries. If for some reason either were to fail we are setup so that our equipment will fail back over to the main grid but we wanted to give this a try and so far successful but the real test will come after all the ASICs are attached.
See that makes no sense.
If you can provide renewable power for less then it costs to run it from the grid it doesn't matter how big your load is it would pay to run everything from it.  Especially when the cost per watt scales down the larger your setup is.

In the case of a GPU Miner, even just a single home PC you would require a much larger setup that would cost tens of thousands of dollars! The batteries alone would cost more than you could make in a lifetime with a single rig. You would be surprised at the enormous size of the UPS it took to run one rig for just 15 minutes! Luckily our data center has both battery and generator backups for power failure!
'Your' data center looks to be a bunch of random pictures you grabbed from the web Tongue

You either didn't read what I said or mis-interpreted what I was saying. The cost to convert DC to AC is much more expensive and you use a LOT more power to use a 1.5KWH PSU for a few GPUs (that's a huge understatement!)

Powering a bunch of ASIC Miners at only 1W per GH is not only more feasible but also uses DC so no conversion is necessary other than a cheap DC Regulator.

Not only is the turbine and solar panel a fraction of the Size and Cost, but there is no AC Conversion required which again is extremely expensive,  and the battery backup for times there is no wind or sun is absolutely nothing compared to what is needed to connect your entire home or business just to run a GPU Miner for 1-2GH at most!

We're just experimenting at this point anyways but it's just running a single circuit that only consumes DC power to begin with.

As for the pics, they were taken with permission by a colleague that is building our website. I never said it was "my data center"... Again, read and you'll see that the business is being run at the data center we work for. I'm a Network/RF Engineer and work out of one of the largest data centers in the Midwest.

I don't think you've thought this through....

Any data center is already going to have a backup system to provide AC power as I assume you'd still want to be able to run all your network gear in the event of a power outage?  Or maybe you're fine running a miner with no network to talk to?  So the cost of adding a few 100 more watts of ASIC gear is going to be negligible...

But you purpose to run new wires for a DC distribution system straight to your equipment?  Maybe you're familiar with ohm's law?  A direct 12 volt line is going to need 10 to 20 times the current as your standard 120/240 AC to run the same load.  That means you're going to be needing to run some big wires to handle even a reasonable amount of equipment.  100 feet of 1 AWG is probably going to cost more than the solar panels need to run it.
I'm sure you're not the first to go 'hey.... these batteries are 12 volt and my computer needs 12 volt...' but there is a reason no one does it on a large scale.  The math just stops working.
I've seen proposals for such DC powered systems, but they're not something you just randomly add to an existing datacenter. They are carefully engineered high voltage DC systems that use double conversion UPS and are built from the ground up.


But that still doesn't do anything to refute my main point.
If you can put up solar panels to produce energy on a cheaper per kilowatt hour basis then you can get it from the grid then it shouldn't matter where the power goes... a few ASIC miners or stright into your main breaker.  Cheaper is cheaper and it would make sense to put up as many panels as possible because with very little expection the more panels you put up the more cost effective the system becomes.



Anyone interested in buying solar panels or wind turbines for BTC?? was looking a while ago into setting up a business for this... so just interested in peoples thoughts/interest
And lose the taxes breaks?HuhHuh Never Tongue
64  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Using renewable energy to mine? on: November 13, 2012, 07:27:33 AM
Sorry if I'm repeating something already said I'm on my phone and it's hard to read over everything...

Renewable energy is very expensive in most cases (such as a GPU Miner) however very easy to do with newer technology like ASIC and even FPGA. Our ASIC Mining Contracts will be using both wind and solar as a matter of fact. Completely off the grid we will have a small wind turbine during the windy winter months and a small solar panel during the summer months. What makes things even easier is that our ASIC Miners use just 5VDC and we'll be using a modified Android device rather than a PC to run the mining software, which also uses 5VDC! That means no DC/AC conversion is necessary and we'll be able to run for days on a few batteries. If for some reason either were to fail we are setup so that our equipment will fail back over to the main grid but we wanted to give this a try and so far successful but the real test will come after all the ASICs are attached.
See that makes no sense.
If you can provide renewable power for less then it costs to run it from the grid it doesn't matter how big your load is it would pay to run everything from it.  Especially when the cost per watt scales down the larger your setup is.

In the case of a GPU Miner, even just a single home PC you would require a much larger setup that would cost tens of thousands of dollars! The batteries alone would cost more than you could make in a lifetime with a single rig. You would be surprised at the enormous size of the UPS it took to run one rig for just 15 minutes! Luckily our data center has both battery and generator backups for power failure!
'Your' data center looks to be a bunch of random pictures you grabbed from the web Tongue
65  Bitcoin / Mining support / multiple gpu issue with pyopencl on: November 13, 2012, 03:25:25 AM
Since this issue extends to poclbm/guiminer.py  I thought maybe you guys might have some experience...
ATI correctly notes 2 cards

Quote
aticonfig --list-adapters
* 0. 01:00.0 AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series
  1. 02:00.0 AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series

* - Default adapter
However pyopencl only sees one
Quote
python pyopencl/examples/demo.py
Choose device(s):
  • <pyopencl.Device 'Cayman' on 'AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing' at 0x12511f0>
  • [1] <pyopencl.Device 'Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad  CPU   Q9550  @ 2.83GHz' on 'AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing' at 0x174eda0>
and so poclbm only sees the same
Quote
python poclbm/poclbm.py
No device specified or device not found, use -d to specify one of the following

  •    Cayman
  • [1]   Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad  CPU   Q9550  @ 2.83GHz
The card is good and it's driving a second monitor
I've tried both the stable and beta releases of ATI drivers... (even tried an older release but that just seemed to break more things then it fixed)
Thoughts?

Will tip if someone can solve...


Edit: To note.  I have tried several other threads with similar problems to no avail.
66  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Using renewable energy to mine? on: November 12, 2012, 05:06:58 AM
I've heard that energy costs in Iceland are dirt cheap and it is mostly renewable (hydro and geothermal). That's why all the aluminum smelters are there. I'm surprised that Iceland isn't a big BTC mining center.

Power is rarely so cut in dry as a per country basis.  I can colo for 4 cents per kilowatt hour my home I pay like 7-8 but there a people in the same state as me that pay like 30....

And aluminum smelters don't go where they can get cheap electricity that's the old fashion way... they go to where they can get favorable economic deals and then build their own power plants Wink
67  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Using renewable energy to mine? on: November 12, 2012, 04:10:03 AM
I was thinking about this for awhile guys and the one thing that is clearly a problem with mining is how power hungry mining rigs are 24/7 and how people who claim to be making a profit are usually nicking electricity from someone else, why isn't there a cheap renewable energy option out there? That would definitely be free and you wouldn't be spending your profits on electricity bills.

Just a thought I had really, sure it'd be difficult for people like me in the UK who would only get wind once in awhile, but what about in other areas where you're getting tons of heat and sunlight? Couldn't you just hook up a mining rig to a solar panel somehow?
The two are basically unrelated...
If it's worth while to put in solar/wind then it's worth while to put them in regardless of what you're using the power for.

If it's worth while to mine then it's worth while to mine regardless of what the source of power is.
68  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Total time logged in on: October 11, 2012, 02:33:55 AM
Pointless restrictions are indeed pointless.... leave this running for 4 hours.  Problem solved.

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69  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New miner and the new avrage minin power on: October 11, 2012, 02:20:00 AM
Simple economics will dictate that if there is a profit to be made buying these things people will keep buying them until there is no profit in buying them anymore.

I would say this, but with one caveat:

If there is a profit to be made within a reasonable timeframe buying these things, then people will keep buying them.

You could still be that one guy that buys an ASIC and runs it 24/7 for three years (and is lucky enough for better hardware not to come out). You wouldn't make much profit, but you would have an edge over those that chose not to buy because the break-even was over a year.

Fair enough.... but not only is better hardware almost guaranteed given the constant improvements one can make to computers.

But really though if you have so much faith in the future of bitcoin you're willing to buy multi 1000 dollar single purpose hardware with a break even time measured in years....  you're probably just better off buying bitcoins and letting 3 years of mass adoption inspired inflation make you money; which is really the same bet you're making by buying ASIC with a break even time of 3 years, but buying bitcoins will make you a lot more money Wink
70  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New miner and the new avrage minin power on: October 09, 2012, 09:19:47 PM
It will never be profitable in the long run.
Simple economics will dictate that if there is a profit to be made buying these things people will keep buying them until there is no profit in buying them anymore.
At which time the only way to make money will be those with an extra edge... such as dirt cheap electricty or discounted hardware prices.

Now if you get a few of these things early you could proably realize a profit untill the market reachs equilibrium but other than that you're likely to be SOL.
71  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin home heater idea on: October 09, 2012, 06:26:48 PM
Why not just move the server?  Either place it by the air intake for your house or use some cheap ducting to send the hot air where you want it....
72  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Building a super computer... on: October 09, 2012, 07:14:45 AM
Don't make your equipment visible from any windows. Don't tell anyone about your equipment. Get renter's/homeowner's insurance.

As far as the police, you can call your power company and let them know what's up, but that's probably not necessary.
Thanks for the response Smiley   My biggest concern related to theft, is that someone will break in hoping to score a laptop & TV, but stumble upon the servers, and stealing those too.  Do you think it'd be good enough to have the rack bolted/welded into the floor and each individual server locked into the rack cabinet?

Thanks for the idea on calling the power company!  I probly never would've thought of that xD


@ mufa23:
haha that'll work while I'm home, but not while I'm away! xD  + I already got a shotgun with .00 buckshot & a .40 glock Smiley
How would you not have thought of that?
Have you even considered how much electricity '700 pounds' of equipment is going to pull?  You're probably going to have to have the electrical company run you a special connection (assuming they will) for all the power you're going to need.
73  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: HungerCoins SCAM on: October 09, 2012, 01:12:31 AM
Yah that is sort of odd... they should remove the post if it's a confirmed scam....
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