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61  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is he doing in IRAQ? on: September 12, 2014, 03:54:51 PM
Yep, looks like they weren't so soverign, stable, and self reliant after all.  Didn't have a representative government either.  They had a Shia government that went about the business of persecuting the Sunnis and a sham of an army stitched together after the brilliant move of disbanding Saddam's army and dismantling of its infrastructure and institutions.   

Same as it ever was, or ever will be. 
No it wasn't and you believed the lies Obama told you…

To the point you ridiculed those of us who said they needed to leave some troops there and Obama blew the agreement…

And Obama claimed victory…

Yes this is Obama's fault and now we're going back aren't we?

The ultimate admission of failure…

And you're still pissing on those who fought for all that…
62  Economy / Economics / Re: How much did your salary increase over the past 5 years? on: September 12, 2014, 12:41:07 PM
Around +60k including bonus and stock from 09 to current. Changed industries from an outsourcing company to a biotech company.
04-09 I only did +15k but with the same company moving internally.
63  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is he doing in IRAQ? on: September 11, 2014, 06:24:25 PM
I don't know why anyone in the military would put their life on the line for this flip flopping moron. So many of them were maimed or died only to see him give up all their gains in Iraq in just few months time. And will Obama go to the U.N. and Congress like Bush to seek approval. Hell no. Of course the same liberals that voted for Bush's action in Iraq were later protesting and condemning it while calling our troops war criminals. They ran away from it just like they are running away from Obamacare now.
64  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is he doing in IRAQ? on: September 11, 2014, 05:38:15 PM
Well I guess the Jayvee team finally made it to varsity.

Obama leads from behind and the polls told him he needed to do something like this. He is purely a political animal and nothing more. He knows how to fund raise, he knows how to bullshit the dumb masses, and he has elevated lying to Americans into a political art form. And of course the media lets him get away with it. However that's not going to last long though once he becomes a lame duck. Soon they will be kissing Hillary's ass, and running cover for her. Obama will be thrown to the curbside like yesterdays trash by the fawning media.
65  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Black Mob Attacks White Kroger Customer & Employees on: September 11, 2014, 05:11:03 PM
Wow!  If this were video of a white crowd cheering, chasing and then beating up black folks...it would be all over the national news.   Too bad the customer or employees did not have a gun.  Nothing from race hustler Al Sharpton, or Eric 'My People' Holder, or his boss....the ultimate race hustler...Barack Hussein Obama.  Pathetic!

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/09/08/screeming-with-glee-oh-look-they-got-a-white-dude-black-mob-attacks-white-kroger-customer-and-employees-eric-my-people-holder-unavailable-for-comment/
As predicted, The “Mike Brown Effect” Comes To Memphis Tennessee - A white male is jumped in the parking lot of a grocery store.  Two store employees try to stop the beating.   Video shows the cheering crowd chasing and then gleefully beating and kicking the employees. A young black female videotaped the assault while gleefully proclaiming “they got a white dude.”  This beating took place Saturday September 6th – Reverse the races and Don Lemon/Anderson Cooper/Sonni Hostin would be airing 24/7…..

[...] According to police, three white people were jumped by a large group of teenagers who were chanting “fam mob.” The black group, who came from CiCi’s Pizza, reportedly attacked a 25-year-old white customer as he left his car to enter Kroger.


Video....
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/09/08/screeming-with-glee-oh-look-they-got-a-white-dude-black-mob-attacks-white-kroger-customer-and-employees-eric-my-people-holder-unavailable-for-comment/
Has the police released anything disparaging about the victims yet? Or have they reacted appropriately to the crime?
VIDEO: Teen mob uses pumpkins to attack Kroger workers trying to stop parking lot assault

WARNING: This story contains material that some viewers may find disturbing due to its graphic nature. Viewer discretion is advised.

MEMPHIS, Tenn. — Police are searching for a group of teens responsible for a brutal mob attack in a Kroger parking lot in Tennessee Saturday night.

WREG reports three people were attacked by the large group of teens around 9:15 p.m. in the store parking lot at Highland and Poplar.

A woman captured the horrifying attack with her cell phone. That video has gone viral on Facebook and other social media sites.

“Hold on, they got a white dude,” the woman laughs. “Look at ‘em. Let me get out the way.”
http://wtvr.com/2014/09/07/kroger-parking-lot-mob-attack/
66  Other / Politics & Society / Black Mob Attacks White Kroger Customer & Employees on: September 11, 2014, 04:20:21 PM
Wow!  If this were video of a white crowd cheering, chasing and then beating up black folks...it would be all over the national news.   Too bad the customer or employees did not have a gun.  Nothing from race hustler Al Sharpton, or Eric 'My People' Holder, or his boss....the ultimate race hustler...Barack Hussein Obama.  Pathetic!

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/09/08/screeming-with-glee-oh-look-they-got-a-white-dude-black-mob-attacks-white-kroger-customer-and-employees-eric-my-people-holder-unavailable-for-comment/
As predicted, The “Mike Brown Effect” Comes To Memphis Tennessee - A white male is jumped in the parking lot of a grocery store.  Two store employees try to stop the beating.   Video shows the cheering crowd chasing and then gleefully beating and kicking the employees. A young black female videotaped the assault while gleefully proclaiming “they got a white dude.”  This beating took place Saturday September 6th – Reverse the races and Don Lemon/Anderson Cooper/Sonni Hostin would be airing 24/7…..

[...] According to police, three white people were jumped by a large group of teenagers who were chanting “fam mob.” The black group, who came from CiCi’s Pizza, reportedly attacked a 25-year-old white customer as he left his car to enter Kroger.


Video....
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/09/08/screeming-with-glee-oh-look-they-got-a-white-dude-black-mob-attacks-white-kroger-customer-and-employees-eric-my-people-holder-unavailable-for-comment/
67  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Columbia student Emma Sulkowicz vows to carry mattress around university on: September 11, 2014, 02:51:17 PM
At Berkeley, Karasek said she remained worried that such ambiguity could be used to further hurt survivors and that requiring verbal consent would make it easier to “avoid the ‘he said, she said’ that college administrators try to make rape cases out to be.”
An estimated one in five women is sexually assaulted during college. Emma Sulkowicz says she was raped in her own bed. Photograph: Kristina Budelis for Guardian US Opinion We’ve come a long way in the last four decades on sexual assault, but this necessary shift to “yes means yes” will not be an easy one. (Let’s also not forget that it was just four years ago when male students from Yale University were caught on tape chanting “No means yes, yes means anal.”)
The feminist movement of the 70s shined a light on “date rape” – the most common kind of sexual assault that once went ignored is now widely-understood to be a pervasive problem. Twenty-one years ago, marital rape was still legal in some states, but now legislation decries the idea that marriage equals constant consent. Today, politicians and activists alike increasingly recognize that everything we did before is simply not enough: despite these shifts in policy and public perception, rape is still far too common – approximately one out of every five women is sexually assaulted in college.
And that’s just what’s reported, according to the White House. That’s just in America. That’s just in college.
When I spoke to Sulkowicz about her unofficial senior project – she calls it Mattress Performance: Carry That Weight – the brave 21-year-old said something I think most people who care about the issue of violence against women can relate to. “It’s going to be an endurance piece,” she said. In some ways, battling rape always has been.

so they are making a science out of saying yes or no to sex.
68  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Columbia student Emma Sulkowicz vows to carry mattress around university on: September 11, 2014, 02:48:30 PM
what do you think of this:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/-sp-campus-rape-prevention-yes-means-yes

While most students at Columbia University will spend the first day of classes carrying backpacks and books, Emma Sulkowicz will start her semester on Tuesday with a far heavier burden. The senior plans on carrying an extra-long, twin-size mattress across the quad and through each New York City building – to every class, every day – until the man she says raped her moves off campus.
“I was raped in my own bed,” Sulkowicz told me the other day, as she was gearing up to head back to school in this, the year American colleges are finally, supposedly, ready to do something about sexual assault. “I could have taken my pillow, but I want people to see how it weighs down a person to be ignored by the school administration and harassed by police.”
Sulkowicz is one of three women who made complaints to Columbia against the same fellow senior, who was found “not responsible” in all three cases. She also filed a police report, but Sulkowicz was treated abysmally – by the cops, and by a Columbia disciplinary panel so uneducated about the scourge of campus violence that one panelist asked how it was possible to be anally raped without lubrication.
Apparently even an Ivy League school still doesn’t understand the old adage of “no means no”.
So Sulkowicz joined a federal complaint in April over Columbia’s mishandling of sexual misconduct cases, and she will will hoist that mattress on her shoulders as part savvy activism, part performance art. “The administration can end the piece, by expelling him,” she says, “or he can, by leaving campus.”
Her performance may be singular, but the deep frustration voiced by Sulkowicz is being echoed by survivors across the United States. Despite increased efforts to curb campus assault and hold schools accountable – the FBI has changed its once-archaic definition of rape, a new White House task force wants answers, and schools like Harvard and Dartmouth have promised new policies – the nation’s university administrators are still failing young people in their care. In the last year alone, 67 schools have had students file federal complaints accusing their own colleges of violating the Clery Act or Title IX.
With the start of school underway, however, the biggest paradigm shift on rape and sexual consent in decades may just now be emerging in California, where “yes means yes” – a model for reform that feminists like me have been pushing for years – could soon become law.
Late last week, the first state bill to require colleges to adopt an “affirmative consent” model in their sexual assault policies passed the California senate unanimously. The legislation, which is headed to Governor Jerry Brown’s desk for approval by the end of this month (his office declined to comment), effectively requires the presence of a “yes” rather than the absence of a “no” – or else withholds funding from the nation’s largest state school system.

    Verbal consent is best: easier to avoid the 'he said, she said' college administrators try to make rape cases out to be
    Sofie Karasek, senior, UC-Berkeley

The legislation additionally clarifies that affirmative consent means both parties must be awake, conscious and not incapacitated from alcohol or drugs – and that past sexual encounters or a romantic relationship doesn’t imply consent. The California bill also, importantly, specifies that “lack of protest or resistance does not mean consent, nor does silence mean consent”.
It seems like a no-brainer to only have sex with conscious and enthusiastic partners, but detractors say the standard “micromanages” sexuality. The truth is that a “yes means yes” policy “helps to create a shared responsibility, instead of the responsibility falling on women to say ‘no’,” says Tracey Vitchers, chair of the board at Safer (Students Active for Ending Rape). Anti-violence activists are clearly excited about the bill, which – if all goes well – could be adopted by more states with large public university systems.
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Sofie Karasek, a senior at the University of California at Berkeley and co-founder of End Rape on Campus, also supports the new bill. Like Sulkowicz at Columbia, Karasek filed a federal complaint after she said Berkeley didn’t take sufficient action after she reported a sexual assault. As her first week back on campus was winding down on Friday, Karasek told me she thinks the California model has “created an important conversation about consent in the media and public, and I think with affirmative consent, more students will be talking about it as well.”
Indeed, a lot of students – male students, included – already are. Gray Williams, a senior at University of North Carolina at Greensboro, says he likes the “yes means yes” standard. “It’s not that big of a deal, and I appreciate having an unambiguous ‘yes’ or ‘no’ instead of having to read her body language,” he told me. Roo George-Warren, a recent graduate of Vanderbilt University, thinks some young men might be skeptical, but he insists part of the problem is that the “discourse around consent in day-to-day conversation is so unsophisticated.”
And this is what makes the legislation so important for colleges: mandating “yes means yes” in sexual assault policy puts the onus on colleges to give comprehensive consent education. If students are to abide by that standard, they need to know what it means.
So California could lead the way in redefining how we think about sexual consent. But as promising as this overdue measure may be, state legislatures and university administrators alike need to make sure they’re being as thorough as possible in this moment when real reform, for once, doesn’t seem impossible. The legislation doesn’t clearly specify whether affirmative consent means verbal or nonverbal communication. Do students need to say “yes”? Or is clear body language sufficient?
Should Gov Brown sign “yes means yes” into law, I agree with Slate writer Amanda Hess, who believes the standard going forward should itself be more sophisticated and include nonverbal cues – not just because they present a more realistic vision of how we experience sex, but because we need to talk about body language that can mean “no” as well:

    If we can admit that enthusiastic consent is often communicated in body language or knowing looks, then we must also accept that the lack of consent doesn’t always manifest itself in a shouted ‘no’ or ‘stop,’ either. It shouldn’t be the sole responsibility of the uninterested party to speak up during a sexual encounter.

69  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Eve of 9/11 POTUS says he gonna get dem ISIL good on: September 11, 2014, 11:18:52 AM
He says a lot of things. Piss-poor in the "doing" department, though. Listening to that speech, it became obvious GWB wrote it for him."There will be no safe haven." That's as good as "you are for us or against us'".
70  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obama to Prepare US For Military Strikes in Syria Against ISIS on: September 10, 2014, 03:25:21 PM
Obama may consider this announcement a good political move but he's also telegraphing our military strategy to ISIS at the same time, he might as well send a personal memo to these Islamic fanatics in Syria telling them to hunker down. And since most Americans favor attacking ISIS, not much political downside here at home.

But it does bring up an interesting question. How much information does our CIC really need to give to the American public at large without jeopardizing the success of our own military
71  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Should we stop all Muslims from entering America? on: September 10, 2014, 03:05:05 PM
What about those who are coming here to ESCAPE the violence?  Should we be screening people who request visas to come here? Absolutely, we should. But just placing a blanket ban on visiting America or emigrating here based on religion? That's not a precedent I'd want to set. What's next? Expulsion of Muslims already IN America  - even as citizens?
72  Other / Off-topic / Re: What happens to the wicked upon death? on: September 09, 2014, 03:34:37 PM
Not sure about your idea on the judgment process. The dead live after the 1000 years and so is satan loosed at that time. The battle against Gods temple then takes place and God "devours them with fire" finally and for good. This is the final lake of fire where "each man has his part" this is where i see the final judgment come into play as our sins will be tested by this fire. For some the test hard for others easier
73  Other / Off-topic / Re: What happens to the wicked upon death? on: September 09, 2014, 03:29:08 PM
What happens to the wicked upon death?
The same thing that happens to the saved...

they die, they cease to exist.

Unless there is a resurrection, then they will be dead for all of eternity.

Now for the saved, their resurrection takes place at the second coming.
Interesting study on what that is all about.


For the rest of the dead, it takes place 1000 years later, than they face the judgment.
And another interesting study on what this is all about.
But a thumbnail sketch...

Now for the saved...
it says very plainly, every man shall die and then comes the judgment.
For the saved, the baptism is a symbolism of death.
1st Peter 4:17 their judgment takes place after the baptism.
They are judged by Jesus.

The rest of the dead, as said above, their judgment takes place 1000 years after the second coming.
These are judged by God.
Now what is the judgment?
What is he judging?
How long does this judgment take?

Actually it's incredibly fascinating how this all works...

now what is the punishment?
For those who do not make it through the judgment, the punishment is death, they die.
And their punishment is eternal, it is the second death and there is no resurrection from the second death.

That does not mean they live for eternity in a hellfire.

It says they die and they die for all of eternity, they will cease to exist and they will be completely forgotten.
It will be as if they never existed.

A way to think about that is, there have been approximately 100,000,000,000 people that have lived on this planet.
How many of them do you remember?
Even in your own family tree?


a few thousand in the history books?
As time goes by, they will be forgotten.

After their death, their bodies will be thrown into the lake of fire...
what is this lake of fire?

From the strong concordance...

valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.

In the time of Jesus, this was the city dump, always burning, it is where the criminals bodies were thrown etc. etc.

What is fun with a lot of this is people change the words, it says it is an everlasting punishment, it does not say it's an everlasting punishing, the punishment is eternal.
They're not continually punished, they are punished once and for all.

It also states their bodies are thrown into this lake of fire.
So they are dead already when their bodies are thrown into this lake of fire.
Eventually this fire will go out.

Now in contrast, it is stated that Jesus will throw the false prophet and the beast into this lake of fire alive.

They will not receive the mercy of being put to death first.

All of this takes place upon the earth...
Satan and his fallen angels, they are put to death, yes they die. They do not have eternal life, they have inherent life.
Meaning they live until they are put to death.
Humans do not have inherent life.
This is why the gift to those who come up in the first resurrection, at the second coming, they receive the gift of eternal life.
It is something we do not have.
And that gift will not be given to a person of corrupt thinking...
just because you are baptized and you believe you are saved does not mean you will make it.

Now a lot of people think when the judgment of God takes place, he will be reading off what they did in their human lives.
That's not what happens.
A person that is not saved, God considers them dead, there is no record kept.
Matthew 8:22 (starting point)
So when a person is resurrected into the judgment of God, their judgment is just beginning.
Acts 17:31
now when this takes place, belief and faith are no longer relevant, because everyone will be able to see God and Jesus, the Saints, the Angels etc. etc.
And there is no longer salvation...
in essence they live another lifetime, and they are judged in righteousness...
and what is righteousness?
Psa 119:172
I've heard this before that true Christians are judged in this life, and found innocent through Christ...first judgment, first Resurrection (blessed and Holy who are part of the first resurrection) You reject eternal torment, or punishment same as me, the dead eventually annihilated
74  Other / Off-topic / Re: What happens to the wicked upon death? on: September 09, 2014, 03:18:42 PM
They will be instantly put to death by fire( 2 Thess 2;8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:)at the first resurrection, for those who believe in 2 resurrections, the second death is the judgment where each answers for their works. It would be consistent when seeing such things as "it will be more tolerable for some than others", BTW, some may be consumed instantly, but some won't

Revelation 20:12 ...'and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books,according to their works.'

Revelation 21:6-8 ...'And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars,shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.'
that verse from 2 Thess need not necessarily refer to being consumed instantly, with no time in the lake of fire later.

Either, as you say, they are not existant until judgement day, or they are in some conscious existance till then, either way, in Rev 20, even the wicked from today are then judged and cast in the lake of fire.


This verse is in relation to things happening "in the twinkling of an eye" so would be those destroyed,("the dead live not again until the 1000 years are done", i think Rev 20) this isn't the final judgment, its the first resurrection of the saved, which starts the 1000 year rein, and satan bound. At the end he is loosed for a short season for the final battle then judgment

That's where your Rev20; 12, 13, 14, 15 comes in and i would say the testing of works are done and ultimately burned up....everything

I'll try and expand more within a fews days when i have time, you forced my hand bringing in the 1000 year rein which i'm a starting to see as how this pans out
75  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Columbia student Emma Sulkowicz vows to carry mattress around university on: September 09, 2014, 02:57:04 PM
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in other word, or in her words, as soon as the alleged rapist is expelled or her justice is served, all those psychological burdens will just all of a sudden disappear.
I wouldn't view it as that. I would imagine that justice for the crime, or knowing that her rapist can't harass her anymore, is one of the first steps in the healing process. Unless you think she has just been faking panic attacks when her rapist is around.
If you read the same article I did, then I have to wonder how you came to the conclusion, even though the college administration is apparently incompetent with its records and the same guy was accused of assault by other women, that the guy that needs defending? Since 'the guy' apparently got away with multiple sexual assaults, I don't think he needs speaking up for. The term rapist is far from below the belt.
I take most stories coming out of Columbia with a grain of salt. It is known for being pretty wild in the dorms. They have had a very open co-ed dorm policy since 2010. Guys and gals can bunk up together in the same dorm room (sophomore year or later).

When I was in college, I made the mistake of dating 3 girls from the same dorm. One day I walked in to pick one up, and all 3 were sitting together by the reception desk. I turned around and walked off. Never again. Had they wanted to be assholes, I could have easily been brought up on 3 charges of sexual assault.

Beware tales of rape from the land of wild dorms, where wild things like rape can happen. After all, when I was in college, I dated three whores, and any one of them could have turned me in for rape had they decided to be bitches about it.

Look, they're whores in Whoreville. They can't really say no anyway, so what's the big deal. These whores could ruin a real life here if taken too seriously.
76  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Columbia student Emma Sulkowicz vows to carry mattress around university on: September 09, 2014, 02:46:52 PM
I think college rape is a very serious issue that tends to get downplayed by universities so that their reputations don't suffer, and thus victims are often forced to suffer in silence and live with the injustice. I find her project to be a very creative and apt metaphor for what these victims must be going through.
I predict she will stop it soon on her own.She's focusing on the justice (where she disagreed with the verdict on the rape charge), not the actual long lasting trauma that rape victims usually endure with or without the alleged rapists being punished. In other word, or in her words, as soon as the alleged rapist is expelled or her justice is served, all those psychological burdens will just all of a sudden disappear.
This contention leads me to believe that you didn't read anything about the issue before posting it. The metaphor of the mattress itself has nothing to do with "Justice". it has to do with exactly what you are accusing her of not focusing on: the emotional trauma and burdens that accompany being raped.

i dont think you understood what i said before posting.
it's not exactly rocket science to understand that the mattress was a symbol of her trauma. but the way she presented it, it's all about her blackmailing the school for justice. if she said that "this is the burden i have to carry every waking minute after being rape, period" and let the public opinion take its course, then she would have my support. however, adding the demand of "Columbia, expel him, or i will air this dirty laundry everywhere to shame you", she sounds like a little kid throwing a tantrum in the supermarket.
77  Other / Off-topic / Re: What happens to the wicked upon death? on: September 09, 2014, 02:31:49 PM
The same thing that happens to the devout, the wonderful, and the fundamentalist liar like yourself zolace.  You decompose and your matter changes form and off you go into whatever cycle your elements take you.  
78  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Columbia student Emma Sulkowicz vows to carry mattress around university on: September 09, 2014, 12:20:49 PM
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in other word, or in her words, as soon as the alleged rapist is expelled or her justice is served, all those psychological burdens will just all of a sudden disappear.
I wouldn't view it as that. I would imagine that justice for the crime, or knowing that her rapist can't harass her anymore, is one of the first steps in the healing process. Unless you think she has just been faking panic attacks when her rapist is around.
If you read the same article I did, then I have to wonder how you came to the conclusion, even though the college administration is apparently incompetent with its records and the same guy was accused of assault by other women, that the guy that needs defending? Since 'the guy' apparently got away with multiple sexual assaults, I don't think he needs speaking up for. The term rapist is far from below the belt.
79  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Columbia student Emma Sulkowicz vows to carry mattress around university on: September 09, 2014, 11:11:14 AM
I think college rape is a very serious issue that tends to get downplayed by universities so that their reputations don't suffer, and thus victims are often forced to suffer in silence and live with the injustice. I find her project to be a very creative and apt metaphor for what these victims must be going through.
I predict she will stop it soon on her own.She's focusing on the justice (where she disagreed with the verdict on the rape charge), not the actual long lasting trauma that rape victims usually endure with or without the alleged rapists being punished. In other word, or in her words, as soon as the alleged rapist is expelled or her justice is served, all those psychological burdens will just all of a sudden disappear.
80  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israel: Operation Protective Edge on: September 09, 2014, 10:54:35 AM
so, is this real or fan-fiction?
http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.co.il/2014/09/abbas-to-tamim-mishaal-lies.html

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Abbas to Qatari Emir Tamim: Meshaal is lying
During the war and destruction in Gaza, Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) arrived on August 21 in Doha, to complain to the Qatari emir about “(Khaled) Meshaal the liar,” whose group he accused of trying to stage a coup in the West Bank. Mahmoud Abbas seemed tense. He brought to Emir Tamim bin Hamad “two issues that we cannot resolve”: The failed negotiations with Israel and the relationship with Hamas. “Hamas wants to drive me mad,” Abbas said. He relayed to the emir what the Israelis had told him, that “[They] have arrested 93 members of Hamas who were preparing to stage a coup in the West Bank, with help from Saleh al-Aruri from Turkey, while the liaison person between them in Amman was a man called Jawad.”
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