I would easily agree with him here  i always been avid forum / irc / mailing user, in itself the forum format is ok for me, wouldnt mind a few bigger buttons for mobile but its still useable. But yeah few years back there used to be deep conversation about fondementals of economic laws, bitcoin openned the way to radically rethink the economy of internet, bring up so many discussion on distributed network, privacy, cryptography, economic flow etc that were really interesting mind blowing and revolutionary. Now mostly what you see is people with adverstising everywhere racing to get some coin by shilling some online casinos. Let say you come into a meeting and everyone is wearing an hat or t shirt with some adverstising on it trying to compete to be the most visible only to gain some monney.. who has any intererst in reading that  Its the kind of content that has a direct flow from my letter box to the trash bin usually no Only about investment which bitcoin was never about to begin with chasing the golden goose eventually stabbing each others. I mostly left the forum when shelby was banned, he surely had some issues but was still very good at bringing level headed discussions. Now surely i miss this sort of discussion compared to which one to invest, when moon, shilling online casinos. For me it seems fairly obvious this policy of making the forum this way is not going to make it very attractive. Other than for people seeking to make a few bucks out of each others back which can only last for so long. |
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Come i'm poor how long before i become a millonere with my 12.50$  i've hodling for the whole week and i'm still poor bitcoin doesnt work Do you intend to turn water into wine? Then try shitcoins with your holdings  I hope you don't come back one day and be like Buybitcoins.com that once sold bitcoin for 15 bitcoins at a dollar. BuyBitcoins.com is back online. Right now you can buy bitcoins with a credit card, or through paypal. Currently 50,000 bitcoins are for sale at a rate of 15 bitcoins per dollar (0.077 dollars per bitcoin). Payments must be between $4 and $1000 dollars. -Joey Rich https://www.buybitcoins.comCopied from HEREWhen moon https://youtu.be/7wBg1lBKtyg |
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Come i'm poor how long before i become a millonere with my 12.50$ i've hodling for the whole week and i'm still poor bitcoin doesnt work |
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The thing is need to dissociate the media from the scheme. As madoff used $ to make ponzi doesnt mean $ is a ponzi. You can do ponzi with paperclips or socks. Its all in how you sell the asset with a promise of return when there is no return to expect at all. Satoshi said clearly there is no dividend to expect from bitcoin its not like stock its like commodity. I found this thread last day it was intersting to read on many levels. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57.msg4772#msg4772But still nowday cant deny most people buy bitcoin because they are sold a future benefit by selling it again latter. And this still gravitate around fraudulent schemes. Can say its same in theory with some other kind of commodity but in reality rarely the case and even more rare twice and beyond that you can call a pyramid scheme. Like ok you can resell a car but rarely more expansive used after 10 years than what you bought it new. You can resell a computer but rarely more expansive used 10 years after than what you bought it new. You can find some case like either some retro thing that is not in production anymore, or production is made more expansive for some reason. None of this really apply to bitcoin at all. Only stocks or productive assets can be sold multiple times over years with a profit without being really a crude pyramid scheme because some value is created along the way and what you sell is a share of the owernship of this productive asset. Bitcoin is not a stock or a productive asset, not by the huge margin of profit people expect from it ( x10, x100 etc ). So in many case its still sold in a way that is close to fraudulent pyramid scheme by selling it as something that will rise in value for someone else latter. And ponzi != pyramid scheme != greater fool game != mlm. But many of those tricks or some form of market cornering are used to sell cryptos for a profits. You could even argue most of the demand is fueled by that. Hence why some people assimilate the crypto economy with fradulent scheme. You can very rarely find legitimate case where you are going to buy a commodity and resell it at higher price without someone being ripped in the way. Merchants are doing profits but they have a shop, some inventory, tax to pay and the staff that are essential part of making the commodity available. And that where the profit is going and its a one time profit. You are not going to buy a commodity in a shop and just sell it back twice the price to someone else. Or its already in the gray area of morality/scam and in the realm of pyramid scheme. Because maybe you abuse someone vulnerability or weakness in a way or another. |
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maybe he used his real name because no one would suspect it because it's obvious
If what he want to hide from is government that would still be the first thing they look for, this kind of reverse psychology trick would not work with government agencies. On the other hand can wonder why using something that still look like a real name at all, unless its a reference to something or someone but never saw this being elucidated. Or maybe he needed something that look like a real name to register into some service or another. But even so he would probably have used something fake and generic not to give much clue. |
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Whenever I think of Satoshi Nakamoto, I saw Dorian Nakamoto as the real One. IDK Why?
Just throwing my 2 cents but regarding how much care he put on being anonymous i really doubt he would have used his real name anywhere. |
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The only real advantage of radio over internet is that they don't need any address or identifier at all. With internet there is always this possibility for isp or government to identify you. Or then you need ssl + domain and dns is another can of worm and it become difficult to keep everything really air tight. Even tor is not completely fool proof. And bitcoin doesnt need any of this stuff to operate.
The other advantage with radio is they dont require much software layer to operate unlike internet who require a set of base protocole and more elaborated devices to communicate which are always at risk to be compromised. And basic radio device can be very easy and cheap to manufacture.
The very bad point of radio is it can very easily be jammed unless as motionned before there is some kind of central regulation on band use.
The only use of this would be for small set of users really needing strong stealth use of bitcoin on top of the regular use. I dont think it could replace internet for regular bitcoin operations. And by stealth i mean make it hard to even connect you with anykind of bitcoin activity, which is always going to be tricky with internet.
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Even if it is possible, is it secured enough?
I don't know how private key will be protected if we include it in our signature when signing a transaction on radio waves. It sounds a very old technology for army forces centuries ago. Do we really need to do backwards technology after we already have the Internet and Blockchain technology?
Security is most importance so if by any mean, radio waves can be a secured channel broadcast Bitcoin transactions, I won't be against it.
You don't need to send no private key over the network, only the transaction with signature that cannot be altered without making it unuseable. Bitcoin protocol doesn't require the channel to be secure to work. Now clearly it doesn't have any advantage over modern internet or 5G / Wifi or whatever you have, other that it could be made more stealth and work without big internet infrastructure that can potentially be controlled, but if it get there it's probably going to wreck the economy much more than just bitcoin |
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BITCOIN smells like a CULT, its ran like a cult, and its marketed like a cult. The deceivers are in charge of all operations. Take CHINA for example, the deceivers talk of 51%, but then change the subject when you say "+67%" of all BTC is mined in CHINA, Mining is how blocks are created, mining decides which transactions go into blocks, with the KYC rules and black-listing, the future will be a place where if your address isn't in a KYC database, then the BTC at that address will be worthless. You will be given a short period to report, then all coins will be considered 'tainted'
Thus BTC doesn't have much of a life, and it certainly isn't 'a long term store of value'
On the GOLD subject, GOLD has never gone to zero in all human history, but ponzis and scams and parabolic rises always revert to zero. It's the nature of mass insanity, tulip, south-east, or east-india company
All of the BTC narrative pushed by the deceivers is based on LIES, there is not a single truth pushed by BTC believers, nada nothing. They deny everything, which makes me think that 99% of the narrative-pushers on this site are 'bots'. You point out the flaws in BITCOIN and the bot algo just say 'hater' when negative sentiment, and 'hodl' when positive sentiment. You ask a serious question, and your told to go to the beginner section, to be re-educated and fed bile.
Moving forward? No, but its clearly running out of steam.
There are dozens of serious problems, but the most serious are these two.
1.) We were told that BTC would make 'our own bank', it turns out that ingress/egress is through coinbase, which is the IRS; This is a dead end for BTC.
2.) We were told that BTC was private; The bitcoin-core refuses to make BTC transactions private, they keep the addresses public, and all history, this is so GOV's can black-list all high-values addresses that don't have proven KYC files attached.
Given 1&2 above, and given the fact that early adopters came to btc for these reasons, then the only reason to stay is to MAKE MONEY, or better said "Ripoff people".
Lately i've been digging some of the old posts from satoshi about the original design and goals https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1388.msg37762#msg37762The danger is if people are buying bitcoins in the expectation that the price will go up, and the resulting increased demand is what is driving the price up. That is the definition of a BUBBLE, and as we all know, bubbles burst.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=845.msg11403#msg11403Bitcoins have no dividend or potential future dividend, therefore not like a stock.
More like a collectible or commodity.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57.msg4772#msg4772
Deflation is bad. Unless of course you hold lots of cash-on-hand. In that case it is invaluable. Early users that hoard bit coins are rewarded for doing nothing to help the bit coin ecosystem. They are simply "lords".
From this and some other, it doesn't seem at all bitcoin has been designed as anykind of dividend yelding stock that actually pays someone to develop something of value at all. Neither anonymity seem to be have been a priority goal with the protocol. Neither it was made to be decentralized in the first place. What you are buying right now is peoipe HODLing on exchange selling hype and wind far beyond any kind of utility of commodity value without themselves contributing any significant value to the network. It was design as peer 2 peer cash, with a core of tier 1 nodes doing the mining and maintaining full nodes, while users are supposed to used some SPV that was never truly developped, and the scheme of buying it to gain a profit at higher resell value seem to be a flaw of it rather than a feature, which if would that happen would be seen as bad and only having bad outcome on the long run. |
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At the end of all this, the confirmation is not in the hands of the sender and receiver that are on the respective frequency and that is the great detail.
With spv wallet you could still fetching block headers from several nodes in signal range and check for your tx hash. You would still need a one to one signal for the merkkle branches. Im not saying the latency would be great and everything but i dont see any reason why it couldnt work. It how mo(dulators)dem(odulators) works after all But like step 1 you broadcast your transactions to known stealth nodes in range ( how you know those nodes idk ). Step 2 those node broadcast a block header when there is a new block. Step 3 you ask for merkkle branches for your tx hash, if no answer repeat to one. Bitcoin protocol already protects against data alteration in itself. |
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encrypting a message so no one else understands it is easy..
having that message then transmit over the airwaves on licence free frequencies but have no one else blasting signals across to disrupt the message is harder.
interference cant be stopped simply by encrypting the signal.
its like speaking another language is easy in a room of people that cant speak it. but try to speak to a friend, when everyone else in the room is speaking over you.
your friend wont hear you even if he knows what language you speak,, theres just too much noise
you need a dedicated private room(licenced frequency) to not have others speak over the top of you so that your friend can hear you
Yes you need un used band as well. Or maybe some guru technique similar to watermarking to hide the signal in another signal. The idea of encrypting with eligator is not only that nobody can understands it, but it makes it extremely difficult to even know there is a signal at all ( undistinguishable from White noise ). But i agree that would probably not being extremelt reliable on the long run. If its to send a tx once in a while from an spv maybe. But then if the idea is that millions people can send bitcoin transactions to each other with a censored internet and authoritarian government its probably nope ") Or then you have pigeons  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_CarriersIm sure if you really search you will find plenty of stuff like that : Hiding Data in Plain Sight: Undetectable Wireless Communications Through Pseudo-Noise Asymmetric Shift Keying https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.02250Abstract—Undetectable wireless transmissions are fundamen- tal to avoid eavesdroppers or censorship by authoritarian gov- ernments. To address this issue, wireless steganography “hides” covert information inside primary information by slightly mod- ifying the transmitted waveform such that primary information will still be decodable, while covert information will be seen as noise by agnostic receivers. Since the addition of covert informa- tion inevitably decreases the SNR of the primary transmission, a key challenge in wireless steganography is to mathematically analyze and optimize the impact of the covert channel on the primary channel as a function of different channel conditions. |
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satellite radio waves, cellphone radio waves only work because certain frequencies are only licenced to certain businesses/services.
this stops any interference.
though some agencies can illegally use equipment at frequencies they are not licenced to, to broadcast interference. but this is heavily stopped/sanctioned/punished if found, which makes the use of cellphone range of frequencies and satellite range of frequencies not be attacked by 'scramblers'
ham radios though are not regulated and anyone can just tune in a frequency and scramble/interfere with broadcasts by just pressing the microphone.
if you can get a licenced frequency dedicated to only one purpose where its transmitters are distributed under regulation/penalty of abuse. then you may have a chance.. but by that point. you might as well be using your cellphones dataplan, because then you become a telecommunication company to be 'protected' by the regulations of licences. thus no different than a cellphone company
Let say you encrypt the signal with something like eligator who is supposed to be statistically induistaguisable from White noise ? You need another way to setup the config with the other node like band + pubkey though. https://www.wftw.nl/https://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/fs5000/index.htmThis is for some inspiration |
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Thank you, not sure which variant I got, Omicron sounds less intimidating than Delta, especially for those who are vaccinated. It's frustrating though, that I still get fever every day.
As far as i understand most of the symptoms are mild but they can also last for a long time, as this virus seems good at evading the immune, survive in pockets, get in differents organs, and potentially lead to long lasting condition which many repport being frustrating albeit not being life threatening. The thing you can try if it doesnt go away is garlic, honney ( royal jelly), echinacea, vitamins ( mostly C, D ), clearing your nose ( neti pots ) . |
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Probably the simplest is activating upnp on your router and bitcoin node.
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Im pretty sure i had a delta variant in the begining of last year. Symptoms were running nose, sore throat, and mostly brain fog. It lasted for 2 weeks or so and the brain fog was super bad, zero memory, unable to focus etc. Didnt have super high fever. Started to get scared because it didnt go away, and heard of long terme covid, started to throw all i could find as supplement, vitamin, herbals etc then eventually it went away.
I would not worry too much either but dont underestimate it either, take your vitamins, isolate, stay warm etc for it not to take root and not turning into a long covid which i read can still lead to some permanent damage.
Hope you recover soon take care.
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I think that would be very possible, as at the basics the bitcoin protocol doesn't rely on internet protocol as ip or dns too much, nodes are not strongly identified, and the bitcoin protocol itself contain all the data to identify users with the public key. Some scheme like elligator ( https://elligator.cr.yp.to/ ) could be used to make the signal very stealth if it doesn't collision with other used signal on the same radio band. But it would probably needs lot of relaying nodes in the way to make it viable on long distance, but for let say cities or denely populated place could not be a problem, and some few nodes could bridge via internet or sattelite for long range communication. As bitcoin protocol is already resistant to middle man attacks and such i don't see why this shouldn't be possible. If you need to mine that would probably be very limited though. But for things like SPV or non mining nodes, i think that could be very possible. |
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With craig wright trial maybe some kind of new revival can be expected, he seem to have big plans for it |
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As Tiktok when it was sold for 3B didn't paid anything for the music they use.
When you look closely big platforms have rather abusive pratice for content creators. No wonder why they fail to attract really good content. But in the meanwhile, there is still not really good solution either as they are swamping all the audience with all the abusive practice and centralised market. |
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The blockchain is here very important to secure the reward program because we have to pay artists, and quickly :-)
It's also the best way to prove to majors that we sold eg. 1000 copies of Nirvana, not 100 eg.
Yes it's one of the thing that is bothering with current centralised online platform is lack of accountability for the number of views. And the funding via third party advertising. And the algorithm who is not necessarily super good for smaller niche artists, neither very transparent. The midistreaming is incredibly fast, sometime faster than the speed of an USB controllers, we have some prototypes of
a hardware interface made with a raspberry pi to stream the midi and we won some hackathons but that's another story
Yes midi is very efficient, it used to run on atari right and also favor connectivity of different devices, easy to stream etc About the ways to attract the users, so first the artists whom will promote them self their midistream's pages,
So there is something planned in the like of myspace to provide artist some promotional space ? We plan to organise competitions with nice rewards in differents scenes like MPC users, techno remixs, live streamed perf
Good idea ! Then we will be able to catch some labels so their artists.
Once we will be a welterweight, the idea is to push all the majors to grant us the use of their songs à la Spotify but midi
I wouldn't count too much on majors to get along in this scheme, ( speaking of experience here ) , as they hated internet right off the bat since the beginning to keep their privilege on music creation and $$$s. But who knows ! We have a hidden catalog of 32000 tracks but the Belgian copyright company wasn't okay about that...
Yeah they still struggle with understanding internet and blockchain potential since the beginning, they have the brain of a dinosaurus waiting for a meteor |
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Have you given up the project?
Nope i'm still on it with many great news, working on a decentralised 3D engine with unity that support VR, will update the website soon ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNs0Kbw9mRQThe start of the year 2019 what prophetic for me cronavirus all the way ! At the moment i'm mostly working on building the c# unity client mostly as an equivalent to what would be an SPV wallet, aka only downloding block header and data used 'on demand' and unity as contain an UI toolkit that can be used to render something close to bootstrap webpage as formatted rich text, buttons, grids, so i'm mostly working on moving everything to the c# client, which is much better than using web browser + javascript on every levels. Probably some of the builder tools will stay as online application, but there will be at least some builder to create virtual worlds on the blockchain within the unity client, and other tools to upload / edit objects and texture via the web interface (both of them connected to the blockchain via full nodes). I'm overall pretty recultant with the model of selling token as a funding because i find this model relatively broken. I'm still unsure how to fund this though, so i'm not advancing super fast I'm in contact with some start up incubators in france i will see how that goes. I'd prefer some institutional funding with a classic share model not to spoil the utility value of the token and making it as close to an utility token as possible, which also make it easier to fit into regulation and better for users and creators and the whole ecocystem if the token itself doesn't come with technological debt and speculation too much. |
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