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6001  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: April 04, 2011, 01:21:04 PM
They're having trouble with covert ops funding due to the impending budget shutdown.
6002  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awesome free state project open to bitcoin donations on: April 03, 2011, 09:50:56 PM
No physical harm, or threat of harm, comes to those who claim the copyright.

Unless of course you count all the money they DON'T make when people pirate their books and works. But in any case, why should it matter that they don't come to PHYSICAL harm? Why is it that only atoms matter to human existence, and hence only atoms that gives rise to property rights?

Because property rights have a direct relation to 'primary use'.  Said another way, it's theft to steal my bike, because I can't use it.  You have harmed me by denying me the use of my own things.  Data doesn't have the same issues, as I can copy your bike design for my own use and never deny you your own bike.  The state monopoly that is copyright originally existed to incentivise the producers to produce more, by offering the possibility of making money for a short time off of the works, but even that ended after 15 years originally.  Now it's the life of the author plus 70 years, and doesn't benefit the author except by proxy, as the copyright holders are invariablely a publishing company.  Companies don't have rights, only people do; and even the children of the author don't have a right to unearned benefits.

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Actually the case of Spotify proves otherwise. The same is true for ring tones for mobiles. The very same kids who don't hesitate to download a movie without paying for it is willing to pay up to 3-4 dollars for a jingle that lasts only a few seconds. Why is that? It is due to the inherent decency of most people that they recognize that stealing is wrong, and that they don't want to make themselves into thieves for a few dollars.

Nonesense.  Spotify works because it's actually more convenient than doing the work of searching for the desired ringtone.  Spotify's business model is dependent upon access, not copyrights.  They could charge for public domain ringtones as well, so long as it's easier to get the desired MIDI version of Bach than it would be to either find an artist who has already done it or do it themselves.
6003  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Questions about pay transaction fee. on: April 03, 2011, 09:40:19 PM
The question is not about making money, the question is about maintaining the network, basing entire network only on miners is bad because real serverless p2p networks are better with more permanently online members, so that the network will be more resistible to attacks.
I have no problem with wanting to help, out of loyalty or kindness or whatever motive. But why help in this particular way? Why not, say, save the money you would have spent on electricity and donate it to the team developing the Bitcoin software? Or, if you do want to help specifically by strengthening the network, pay someone else to mine who is in a position to do it more efficiently, like ArtForz. There are many ways to use your money to benefit Bitcoin, why pick such a grossly inefficient one?

I'll say it again, some people who mine do so because their conditions negate the effects of consuming electricity.  Most are people who live in small efficency apartments heated only by electro-resistive heating, and have neither the room nor the resources to set up a rack of machines, but do have a decent gaming class video card.  Some people live in areas with below average costs of electricity, and have a comparative advantage as a result.  By definition, roughly half of the bitcoin network exists in places with below average electric costs, but some can be very low.
6004  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awesome free state project open to bitcoin donations on: April 03, 2011, 09:25:46 PM
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If you write in a book you own, you still own the book and the writings, the physical copy itself, not the information contained therein.

Why not?

Because you put it in the public domain.


This is more or less identical to the argument used by conservative islamists on rape.

That makes even less sense than calling copyright infringement "piracy" in order to compare it to the violent mugging of a trade ship at sea.

The events are not comparable.  Copyright infringement is the violation of a state granted monopoly on data.  No physical harm, or threat of harm, comes to those who claim the copyright.  Nor are they denied the use of their data themselves for it.  Copyright has moved far from it's original intent of the framers, and of it's use in the Constitution; and even they were wary about copyright, and were very clear that they did not consider it property, nor the control of it as a natural right. 

Lacking the support of the state, private data is only protected so long as the owner can do so.  By publishing it, they are making it public by definition.  A person can protect their personal or trade secrets with strong encryption, but protecting data that has been released to the public is much harder to do, and cannot be reasonably enforced without an unnatural state supported monopoly.  I said before that IP would be the first to pass away because in anything close to an anarchist state, the public would be unconcerned about the violation of laws that only exist because of the monopolies granted by a prior state.
6005  Other / Off-topic / Re: Anarcho-Capitalism and Anarcho-Socialism on: April 03, 2011, 09:12:05 PM

Interesting. To the extent that a given phyle is authoritarian though, it isn't anarchistic.

I didn't claim that it was.
6006  Other / Off-topic / Re: Nina Paley on: April 03, 2011, 09:09:21 PM
Coins sent. Her work is awesome.

There could be just a simple tip jar with bitcoins address for people who do not want to go through the whole MyBitcoin process.


I suggested that, but she chose what she did for her own reasons.  She didn't feel the need to share with me. 
6007  Other / Off-topic / Nina Paley on: April 02, 2011, 11:24:25 PM
Nina Paley, the artist responsible for Copying is not Theft and Sita sings the Blues has put up a Mybitcoin.com donation button on her blog site.  (http://blog.ninapaley.com/)  It's on the right hand side.  Please show your support for a fellow traveler.
6008  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awesome free state project open to bitcoin donations on: April 02, 2011, 04:04:51 AM
Might be a good business in hosting servers that the mafiaa cant have confiscated.

 Smiley

A data haven might yet prove to be the killer Bitcoin app.  The idea has been tried on several occasions, all have been crushed by outside forces.  The Principality of Sealand being both the most successful and most rediculous recent example that comes to mind.

Generally speaking the Free State will not be a complete data haven. Piracy and e.g. child pornography will not be tolerated.

I can pretty much promise that copyrights would have no force in a true free market.
6009  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin ATM on: April 02, 2011, 01:14:31 AM
Could someone buy bitcoins from the ATM?
6010  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I am in negotiations with presidential candidate Ron Paul... on: April 02, 2011, 01:12:38 AM
bitcoinusa requires ID to use their service. It would be easy for them to say who is a US citizen or not.



Very good point.  In my defense, they didn't exist when I brought this up.  Perhaps bitcoinusa is a solution.
6011  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How long until governments outlaw bitcoin usage? on: April 02, 2011, 01:10:59 AM
Hasn't stopped me yet.  And from what I can tell, it hasn't stopped anyone else either.
6012  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awesome free state project open to bitcoin donations on: April 02, 2011, 01:10:01 AM
Might be a good business in hosting servers that the mafiaa cant have confiscated.

 Smiley

A data haven might yet prove to be the killer Bitcoin app.  The idea has been tried on several occasions, all have been crushed by outside forces.  The Principality of Sealand being both the most successful and most rediculous recent example that comes to mind.
6013  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awesome free state project open to bitcoin donations on: April 02, 2011, 01:08:18 AM
Looks interesting as a thought experiment; however, there is always a reason that unproductive regions are largely uninhabited.

Singapore and Hong Kong were unproductive regions 70 years ago, and that's still true. There are no natural resources in these states. Until recently Singapore did not even have fresh water. (Now they have through technological investments built rain water catchment and treatment systems to provide a significant portion of their own drinking water.) It wasn't natural resources that brought them prosperity, it was the fact that they transformed themselves into something very close to Free States. They had the most important resource of all: peace and liberty.


I don't disagree, but those niches have been filled.  I'm not sure that the world needs another international trade hub.  Liberty is great, but the people still need an income, more so if the city-state they live in cannot support itself sans trade.  If it were not for the trade of the harbor, Hong Kong would starve.  Seasteading, as many challenges that if faces, seems like a more viable possibility because at least such a city-state can technically move.  The human soul strives for liberty, but the human body toils to eat.
6014  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Failure is likely on: April 02, 2011, 12:59:46 AM
Now that I've caught your attention, I believe that there is one fundamental flaw with the bitcoin model, failure to be recognized by any authority.

If it is failed to be recognized, then the value cannot be guaranteed. Modern day currencies are recognized as payment by a authorities within the country of issuance, e.g the government recognizes them as payment for taxes,etc, and once upon a time the value was guaranteed by gold.

It has been brushed upon in another thread1.

Essentially the problem is this, firstly Bitcoin shows

                 It is possible to have a currency without a central banking authority.
                 That implementation is not difficult.
Anyways I hope I'm wrong, I really do.

Please negate Smiley


Sorry, I can't.  But what happens if a very small nation recognizes bitcoin as an official tax currency?  I think that if Bitcoin has any successes at all, such a recognition is only a matter of time.  There are precedents for such a maneuver, such as the many small South American nations that peg their own national currencies to the US $ despite having no control over the value of the US $ whatever.  The first hurdle that Bitcoin must get over, is to reach some level of acceptable monetary inflation rate without getting crushed.  This will take till at least 2013 when the first block reward drop occurs.  That is a major weak moment.  If we survive that, then the next hurdle is achieving a fairly stable market price.  It won't take much longer than that before some tiny coastal nation that depends heavily on international trade (think taiwan) for their own local economies to support Bitcoin, even if that is only on an unofficial basis.  I can't even hazard a guess how long that would take under the best of situations.  But once one small nation was willing to openly support Bitcoin, then that means that the threats of bigger nations to suppress same were already doomed to failure, and Bitcoin will outlive us all.
6015  Other / Off-topic / Decided before we were born. on: April 02, 2011, 12:43:14 AM
http://thedailybell.com/1957/G20-Considers-Global-Currency.html

Just because it is a conspiracy theory, doesn't mean it's wrong.
6016  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ron Paul and bitcoins on: April 01, 2011, 11:44:15 PM
Like I said... Goldbug. He doesn't care about other alternatives.

So basically you ignore evidence that he doesn't only care about gold and repeat the exact same thing? K, nice talking to you.

Oh, I read it all right. And that reading tells me that the legislation is tailored for metals-backed currencies, anything else would be an 'unintended consequence'. It doesn't actually address banking reform directly, which is central to the implementation of monetary systems. Currencies without monetary systems can't make substantial economic impact. It would be like Bitcoin without an ecosystem of exchanges. I get that Libertarians think that such a thing will arise magically, and I also get that we will look back at gold and remember it as a fashion statement.

Be careful of confirmation bias.
6017  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awesome free state project open to bitcoin donations on: April 01, 2011, 11:43:15 PM
Looks interesting as a thought experiment; however, there is always a reason that unproductive regions are largely uninhabited.
6018  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How long until governments outlaw bitcoin usage? on: April 01, 2011, 11:37:14 PM

In fact, lets try simple example. If you think you can make your own mind up and have freedom of choice, tell me, why can't you drink beer in public places. My guess would be, that you'd like to, or even if I am wrong, I know most people would like that. So why is it that it is against the law?


That's against the law?
6019  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I am in negotiations with presidential candidate Ron Paul... on: April 01, 2011, 09:20:59 PM
2)  the campaign finance laws require that they cannot accept donations from anyone that they cannot show is an American citizen; which in practice requires disclosure.  Bitcoin undermines disclosure.

Unless it is a Bitcoin funded U.S. corporation.

Corporations, unions and PACs have different political donation rules altogether.  I don't know them well, but I doubt that this would work.
6020  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ron Paul and bitcoins on: April 01, 2011, 08:23:11 PM

Amongst important US politics, I think Ron Paul is the more likely to ever introduce bitcoin in mainstream media.

I'm curious to have your view on this.


I'd be willing to bet his son Rand does first.

After all, it was Rand that was willing to bitch about how his toilet in Kentucky has to abide by California's water conservation laws, and doesn't work on a single flush.
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