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(this was deleted from main thread and got me banned from it. Kooke called me paranoid when I said he was connected with Wasserman99)
@Kooke
To shut me up all they had to do was prove that Frank was real and not just a picture wasserman got off the internet. But you just can't do it!
You are affiliated with Wasserman. Anyone can see that by looking at the activity times of your accounts...
-You both stopped using this site in late October 2014.
-Wasserman came back from that long hiatus April 2016 and his first post was.. "Hi, i´m looking for community manager/marketing guy because i´m working in something."
-Then you came back from that long hiatus on July 12, about a week before wasserman posted the Opair ICO announcement.
You have been an unconditional cheerleader and promoter of Opair no matter how shady it looks.
Do you really expect people to believe those timings are a coincidence?
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Didn't he say that stage 2 funds would be sent to escrow? Looks like he is keeping over half of the money raised today. Probably to pay sig campaign people out of the escrow money, instead of the stage 1 money he has.
Ok I see that it was sent from different addresses in the wallet.
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Congrats for the ICO!! Now its time to let the team works on the wallet and after that in the beta. As always i knew, wasserman isstill here and have not gone anywhere as they claimed the haters. Well done!
Good health to Opair!
Kooke you are obviously affiliated with wasserman. There is still plenty of time to run, or try to deliver a bad product to unlock the escrow funds. I would like to see him forward the money raised from today to escrow. |
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He has a tough decision to make.
Either keep stage 1 + todays money and vanish.
Or forward todays money and try to unlock the escrow money (probably with copy/paste other peoples open source coin code).
I really hope he chooses option 2 so I can dump this shiz on an exchange.
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Longest 20 minutes ever. He is hoping people keep sending money. Don't be surprised if it doesn't get forwarded to escrow.
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I trust the developer
What developer? You mean wasserman the marketing director? Frank and Hao are the supposed developers and they won't talk to anyone. 'Frank' made one post from a brand new account and that is it. What kind of dev team would refuse to talk to the investors and community during the ICO? |
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Me taking a wager on anything doesn't represent anything other than gambling. That bet would of been a gamble because it could go either way. Red flags + no evidence = 50% outcome which is better than 49.50% outcome that I get at the casinos.
If you want to wager on ICO outcomes then go to the gambling section, only reason I wanted to wager him because I was heated at how moronic iudica (richgang shill) is. I'm not sure if the website linked to his account reflects on him because no lawyer could be that blind in understanding how evidence vs speculations work. Sure he did give a lot of facts, but that was to illustrate that the red flags are present. We all know this lol, but the fact of red flags vs the end result of it being a scam or not is not the same thing.
Red flags lead up to scam/no scam, red flags does not equate to scam the same way false positives does not equate to virus.
Not having empirical evidence of fraud shouldn't lead you to assume something has an even chance to be legit or a scam. We can't 100% prove that Frank is fake, but given the situation and wassermans responses, we can be pretty sure. Or at least I can be. |
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What a situation. I really hope it is legitimate.
so far the Opair guys are active and they are updating the official thread. updating the site, updating the ICO and running everything smoothly. if they had attention or had plan to scam people they would run away so long ago.. So you are saying that since they are still taking peoples money that it must not be a scam? They are still updating the ICO because people are sending them money. Why would they "run away long ago" when people are still sending money?  Remember, they switched to escrow because the ICO abruptly stopped making money and they basically had to. Now there is a lot of money in escrow that they may try to get by copying the open source code from other coins. The most important thing to remember is that if someone raises money for a company that has fake employees (and in this case fake founder). That is fraud. Even if they deliver a functional coin, it is still pretty obvious that Opair is a scam. But don't expect great things from someone who is willing to lie to get your money. |
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The dev wont show his face.
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This is true. Technically fake 'Frank' did show his face. His linkedin profile shows his picture, his full name and his employer. But for some reason he won't make a video because it compromises his identity. Wassermans excuse makes 0 sense. 'Frank' won't even talk to his investors or the community. This scam would be dead in the water if people took the time to read these threads before they invested. I feel sorry for investors that don't speak english. |
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Don't believe Kooke's BS, he is working with wasserman to defraud people of their money. Opairs dev team is fake, that has been pretty much confirmed.
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If anyone wants to have an uncensored discussion about Opair you have to go to other threads. Don't invest in anything without doing some research. I posted that in the opair thread and it got deleted lol. |
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Kooke is obviously in cahoots with wasserman or may even be wasserman himself. I keep asking but he won't answer me.
It is frustrating that so many new people are investing in Opair and don't realize these red flags even exist. They probably assume that people would be warning them in the opair thread and don't realize than when we try, wasserman deletes it.
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Its funny that Kooke ignores my question every time I ask about his affiliation with wasserman99.
If we would have asked at the beginning of Opair project he probably would have said he doesn't know him. But now he isn't sure what to say.
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@btvGainer you are wrong. They are working with SebastianJu who will release the funds by parts. Would be good if one of the milestones to release the funds be pay first the signature campaign. I will send a message to wasserman asking this.
Kooke, What is your relationship to wasserman? |
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I doubt wassermann is actually in germany. He wouldn't be running a scam AND give us any ability to track him down. Would he?
But I guess a lot of the stage 2 escrow money is in germany isn't it? If someone from stage 1 sued this fake company would a judge order stage 2 funds to be divided up?
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If there was going to be a video they would have done it. Its pretty obvious they are fake profiles. To bad I didn't realize until I invested and started trying to help the ICO. When I couldn't get the coin founder to talk to me or the community I knew something was wrong.
Now the worst part is that people who don't speak english are getting scammed and we can't even warn them.
This forum is not properly equipped or designed to host ICOs.
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If Frank or Hao are fake people then Opair is, by definition fraud, and thus a scam.
Collecting startup/investment money for a company/group with fake employees is 100% fraud. Fraud is a scam.
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Would it really help you if I clarified "disappointment" ? You know that you will probably just draw your own conclusions from whatever I say anyways .. Again some hidding. You can't speak clear, even when you hide behind your screen? This is the fact of the matter. Opair hasn't scammed anyone.  This is this typical wasserman logic. Yeah, Opair hasn't scammed anyone. Nobody tells this. But it has some serious hints, that it would scam. And when it is 100% sure, it is too late to prevent the scamming. If someone like "Dank Frank" or so is to lazy to read the thread and taking care of his money, not a problem. But most people like to leave a frozen lake, when they realise that the ice is seriously cracking under them. They need to break in, to make it 100% sure, that the ice has been to thin. Here the same, the risk to loose the invested money is clearly to high. Speculation and fact is not the same thing and I have a problem with your facts which are based on speculations You don't need to explain me the difference between speculation and facts. And if you would read my post instead of deleting them, you would know, that I clear out, what are facts in my eyes and which are conclusions. Good health to Opair! May I clear one thing up? Isildur is a good friend of mine... Stop calling him wasserman you dumb fuck! I think he is just confusing them because your friend is supporting a pretty obvious scam. Kooke is doing the same, and its obvious that Kooke is wassermans puppet. |
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Wasserman, maybe you need some sleep? This last post was so weird, can you please clear for me, and what you mean with "disappointment"? when you are behind your screen Unfortunately there was never a chance to meet the Opair team in real life. So, it's not my fault. (And it would solve 90% of all request of this people here. But no, it is a campaign against Opair. Because they want to destroy the ICO. Looks like they succeed with the strong help of the marketing director  ) Good health to Opair! Some of it was weird yes, probably the parts that I was copy pasting from what you said to illustrate how "weird" it was to me .. Would it really help you if I clarified "disappointment" ? You know that you will probably just draw your own conclusions from whatever I say anyways .. This is the fact of the matter. Opair hasn't scammed anyone. Certain people say they will scam in the end or right now as the op states but again, that isn't the case. Logically speaking yes they could scam, logically speaking trump could become a hobo in the future and logically speaking 10years from now BTC could be the only used currency in the world. Until that happens its all only mere speculation. The problem is you guys are talking about it as a fact. Speculation and fact is not the same thing and I have a problem with your facts which are based on speculations Except the burden of proof needs to be on the people running the ICO. By the time we can "prove" that its a scam, it will be too late. Lots of people will be screwed out of their money and we would have watched it happen. This ICO has some MAJOR red flags. If you want to talk about logic, read the reason why they won't make a 20 second video to prove they are real. |
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