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Exactly: the correct departure point to start from.
If peercoin or especially nxt PoS consensus model does lack certain necessary conditions, then please address them mathematically.
This way you'll arrive into a math problem for which you can see what obstacles you have to overcome and pass to solve the problem theoretically first of all. An engineering approach is not always the best one when attacking a problem of fundamental nature.
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thanks, we are contacting the companies and some of them want to IPO via Nxt asset exchange or are willing to use Nxt for payments, if we deliver Nxt plugins for their platform (wordpress). When I asked https://coinomat.com/ to add Nxt, they sent me: "we could consider this, but we need some support from NXT community, some sort of endorsement. Otherwise I fear the exchange volumes will be quite low" What do you suggest we should do? There are also many ATM companies, who responded in a similar way Actually the best response from us, nxt investors-holders is to offer the serious ones partial investment-collaboration proposals (or they offer us inversely, I spoke about this at early stages in the bounty thread last year, when I offered A and B form of proposing business deals for Nxt). I am not speaking about exchanges, but about service providers accepting payments in Nxt, this way big nxt holders can offer them partial funding for gaining some sort of share-profit-control over their future agendas. Otherwise I don't see why should we donate businesses who are supposed to improve their payment-finance services through Nxt advanced features, that would bring them much more profit in the long run. There is not more than two cases: they believe Nxt can help them gain more, or they do not believe so.. While holding not a big chunk of Nxt capital anymore, I am still interested and open to funding requests-offers instead of some sort of profit-share compensation. Anyway we need to start building small businesses ourselves as well: some of us with more programming-marketing-business experience may start a poker site, auction platform or a digital good online shop accepting Nxt as the main payment system. Unfortunately I do not have a business type of character, otherwise I would have started one already. |
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Good effective efforts have been made on the side of Nxt promotion through this thread and by its active participants, but we already have passed the Nxt promotional phase month ago.
As I said in other threads in December and early January, we need a marketing support, Nxt needs more businesses to start using it as a financial medium of exchange, otherwise it will rarely be more than a tool for speculation and in this case the highest level it might achieve would be a short bubble period for dumpers to profit and leave others in vain.
The best initial marketing strategy, as experienced by bitcoin, is that we the nxters start building small online businesses (like a poker site, auction and digital good shop) for nxt and supporting the nxt economy by using those services and inviting others to use them as well.
Waiting for business leaders to jump in and start the whole game is merely an illusion..
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I am here to ask utopianfuture release the 48000 Nxt I gave him for awarding the best Nxt client (that should supports windows too) until April 15th.
Perhaps he can open a poll for selecting the best one inquiring the tech board to assist in making the decision.
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Too many sellers!  |
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I am to sell 1M Nxt for 80 BTC today, pm me if interested (>= 500K purchases only)
Sold it out!
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I was given the promise to be informed about the use of that 100K I have donated to salsacz for pushing the marketing.
Please let me know about the achievements + the accounted report on the use of that fund.
Thank you all for the good efforts!
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Any update about nexern's client?
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So, have we chosen 3 keepers? If yes, then I'm waiting when they post Nxt accounts.
James has sent me a pm about calling me to become one of the keepers, to keep 3M for funding future tech committee allocations. Since I saw my name two or three times being mentioned in the public thread as well (along with klee, neer.g as three keepers with Pouncer as the alternative), here I am to decline the offer. So now you can ask Pouncer to be the third keeper fot that 3M tech public fund. Thank you all for the trust. |
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No way to assess a client, no matter how advanced and full functional it might be, unless it is OPEN SOURCED!
That ~48K prize should be awarded to a client the open source code of which has been audited prior to deadline. So I ask all the client developers who already released their clients, even an initial version, to present the code resource, so it could be verified before any serious using..
While I already paid 100K to wesleigh and 100K to nexern for their previous efforts, but if their coming clients support Windows OS as well, they can also be considered for that 48K prize competition.
But again, only open sourced clients gentlemen, no way to risk 1M of Nxt balance by using a closed source one!
Nothing good is gained by putting time pressure on devs. I prefer publishing a stable and good client and miss the bounty deadline. Okay you can go that way, I didn't know asking for open source is putting pressure! Oh, the open source part was crystal clear already. I meant throwing in the additional requirement that the auditing had to be finished before the deadline. (How would you want to measure that anyway?) Have a little trust in devs and the community. Any open-source client that will have a significant adoption will have its code reviewed sooner or later. EDIT: IMHO, it would be better for the overall outcome (client quality, number of entries) to stick to the initial requirement of open source client as of March 1st and simply not transfer the money to the winner until the code was reviewed. I said to publish the open source of each released version, no matter how initial it is. But yes you are right, maybe I put the deadline stuff wrongly near the auditing term. A code can be reviewed several times and in between could be changed and then become reviewed again and again.. But you are wrong, no way to distrust you wonderful dev guys, all I say is that having the codes published make one feel safer to use the client (maybe it is a myth but already a part of the open source culture). I ask again all the devs to publish the codes of each of their release versions as soon as it is available to use (or max. a week later than that in most cases). |
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Who give all these new btt members with less than 50 forum history and not much of a trading or fund-running background to select and vote for each other?! This is not a bitcointalk issue, it's a Nxt issue. The fact some among us haven't been active in BTT for long should not limit our voting and commenting ability in an Nxt discussion, should it? No that is right, but I see a lot of discussion about those 9M but always some of the key members (and their names) absent from the list or talk or consideration. If you are or want to be an active Nxt member, you should know those trusted leaders and let them in. Except you clearly don't know all of the key people yourself. Like I enlightened you of today: 4500 NXTers are active on nextcoin forum, that is a fucklot more than on BTT. BTT is just a nichè market really. VERY few come here to read that never ending Game of Thrones like thread. A lot of the key people hold very little influence here and vice versa hehehe! |
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So you clearly don't know NXT history. And you tried to use your ignorance as a way to discredit me and of course that means I get annoyed at you. hehehe, what can I say, well we wait for CfB or klee to come on board and say something... (or you might have gained little brain and patience to read over Nxt threads here to know it yourself) Good night idiot! |
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I ran the first and biggest bounty thread and managed over 2M private fund so far for Nxt, so I believe I can put some words here as one:
I am for open bounty systems, and the committee which may hold the fund should have only one function: to approve the bounty when it is voted by the community pool or verified by the core devs (or both), and then release the bounty fund when the winner is determined by the community or the devs (or both).
This committee should not be paid, the members are volunteers who take the pain and give the time to secure the funds and to allocate funds for decided bounties (believe me, it will take so much time and responsibility). Also among the holders there should be one or two big stake holders (with the main key to the funds accounts) who have not much financial motives to rub and run..
Also one essential condition, no matter you choose the open bounty or the detailed planning system, all approved bounties should be free with equal opportunity for anyone to participate. Any pre-assignment or giving more tech-info support to some special participants of a certain bounty should only result in elimination of that participant from the competition, by the committee's authority!
Nah...This is basically just a bounty system, we have already tried this and it just doesn't work. It's not efficient enough. The entire point of releasing the marketing fund is so we can get to cracking. There'd be soooo much stuff done already if the community wasn't so goddamn paranoid and unable to come to any conclusions. Putting everything up for vote for the entire community will take too much time. That's why I'd rather want a big committee. Like 10 people who have a proven track record of being deeply involved in NXT. As for having a big stack. I don't think that is a fair requirement at all. Just because someone got lucky and got in early on NXT does not give them any more credibility. Not at all, unless that person has also donated big amounts. If not: the person is nothing but a random person who got lucky with NXT. That is simply not a achievement that should weigh anything. We already have plenty of examples of BIG stakeholders (10+ million) who still sign up on giveaways for as little as 1 NXT. Greed never ends so your reasoning doesn't hold water. Who are you?? you have 3 weeks btt history! nextcoin.org forum, global moderator, been leading several marketing campaigns since mid december. You speak so aggressive with active Nxt people, this is rude, no matter what your reasoning are. Nextcoin.org is not the official forum of Nxt community, worse it has dgex origin, much worse there has been a bounty pool scandal there (the keeper who has been a moderator there, just ran with the accumulated donation pool money). Also as I said in early December, I could not get how some members of nextcoin forum has 5 stars hero status, though the entire forum has less than three months history?! (when I said it was less than 3 weeks history) The point of having some well known and rich stake-holders among the fund keepers is that, a person holding 20M and having a nice btt and also Nxt history and reputation would less likely rub and run away (but yes it could happen too, though the probability is very small). omg.... I speak agressively to idiots who either lie about something or someone who over and over and over again mess up the process. The fact that you are so unaware of nextcoin (IT HAS 4500 members) is a testament to your ignorance of NXT in general. As for your attack on dgex: DGEX did indeed fuck up with the fees. He has admitted it and lowered the fees. He has explained himself and whether you accept his explanation or not is 100% irrelevant for this discussion. The fact that you are trying to discredit the work and 4500 membership by appealing to this topic in a way to try to discredit every nextcoiner is just disgusting. And your point about DrexMe, well he was a trusted member here too. EpicThomas was exclusively here on BTT. As if someone of us could've known that a dedicated member would do that shit? Again a cheap ass attack on nextcoiners. Fuck you for that. Me, nifty, salsacz and justabit all have origin back in nextcoin. We have collaborated since then. That is where we started our marketing campaigns. A LOT of what you see in the NXT ecosystem is due to nextcoin members, so please try to be a little more respectful and coherent when you speak of 4500 NXTers, ok? I have already talked plenty with CfB about this on Skype. I have proposed several ways to ensure that noone runs away with the NXT. Among these are: if you volunteer you ahve to reveal your identity to CfB, so if you bail, we know your identity. Seeing as this is voluntary noone should have aproblem with it. Okay monkey you can ask about who I am from CfB or salsacz, or klee or Pouncer or whoever you know as a leader. You seem to have no respect for anybody here, no matter who he is and what he has done. Drexme was not a trusted member here, he had about 2 weeks history account, asked me several times to give him some donation from my 2M bounty pool (which I declined). About dgex, nextcoin.org and their doing, I have responded its boss in the other thread much before. I guess you are too little of a piece of shit to be responded on this! |
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Who give all these new btt members with less than 50 forum history and not much of a trading or fund-running background to select and vote for each other?! This is not a bitcointalk issue, it's a Nxt issue. The fact some among us haven't been active in BTT for long should not limit our voting and commenting ability in an Nxt discussion, should it? No that is right, but I see a lot of discussion about those 9M but always some of the key members (and their names) absent from the list or talk or consideration. If you are or want to be an active Nxt member, you should know those trusted leaders and let them in. |
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I ran the first and biggest bounty thread and managed over 2M private fund so far for Nxt, so I believe I can put some words here as one:
I am for open bounty systems, and the committee which may hold the fund should have only one function: to approve the bounty when it is voted by the community pool or verified by the core devs (or both), and then release the bounty fund when the winner is determined by the community or the devs (or both).
This committee should not be paid, the members are volunteers who take the pain and give the time to secure the funds and to allocate funds for decided bounties (believe me, it will take so much time and responsibility). Also among the holders there should be one or two big stake holders (with the main key to the funds accounts) who have not much financial motives to rub and run..
Also one essential condition, no matter you choose the open bounty or the detailed planning system, all approved bounties should be free with equal opportunity for anyone to participate. Any pre-assignment or giving more tech-info support to some special participants of a certain bounty should only result in elimination of that participant from the competition, by the committee's authority!
Nah...This is basically just a bounty system, we have already tried this and it just doesn't work. It's not efficient enough. The entire point of releasing the marketing fund is so we can get to cracking. There'd be soooo much stuff done already if the community wasn't so goddamn paranoid and unable to come to any conclusions. Putting everything up for vote for the entire community will take too much time. That's why I'd rather want a big committee. Like 10 people who have a proven track record of being deeply involved in NXT. As for having a big stack. I don't think that is a fair requirement at all. Just because someone got lucky and got in early on NXT does not give them any more credibility. Not at all, unless that person has also donated big amounts. If not: the person is nothing but a random person who got lucky with NXT. That is simply not a achievement that should weigh anything. We already have plenty of examples of BIG stakeholders (10+ million) who still sign up on giveaways for as little as 1 NXT. Greed never ends so your reasoning doesn't hold water. Who are you?? you have 3 weeks btt history! nextcoin.org forum, global moderator, been leading several marketing campaigns since mid december. You speak so aggressive with active Nxt people, this is rude, no matter what your reasoning are. Nextcoin.org is not the official forum of Nxt community, worse it has dgex origin, much worse there has been a bounty pool scandal there (the keeper who has been a moderator there, just ran with the accumulated donation pool money). Also as I said in early December, I could not get how some members of nextcoin forum has 5 stars hero status, though the entire forum has less than three months history?! (when I said it was less than 3 weeks history) The point of having some well known and rich stake-holders among the fund keepers is that, a person holding 20M and having a nice btt and also Nxt history and reputation would less likely rub and run away (but yes it could happen too, though the probability is very small). |
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I see so much of Nxt hunger here!
Who give all these new btt members with less than 50 forum history and not much of a trading or fund-running background to select and vote for each other?!
I personally vote for klee and Pouncer. (also come-from-beyond but he declined unfortunately).
If you are not on the list, you should be! No friend, I declined earlier, and by my previous paragraph I didn't mean any newcomer or any new btt account. I just see too much of pressure and hunger here, and well known leaders like CfB or klee or Pouncer absent. By the way I here like to mention that people like you, slasacz, utopianfuture and also devs like nexern and Jean-Luc have already proved themselves as legit members no matter how much of a btt history they have. |
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I ran the first and biggest bounty thread and managed over 2M private fund so far for Nxt, so I believe I can put some words here as one:
I am for open bounty systems, and the committee which may hold the fund should have only one function: to approve the bounty when it is voted by the community pool or verified by the core devs (or both), and then release the bounty fund when the winner is determined by the community or the devs (or both).
This committee should not be paid, the members are volunteers who take the pain and give the time to secure the funds and to allocate funds for decided bounties (believe me, it will take so much time and responsibility). Also among the holders there should be one or two big stake holders (with the main key to the funds accounts) who have not much financial motives to rub and run..
Also one essential condition, no matter you choose the open bounty or the detailed planning system, all approved bounties should be free with equal opportunity for anyone to participate. Any pre-assignment or giving more tech-info support to some special participants of a certain bounty should only result in elimination of that participant from the competition, by the committee's authority!
Nah...This is basically just a bounty system, we have already tried this and it just doesn't work. It's not efficient enough. The entire point of releasing the marketing fund is so we can get to cracking. There'd be soooo much stuff done already if the community wasn't so goddamn paranoid and unable to come to any conclusions. Putting everything up for vote for the entire community will take too much time. That's why I'd rather want a big committee. Like 10 people who have a proven track record of being deeply involved in NXT. As for having a big stack. I don't think that is a fair requirement at all. Just because someone got lucky and got in early on NXT does not give them any more credibility. Not at all, unless that person has also donated big amounts. If not: the person is nothing but a random person who got lucky with NXT. That is simply not a achievement that should weigh anything. We already have plenty of examples of BIG stakeholders (10+ million) who still sign up on giveaways for as little as 1 NXT. Greed never ends so your reasoning doesn't hold water. Who are you?? you have 3 weeks btt history! |
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I see so much of Nxt hunger here!
Who give all these new btt members with less than 50 forum history and not much of a trading or fund-running background to select and vote for each other?!
I personally vote for klee and Pouncer. (also come-from-beyond but he declined unfortunately).
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I ran the first and biggest bounty thread and managed over 2M private fund so far for Nxt, so I believe I can put some words here as one:
I am for open bounty systems, and the committee which may hold the fund should have only one function: to approve the bounty when it is voted by the community pool or verified by the core devs (or both), and then release the bounty fund when the winner is determined by the community or the devs (or both).
This committee should not be paid, the members are volunteers who take the pain and give the time to secure the funds and to allocate funds for decided bounties (believe me, it will take so much time and responsibility). Also among the holders there should be one or two big stake holders (with the main key to the funds accounts) who have not much financial motives to rub and run..
Also one essential condition, no matter you choose the open bounty or the detailed planning system, all approved bounties should be free with equal opportunity for anyone to participate. Any pre-assignment or giving more tech-info support to some special participants of a certain bounty should only result in elimination of that participant from the competition, by the committee's authority!
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I would like to see the 9M unclaimed NXT joining the 2M NXT that I am already safeguarding in the NXTcommunityfund account. I am already a trustworthy steward of a large amount of NXT, and I would be a trustworthy steward of an even larger amount of NXT.
I am a top 50 NXT stakeholder. I bought in big with my own cash in mid-December because I believe in NXT. I want this currency to succeed. And I want to see these 9M NXT funds used to make that happen. I know I don't have all the answers on how to wisely spend 9M NXT. I do know I'll dig for facts and listen to anybody with a good idea and try my best to be fair in making good decisions as part of a team. I think those factors qualify me to be a part, and only a part, of deciding the future of NXT.
Plus, I am in no hurry to spend it. NXT is in for the long haul. There will be future emergencies and choices. We need a war chest to deal with bad times and flexibility to seize future opportunities. Once this 9M NXT is gone...it's gone. Think long term.
9M unclaimed NXT to NXTcommunityfund. That's my proposal.
Where else specifically would you put it? Because it's got to go somewhere specific between now and April 3...or it disappears forever.
As I said before, 9M should go and be kept in a multisig account the control of which is in the hand of several active-trusted people that among them there should be at least one or two big stake holders. I propose 4 to 6 people to hold on that wealth, and no way to put it in the hand of one single person, no matter how trusted or active he has been. But yes as I said before too, the 9M should be kept to be spent prudently in a much longer period of development than 3 or 6 months. |
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