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6061  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: High speed Blockchain Download on: August 19, 2011, 10:41:54 PM
I disagree.

When the next block comes in from the p2p network, it contains in it the HASH of the previous block.

It is impossible to create a block that has a given HASH (this is the whole principle on which Bitcoin is built).

As such it would be impossible for me to create a fake blockchain that included a block at its head that had the correct HASH.

So if I was a scammer and created a fake blockchain you would never get any new blocks in the client as it would reject them all as they would have an incorrect HASH in them.

Only way I could scam you would be to ensure that you got a fake blockchain and only connected to my fake servers, and I had enough resources to create a fake blockchain the same length as the current live one.


Explain to me why you think I am wrong.


Thanks

Robin

PS - If I am wrong will happily remove file from site as do not want to reduce the security.
The problem is that the client won't check that the block hash is correct, nor will it check the merkle tree. As such, you could modify a block and any client who uses your blockchain download will just assume that it's correct. That's why you should only download the blockchain files from the P2P network, where it is verified, or a HIGHLY trusted developer (which is the case for the bluematt.me site).
This is not true, at all.
6062  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Estimating heat output - 5850 on: August 19, 2011, 10:25:10 PM
Kind of a stupid question, but if the GPU uses 150W, is all of it dissipated as heat?
Yes.  All wattage eventually turns into heat.  Even fans blowing air... the air creates friction until it slows to a stop, and all of that friction turns into heat.  Same with light - as it is absorbed by the various surfaces it touches, it turns into heat.  The reflected light is what we see, but it all keeps bouncing around until it is all absorbed.  But the majority of wattage in a computer is used by transistors switching, which creates heat as well.
6063  Economy / Speculation / Re: butt hurt miners on: August 19, 2011, 10:20:02 PM
I'm fine as long as the price is more than $7 in the summer and more than $3 in the spring/fall.  In Winter, it's virtually free, since I'd be heating with baseboards anyway.

No butt hurt here.  Of course, I wouldn't mind a higher price either...  Smiley
6064  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Desktop artifacts on my new 5850 on: August 19, 2011, 10:17:02 PM
Artifacting is usually a case of bad or too hot video memory.  I would make sure the VRAM cooling is situated properly, and other than that, RMA.  Usually artifacting will just get worse over time.
6065  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Estimating heat output - 5850 on: August 19, 2011, 10:15:20 PM
A 5850 only uses about 150w.
6066  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Internet billionaire donates $1.25 million to create libertarian islands on: August 19, 2011, 04:15:53 AM
Only $1.25 million?  Thats not enough to buy a house with a decent garden in London let alone to create a free state.  This guy should pony up enough to at least make his idea possible.

Which isn't really the goal of the project. From the website:

"Many similar ventures failed because they expected billions to materialize out of thin air. Our ideas for seastead financing are far more realistic. The basic idea is to proceed in self-financing, incremental steps."
They might be able to drill one of the support holes for that much.   Cheesy
6067  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the hottest eWallet right now? on: August 18, 2011, 08:54:24 PM
There's also the option to rent your own wallet on a secure linux server...

http://bitcoinforums.net/index.php?threads/bitcoin-cloud-wallet-hosting.211/

I haven't tried it myself, but the idea sounds solid.
6068  Other / Off-topic / Re: BitcoinForums.net promotion - Win 2BTC! on: August 18, 2011, 08:33:26 PM
I don't want to walk into a trap here, so what do you mean by "regular people"?

No trap Smiley I'm talking about people who don't know what a cryptocurrency is, do not believe the world is run by a secret cabal of bankers, don't think ponzi schemes are a valid line of work, don't ...

There are a lot of weird posts here. That's ok, I like almost-unmoderated personally. A lot of people don't.
Ah, ok.  I would like to hope that regular people could be safely pointed that direction.  I mean, the forum won't disallow conspiracy theories, etc, but I do hope that the more modern interface would facilitate a more mainstream crowd of people as well.  But you never know where the crowd might take discussions on a public forum either...
6069  Other / Off-topic / Re: BitcoinForums.net promotion - Win 2BTC! on: August 18, 2011, 07:35:19 PM
I suppose I need to revise my definition of spam then.  Spam is any post which doesn't make sense, or doesn't add information that may be of value to other people.  Like a post that simply says "Boo!".  No one wants to read that.  Also, obvious scams would be considered spam and would be deleted.  But, I absolutely don't mind people coming in and advertising their own websites or promotions though (provided it is posted in the correct section of the forum).

So, your sales pitch is that you will run a forum we can safely point regular people to?

That would be a welcome change indeed.
I don't want to walk into a trap here, so what do you mean by "regular people"?
6070  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: What about a host which doesn't discriminate against people? on: August 18, 2011, 05:56:19 PM
I thought the blockchain was downloaded from peers in the network and not from a central server...
One website provided a direct download to the current blockchain.  Not sure where it is though, but it was meant to be a high-speed way to get your blockchain up to speed for a new client download.  Sometimes the P2P download can take forever, especially if you only have 8 peers connected.
6071  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A Better Coin on: August 18, 2011, 05:55:04 PM
And I outright refuse to support a project where any person or group of people (or democracy) decides on how coin production should change.  It will be manipulated, just the same as the government manipulates the money supply today.  It doesn't matter what sort of checks and balances you put in place, the system would be abused to benefit those who are in the position of power to make a decision.  I would rather see volatility or inflation/deflation because of the decentralized nature of the currency than have a group of people controlling it.  Otherwise, we may as well just continue using USD and the other fiat currencies.

+1

JohnDoe - getting back to our discussion regarding GDP growth and whether the rate will change... I just thought of this.  If the GDP growth rate is higher than population growth rate, then we should see more goods available for lower prices, adjusted for inflation.  But, that is not really what we are seeing in the world today.  Lately, we have been seeing increased energy prices far beyond the rate of inflation, increased food prices, increased land prices (except for the recent crash), etc. Everything that is based on resources is going up in price, faster than inflation, which indicates we are approaching scarcity of those items.  Sure, you could argue that some commodities (such as oil) are being manipulated to increase prices (and profits), but even artificial scarcity will take its toll on overall GDP.

No, the price inflation is primarily a symptom of the monetary inflation created by the fed to prevent deflation and a credit crunch.
But they cannot keep on printing more and more and wait for all this debt to disappear. If they don't allow deflation to come in, hyperinflation will end with this unsustainalbe situation.
If the inflation index you're looking at doesn't include energy and food then is clearly a wrong index. GDP growth statistics are highly manipulated too. I recomend you a video series called the crash course. It explains in a comprehensive fashion how CPI and GDP are calculated. Also peak oil and other important subjects.

Keep in mind that your assumption of 4% constant growth means exponential growth.
I don't understand what you are saying.  How could monetary inflation of 4% result in price inflation of 8%?  I just made up those numbers, BTW, but even just looking at the price of gas... I mean, I remember when I was a kid and gas was $0.99/gallon.  I was probably around 10 years old at the time, so 1996 or so.  400% rise in price in 15 years, and I don't think inflation comes close to that.  Actually, using the inflation calculator here (http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/) it should only be $1.44 today.  Now, I don't know what metric of inflation they are using, but I doubt any metric you could find would show 400% inflation over the last 15 years.

I'm not at home, so can't watch the video at the moment.  And I really hate watching videos for information anyway, they usually talk much more slowly than I could read the same thing, so it frustrates and bores my mind.  Tongue  But I'll try to get through it this evening.  Thanks for the link at any rate.

Yes, 4% constant growth does assume exponential growth.  But it doesn't assume growth in the growth rate.  I think the best we can do is assume continued growth at the rate we have seen in the past.  Even though it assumes continued exponential growth, and I don't believe exponential growth is possible indefinitely, there isn't really a way we can determine or even come close to estimating when that GDP growth rate will slow down.
6072  Other / Off-topic / Re: BitcoinForums.net promotion - Win 2BTC! on: August 18, 2011, 05:02:44 PM
Thanks for the input all!

Make it 5 BTC and I'le spam the shit out of you.
I'll consider it.  I don't want spam though, but if by spam, you mean "make lots of good posts", then I'm all for it.

2 BTC BitcoinForum.net Promotion

If you make a non-spam post on www.bitcoinforums.net sometime this month (August), you will automatically be eligible for a randomly-given prize of 2 BTC.  Multiple posts will give you multiple entries into the drawing.  This is a promotion to help get more people using the bitcoinforums.net forum.


Well I can understand why just straight out appealing to people's self-interest might seem to be a winning tactic around here.. but call me crazy.. it also comes across as just another tacky-crappy marketing ploy for something I don't know if I care about.

Why not appeal to people's interest in the overall expansion/success of the bitcoin community and explain how bitcoinforums.net fits into that..  and then offer the financial reward/prize thing as a sweetener on top of that?   At the moment it's all largely-illusory sweetener but no dessert.

What is bitcoinforum.net for? What problem is it solving? Is it just competition for bitcointalk.org?  
Is this intended to split the community somehow? Along what lines? Is that good anyway?
It's not intended to split the community.  It's intended to decentralize the reliance we have on this forum here.  Myself, I also enjoy the slicker interface that a xenForo-based forum provides (vs SMF that is used here, and feels like it is from the 90's), but I understand that most people don't really care much as long as it works.  But the biggest goal is simply to decrease the reliance everyone has on this particular forum/site.  If it goes down, what does anyone have to turn to?  We need to have excellent forum discussions in multiple places, so that if one source is down, people can still find information on the second or third source.

It is extremely difficult to market a new forum without offering incentives, no matter how good it sounds.  Reason being, a forum is only interesting if people post regularly on it.  And to get people posting regularly on it, there must be regular discussions to post on.  It's a vicious circle of nothing happening if I don't force it to start happening.  I can only pull so many ideas out of my hat each day to post about, so I need to offer incentive to other people to post so that we can have more discussions, so that more people regularly use it, and we can eventually have a second place of discussion.

why do we need another forum, when we have the "official" forums here? Besides, you are spamming these forums with ads for your own forums, but you are requesting people to not post spam in your forums.  WTH dude?
See my above response for the answer to your first question.

I suppose I need to revise my definition of spam then.  Spam is any post which doesn't make sense, or doesn't add information that may be of value to other people.  Like a post that simply says "Boo!".  No one wants to read that.  Also, obvious scams would be considered spam and would be deleted.  But, I absolutely don't mind people coming in and advertising their own websites or promotions though (provided it is posted in the correct section of the forum).
6073  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A Better Coin on: August 18, 2011, 04:46:04 PM
@d'aniel

If you have the external input of exchange rates in the chain, why do you need human management?
You do?  Apart from the rough proxy of difficulty, as cunicula suggested?

Dacoinminster and morpheo (among others) propose different chains in which miners must report certain outside exchange values and the validity of their block depends on the network accepting those reports as truth or not. They can average various exchange and an error must be allowed.
If you know the prices for btc/usd, usd/oil, usd/gas, usd/rice, usd/corn, etc. You can make a target stable value to estimate dP.


None of these suggestions has a workable method of ensuring honest reporting. Instead, they use democratic reporting. This might end up being honest, but there is no incentive for honest reporting in the system. Given how much nonsense is talked in the forum, would you really want the masses to decide how much money is generated?

I would put more trust in a dictatorship or oligarchy as these governance systems provide better incentives for truthfulness. The dictator loses big if he fucks up his coin. In a democratic system, the losses are divided among many decision makers so no one has a significant stake in making good decisions. I think we should vest all power in a few oligarchs, but tie their hands using hard coded rules. If we must use a democracy, then we should use even stricter rules. I really don't think a democracy is a good way to go. One oligarchic option is vesting all voting power in the 10 largest account balances. These guys are the 10 oligarchs. If someone else wants to be an oligarch, they can purchase the necessary coin.  



I'm not in favor of using bitcoin to back the currency.

Here is what I propose instead.

1) every send is taxed at a 0.1% rate (the tax is rounded up) + (an extra tax fee for sends with low confirmations) + (a user-specified voluntary tax to motivate inclusion in a block)

2) mining occurs through the mixed coin - hashing system I described above where you escrow coins in the blockchain whenever you find a block (and thus need coins to mine)

3) miners receive 50% of the send tax revenue. An additional 50% of the tax revenue and coin generation equal to 50% of the tax revenue is put in an escrow account.

4) What happens to the escrowed money depends on monthly voting rounds. There are two possible voting outcomes (these are hard-coded):
                      a) money generation via lottery -> all tax revenue is sent via a random dividend to some lucky address.
                                                                      Probability of being selection in the random draw is proportional to coin account size (one coin = one draw.
                                                                     the lottery occurs once per block
                      b) money destruction -> all tax revenue is disposed of (for example sent to a nonexistent address)  

5) Voting rounds last for one month worth of blocks. Votes are cast whenever a block is mined. However, only one vote is counted every month. The counted vote is the one that included the largest number of escrowed coins (not coin-confirmations) in a block mined over the past month. This single vote decides whether the next month follows outcome 4a or outcome 4b.

To the extent that currency use grew over time, money generated via the lottery would enrich all holders of the currency in proportion to their initial holdings (early adopters are rewarded). To the extent that the currency failed, the volume of currency available would contract with every block sent until none remained. If this occurred slowly enough, the price could remain stable during the contraction.

Rich voters decide between currency creation and currency destruction. If they are risk-neutral, they will be indifferent between destroying currency and generating it. I think they would try to manage the currency price in a sensible way to help it succeed and thus maximize returns on their investment. I believe that they would try to keep USD or EUR exchange rates stable, but it is up to them. Also, there is a market for control. If anyone decides that they can manage creation/destruction more successfully, they can seize control of voting through a massive investment in the coin.
Both of these ideas have the same problem - the rich controlling whether new coins are created or not.

If you own 1% of a currency, do you want that 1% to be devalued through creation of new coins?  No, of course not!  You'd want to minimize creation of new coins as much as possible to retain your holdings' purchasing power.

And I outright refuse to support a project where any person or group of people (or democracy) decides on how coin production should change.  It will be manipulated, just the same as the government manipulates the money supply today.  It doesn't matter what sort of checks and balances you put in place, the system would be abused to benefit those who are in the position of power to make a decision.  I would rather see volatility or inflation/deflation because of the decentralized nature of the currency than have a group of people controlling it.  Otherwise, we may as well just continue using USD and the other fiat currencies.

JohnDoe - getting back to our discussion regarding GDP growth and whether the rate will change... I just thought of this.  If the GDP growth rate is higher than population growth rate, then we should see more goods available for lower prices, adjusted for inflation.  But, that is not really what we are seeing in the world today.  Lately, we have been seeing increased energy prices far beyond the rate of inflation, increased food prices, increased land prices (except for the recent crash), etc.  Everything that is based on resources is going up in price, faster than inflation, which indicates we are approaching scarcity of those items.  Sure, you could argue that some commodities (such as oil) are being manipulated to increase prices (and profits), but even artificial scarcity will take its toll on overall GDP.

Your thoughts?
6074  Other / Off-topic / Re: BitcoinForums.net promotion - Win 2BTC! on: August 18, 2011, 05:59:49 AM
I thought I'd get more interest giving away free BTC!  Does the prize need to be increased?  Not enough BTC to make it worth signing up for a new forum?
6075  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A Better Coin on: August 18, 2011, 05:58:37 AM
If you reread your post #66, you'll see your only objection to steady deflation was volatility.  And then you even agreed that steady deflation, not volatility, was the problem later on:

By steady deflation I meant "always in a deflationary state", not something like "steady 3% annual deflation, forever" as that's not something that could happen. My argument was that it is virtually impossible to asses if an investment will pay off in an "always deflationary state" and that in most cases it will be superior to just keep the money and do nothing than make the investment and risk ending up worse off.

By "this", do you mean keep prices stable?  I'm not sure, maybe someone who knows demurrage more than I do can jump in on that question.

I don't like it.  I don't think we can assume the GDP growth rate will continue increasing.  9% economic growth sounds absolutely insane... haha.

- Yeah, by "this" I meant keep price stability.

- You were the one who suggested to look into historical data in order to extrapolate and get a more accurate number. I did just that but it seems you didn't like the numbers. There's no denying that the world keeps moving faster and faster, specially since the industrial revolution, and you haven't provided any evidence of the supposed wall we are about to hit, so I don't see how 9% is insane at all. Maybe some further reading on the subject could convince you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_change

Remember that GDP is just the market value of all goods and services produced in a given amount of time. It would be possible for physical goods to account for 1% of GDP while information and services account for 99%.

- Block rewards start at 1, and increase linearly to a rate of 500,000/block over the next 10 years
- Block reward then inflates at a rate of 4% / year.  So the next year, it would be 520,000, etc.

Now that I think about it, with this scheme you would be increasing the money supply by way more than 4% for many years. Assuming there are 52560 blocks in a year and you want 4% annual inflation, then the block reward has to be 0.000075% of the money supply. 500k/block means you would first need a supply of 667,000,000,000 before you start increasing the reward, and you wont be anywhere near that amount when you reach the 500k/block rate.
*shrug*  I just don't think it is reasonable to expect continued growth in the GDP growth rate.  I mean, are we someday going to hit 100% growth in GDP/year?  Not likely... so where do we cap it?  It just becomes an uneducated guessing game.  That's why I like an unchanging rate better - it just seems more reasonable.

I will do further reading on the subject though, as you suggested.  Certainly wouldn't hurt.  Wink

Yes, inflation would be quite high for quite a number of years even after the 500k block reward is hit.  Kind of like how Bitcoin will continue to be inflationary for a good half-century or so, even though it is touted as a deflationary currency.  By my calculations, the 4% inflation rate would be reached around year 25.  I don't think there is any way around this without giving early adopters a huge advantage (or having a bell-curve-like distribution schema, which is an interesting thought), but hopefully, adoption would be able to match the huge inflation rate and keep it somewhat stable.  Or, at the very least, semi-predictable.  There is no doubt that the early stages of the currency would be filled with volatility though, just like Bitcoin.  That is downright inevitable for a decentralized currency.
6076  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A Better Coin on: August 18, 2011, 02:49:48 AM
- Hmmm... now you've got me all confused about the same thing.  Would putting the lost coin rate into inflation increase prices of goods over time?  I believe the argument for demurrage is that it would help keep prices stable, even though a person might lose coins over time.  So instead of a $1 burger being $5 30 years down the road, it would still be $1, but you would only have $0.20 left after 30 years.  And that would be a very extreme example with a much higher demurrage rate than what we are talking about here, but you get the idea.

Even more confused now, how can demurrage achieve this if it has no control over the demand for money? As I see it, demurrage just encourages an increase in money velocity, which has the same effect on inflation as an increase in money supply.

- Not much we can do about change in growth rate.  It's completely unpredictable.  You argue that the rate will grow due to technological advances, and I might argue that it will shrink due to limited resources.  This will introduce some amount of mild inflation or deflation, depending on whether growth rate increases or decreases.  Without including some sort of manipulatable index, there's no way to account for this potential change, so it must be accepted as a caveat of the currency.

But is there any evidence to suggest that we are reaching a peak in resources? Even if we were to reach a peak in some physical resources during the next decades or centuries, I don't think it would hit GDP growth too hard as information keeps grabbing an increasingly bigger share of GDP, and information can be almost infinite.

How about a compromise? Let's say I grab all the historical data I can find and extrapolate it to the year 2200 or whatever. I tell you then that we should expect an average annual world GDP growth of 9% by that time, so we start with your 4% supply growth and very slowly increase it over 10 million blocks or so until we reach the 9% which would be a hard limit. How does that sound?

- The initial 10 years (or whatever period of time is chosen) would be the "adoption period".  I would guess that this would involve lots of mining and very little actual merchant transactions.  The purpose of this period would be to spread coins to anyone who wanted them.  There should be no "early adopter" problem, where a single individual ends up with more than 1% of the currency.  We could have that time period only be 1 year, or increase it to 20, depending on whatever is deemed appropriate before the project is started.  Even after the block reward reaches maturity and only inflates by 4%/year, the actual inflation rate of the currency will be very high for several more years, as the new block reward/year will be much higher than the number of coins in circulation.

The problem with starting out with a minimum block reward, as you have suggested, is the early adopter problem.  It could easily end up with a single person holding 1% or more of the currency if enough people don't jump the gun and get onboard with mining with a constant block reward.  That's why there needs to be a "ramp up" to the ending block reward.  Now maybe 10 years is a bit extreme for that ramp up, so the actual amount of time to "ramp up" should be considered.

Ok I can go with that, but it should be like a year at most or we risk irrelevancy.
By "this", do you mean keep prices stable?  I'm not sure, maybe someone who knows demurrage more than I do can jump in on that question.

I don't like it.  I don't think we can assume the GDP growth rate will continue increasing.  9% economic growth sounds absolutely insane... haha.

Perhaps you're right about the ramp up stage.  1 year into bitcoin would have put it around, what, September 2010?  Maybe 2 years?  *shrug*
6077  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A Better Coin on: August 17, 2011, 11:41:38 PM
- Hmmm... now you've got me all confused about the same thing.  Would putting the lost coin rate into inflation increase prices of goods over time?  I believe the argument for demurrage is that it would help keep prices stable, even though a person might lose coins over time.  So instead of a $1 burger being $5 30 years down the road, it would still be $1, but you would only have $0.20 left after 30 years.  And that would be a very extreme example with a much higher demurrage rate than what we are talking about here, but you get the idea.

Even more confused now, how can demurrage achieve this if it has no control over the demand for money? As I see it, demurrage just encourages an increase in money velocity, which has the same effect on inflation as an increase in money supply.

- Not much we can do about change in growth rate.  It's completely unpredictable.  You argue that the rate will grow due to technological advances, and I might argue that it will shrink due to limited resources.  This will introduce some amount of mild inflation or deflation, depending on whether growth rate increases or decreases.  Without including some sort of manipulatable index, there's no way to account for this potential change, so it must be accepted as a caveat of the currency.

But is there any evidence to suggest that we are reaching a peak in resources? Even if we were to reach a peak in some physical resources during the next decades or centuries, I don't think it would hit GDP growth too hard as information keeps grabbing an increasingly bigger share of GDP, and information can be almost infinite.

How about a compromise? Let's say I grab all the historical data I can find and extrapolate it to the year 2200 or whatever. I tell you then that we should expect an average annual world GDP growth of 9% by that time, so we start with your 4% supply growth and very slowly increase it over 10 million blocks or so until we reach the 9% which would be a hard limit. How does that sound?

- The initial 10 years (or whatever period of time is chosen) would be the "adoption period".  I would guess that this would involve lots of mining and very little actual merchant transactions.  The purpose of this period would be to spread coins to anyone who wanted them.  There should be no "early adopter" problem, where a single individual ends up with more than 1% of the currency.  We could have that time period only be 1 year, or increase it to 20, depending on whatever is deemed appropriate before the project is started.  Even after the block reward reaches maturity and only inflates by 4%/year, the actual inflation rate of the currency will be very high for several more years, as the new block reward/year will be much higher than the number of coins in circulation.

The problem with starting out with a minimum block reward, as you have suggested, is the early adopter problem.  It could easily end up with a single person holding 1% or more of the currency if enough people don't jump the gun and get onboard with mining with a constant block reward.  That's why there needs to be a "ramp up" to the ending block reward.  Now maybe 10 years is a bit extreme for that ramp up, so the actual amount of time to "ramp up" should be considered.

Ok I can go with that, but it should be like a year at most or we risk irrelevancy.
Uhhh, just realized I have no time to reply to this right now.  I'll try to remember to reply later.  Tongue
6078  Other / Off-topic / BitcoinForums.net promotion - Win 2BTC! on: August 17, 2011, 11:32:17 PM
2 BTC BitcoinForum.net Promotion

The Basics:
If you make a non-spam post on www.bitcoinforums.net sometime this month (August), you will automatically be eligible for a randomly-given prize of 2 BTC.  Multiple posts will give you multiple entries into the drawing.  This is a promotion to help get more people using the bitcoinforums.net forum.

No spammy posts!
Multiple posts DO help your chances (you'll have one "ticket" in the drawing for each post you make), but I do NOT want to see posts that are made just for the sake of making posts.  Add something constructive to the discussion, or start a new discussion.  Introduction threads are ok.  Just nothing like a post that just says "Hi.", or a post that is duplicated in multiple places.  And try to limit simple posts that add nothing to the discussion, such as "+1", "This." or "I agree".  I won't make small quantities of those sort of posts against the rules, but please limit your use of them.  Information regarding your own websites/promotions are ok to post, so long as they are posted in the proper section.

Fineprint:
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Broadcasting:
Also, if anyone has a good idea of a way for me to broadcast this drawing while it happens (to avoid any disputes of unfairness or favoritism), I would appreciate it.  Otherwise, I'll just deal with the disputes.

Mods of bitcointalk.org:
If this is the wrong place for this thread, please move it as you see fit.  I couldn't really find a good place to post a "promotion" thread.
6079  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Human Augmentation on: August 17, 2011, 10:49:57 PM
If the poor want to be augmented, they can work their butts off and save their money to get augmented.  It's like choosing to get a college education or not.  Yeah, it costs a lot of money, but if you want, you can work your butt off, save your money, pay for your tuition (or be stupid like me and just get student loans), and put yourself through college so that you can get a better job.

I don't like this reasoning very much. But I am all for free market. Where does this leave me? Is there another way?

I guess it depends on what your reasoning is.

Regardless, how is improving one's ability to work by using money unfair at all?

Examples:
- Pizza delivery job requires own car.  You must pay money to purchase a car to work the job.
- CPA position requires degree and passage of exam, both of which require money to work the job.
- Professor at a college requires a PHD.  You must pay money to get said PHD to work the job.
- Lifting 500 lb non-palletized items requires augmented superhuman.  You must pay money to get augmented to work the job.
- Your new job requires a certain type of uniform that you have to purchase for $75.  You must pay money to get the uniform to work the job.

These are all the same in my eyes... it doesn't matter whether it is knowledge, attaches to your body, or is simply an object you sometimes use to help you perform your job.  They all cost money, they all result in you having a better chance in the job market, and they all come down to a personal decision about whether the person would like to risk their money on making such a purchase in order to improve their own value in the job market.
6080  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Human Augmentation on: August 17, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
I don't see why not... if someone wants to make themselves a robot or a superhuman, that's up to them.
What if everyone becomes superior through augmentations but the poor -- whom can't afford it -- are left in the cold? They would be inferior and would have to settle for lesser jobs. Is that really fair?
Sure it's fair.  If the poor want to be augmented, they can work their butts off and save their money to get augmented.  It's like choosing to get a college education or not.  Yeah, it costs a lot of money, but if you want, you can work your butt off, save your money, pay for your tuition (or be stupid like me and just get student loans), and put yourself through college so that you can get a better job.
Like a college education, what if the prices are kept artificially high by government subsidies and protection such as patents? Should augmentations be subsidized for the poor in this case or should we eliminate these government benefits for the corporations?
Government benefits have no place in a free market.  JMO.
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