There he goes again myopically focusing on the underlings and declaring that the high-level elite are not organized. That is inane. Of course the high-level elite are by design expecting the bureaucrats to run around like chickens with their heads cut off.

The highest-level elite are not in control in the sense that if they tried to steer the ship another direction away from NWO eugenics, they could not because the people and the Industrial Age is conducive to socialism. If they tried, they would open a power vacuum that others would fill and take power away from them. They are just filling a demand in the dying Industrial Age.

Yeah MA is correct, the ship is on auto-pilot but the high-level elite are scheming and doing their role as preordained by the structure of the system.

I will agree with Armstrong's skepticism on cryptocurrencies. We can even see that Bitcoin is becoming increasingly centralized (by design) and will be easily regulated by the international cooperation to hunt down all "tax cheaters" (which is a euphemism for "any one who doesn't agree to expropriation and slavery").

To subvert the tremendous flaws in cryptocurrency is going to be a monumental effort.

And then, can we prevent the bastards from filtering our packets?

Lots of technical hurdles and some may be insurmountable (but not if smart people get to work, but I don't see very many smart people really working on the issues and we are running out of time...looks rather hopeless).

IMPORTANT: Could someone please email Armstrong immediately and ask him to include some analysis of the Bitcoin price and potential bottom in his upcoming precious metals report (private assets correlation)? Tell him many of us will buy the report if he does. We really need his computer model's analysis of Bitcoin's price.

Trust me, you are missing the point.


No, no, no. You'll never get there if you expect to teach people to prefer what they don't prefer. Never. You broke the fundamental rule of marketing.


Exactly. People have to want to use it because they like it better, makes them more productive, improves their profitability, gives them ways to do things which they are currently prevented from doing, etc..

That is why I said it all about doing the code to make that a reality. Not about politics.

And yes, making it incredibly easy-to-use. Now go study again my marketing of CoolPage. Who knows ease of use? And who knows what people want?

I am talking too much.

Definitely.


The politics of the Knowledge Age is delivering code that causes people to use it en masse. I did that for example with Cool Page at the end of 1998, where by 2000 or so, it had 335,000 verified websites according to AltaVista ("link:3dize.com" was the query) and the internet population was 1/10 of what it is now. Imagine little ole me creating 3.35 million hardcore users of something in today's population. And I was just getting started when my eye got exploded by a GI pipe and had to spend 2000 - 2002 in surgeries.

So what I am saying is that politics of this new age is about doing and creating something that people are compelled to use. And then they do. And they discover, "hey this works better, fuck the old world". And with that, the old world crumbles away...

There is still talking involved, e.g. marketing, design, business development, economic theory work, etc.. Not just programming. But programming is an essential component.

Use is the key. Let me repeat that again. Use. Use. Use.

Mircea Popescu on proper air-gapping for comsec (computer security):

http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-suspect-schneier-is-an-us-agent/

I didn't realized PDF is such a huge security hole:

http://www.malwaretracker.com/pdfthreat.php

Next time I see him, I will have to speak to him about not posting pics of my filipina gf to the web:

This is the Knowledge Age:

"Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds



Convincing is for politicians which are deprecated in the Knowledge Age.

Millionaires who don't, won't be millionaires for much longer...

https://twitter.com/dragosr/status/573544253151780864


By "duress password", he means a password that gives access but hides everything you didn't want to give access to. It is a diversionary password that hopefully satisfies the request of the gestapo.

Either don't buy a new car, or find a hacker who can disable wireless communications capabilities of the car.

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

Guardian is about 3 - 4 years after I wrote the seminal essay on the financeability of the Knowledge Age linked from the opening post of the Economic Devastation thread, and 14 years after I first alluded to the coming at the link quoted above.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jul/17/postcapitalism-end-of-capitalism-begun

Guardian is about 3 - 4 years after I wrote the seminal essay on the financeability of the Knowledge Age linked from the opening post of the Economic Devastation thread, and 14 years after I first alluded to the coming at the link quoted above.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jul/17/postcapitalism-end-of-capitalism-begun

MA still can't admit TPTB (axis powers) are staging and inciting the conflicts using propaganda to control the minds of the masses:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35448

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35483

Please don't attribute a quote to me that was a quote of Eric S. Raymond.

If you know Eric at all, you would know it is impossible that he would argue against the values of cooperation, helpful reputation, and the gift culture of sharing in an Inverse Commons:

http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/magic-cauldron/magic-cauldron-2.html

http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/magic-cauldron/magic-cauldron-5.html

Rather Eric's point is the Dark Enlightenment is against government claiming to be able to enforce equality, which is of course unnatural, impossible, and entirely corrupt.

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Ah so then Marx (and Godwin's concept of technological change solving the problem over time) is nearly congruent with my concept of where we are headed in a Knowledge Age in the sense that capital will naturally be held by those who are able to actively create knowledge. And near zero margin tangible resource costs relative in value to the knowledge production of the economy.

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Communists eliminate needs by removing demand, i.e. killing fields. Mao exterminated some 50+ million.

Knowledge Age capitalists eliminate needs by producing more technology which empowers individuals to produce individually and satiate their needs.

Please don't attribute a quote to me that was a quote of Eric S. Raymond.

If you know Eric at all, you would know it is impossible that he would argue against the values of cooperation, helpful reputation, and the gift culture of sharing in an Inverse Commons:

http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/magic-cauldron/magic-cauldron-2.html

http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/magic-cauldron/magic-cauldron-5.html

Rather Eric's point is the Dark Enlightenment is against government claiming to be able to enforce equality, which is of course unnatural, impossible, and entirely corrupt.

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Ah so then Marx (and Godwin's concept of technological change solving the problem over time) is nearly congruent with my concept of where we are headed in a Knowledge Age in the sense that capital will naturally be held by those who are able to actively create knowledge. And near zero margin tangible resource costs relative in value to the knowledge production of the economy.

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Communists eliminate needs by removing demand, i.e. killing fields. Mao exterminated some 50+ million.

Knowledge Age capitalists eliminate needs by producing more technology which empowers individuals to produce individually and satiate their needs.

All existing anonymity technologies are incomplete and insufficient.


I emphatically disagree both on technical reasons and also it having no natural commerce function. Cryptonote advanced the state-of-the-art, but it is incomplete. Monero will be unable to hard fork the necessary technological advances because such advances will be too radically different from the inertia that exists.


There must be a popular and natural commerce function that exceeds the size of the existing Industrial Age global GDP.

I am envisioning a Knowledge Age economy that is orders-of-magnitude larger in value than the current global GDP.

To tap into this and get it rolling is mostly technological work that needs to be done. And yet Bitcoin $millionaires who could have funded this work when they had millions, were instead smoking cigars and having (probably relatively useless) meetings at $million castles or expending the money on expensive toys such as Ferraris. They don't seem to understand the sacrifices they needed to make in 2014 to adopt anonymity procedures and get things done. It is no excuse to say that one doesn't understand technology or doesn't have time. A $millionaire can afford the necessary help to make important things happen. God entrusted this capital (talents) with them for a purpose, and not to be lazy about it or make excuses which do not make sense. We must maximize our talents on what is needed. If you do not understand the technology, then pay someone who does to advise you.

And now it is getting into the late innings of the coming smashup into the NWO 666 system.

I see these HODLers myopically "self-interested" with their capital being totally and completely wasted sitting idle in Monero, Bitcoin, and gold waiting for what you think is the big payoff, instead of putting (at least some of) their capital to work actually creating the technologies that are desperately needed but which do not yet exist.

You think I am insane enough to attempt to do all that work all by myself whilst everyone here pontificates and wastes precious time. Sheesh.  

We are the antithesis of organized.

Theoretically the best mixing technology that exists for Bitcoin is CoinShuffle. It has some issues which will inhibit it from scaling, yet it can be decentralized, its anonymity set is known (to the extent the adversary isn't in the set), and to some extent it can probably dissuade most of the DoS that threatens naive CoinJoin (but not entirely and my original criticism against CoinJoin remains valid) and do so without requiring a master server as DarkCoin does or did (I am not following the changes to DarkCoin and its name change to Dash).

I owned 18,000 troy oz of silver in 2008. I was buying Comex bars below $9 and minting them into silver rounds during the shortage of rounds on that price drop. I loved the feel of the gold and even silver coins in my hand. Heck I was exporting silver rounds and 90% silver dimes&quarters to rpietilla in Finland for his silver investing initiatives. This isn't an issue of myself being too young to admire tangible value. Rather this is an issue of myself being too smart to think retarded thoughts.


What you fail to factor into your analysis is that tinfoil hats don't make a market of commerce. They can all buy for a store-of-value, but who do they sell to? Ultimately they are relying on society to demand gold and silver for something. But therein lies the problem. Society will not demand them as money rather only the few sparsely geodistributed tinfoil hats who are always buyers and never sellers (except when they sell out of desperation for cash flow at the bottom and/or get expropriated by coming high taxes and Civil Asset Forfeiture on money laundered asset classes), other than for limited demand as jewelry and some limited industrial and electronic applications. But remember the global economy will be be imploding, so aggregate demand for everything will be declining. Saving up industrial metal right before a global collapse in demand, means the only buyers of the future are the tinfoil hats themselves. Not smart.


Your thoughts are based in fantasy.

If we humans were that organized, there wouldn't be any crisis in the first place. It is precisely that we are all dependent on the debt-based economy and there is no way for us to collectively cross the chasm of defaults socially and remain cohesive is how the bastards have managed to enslave us. That is why Bitcoin is no viable solution for Greece because Greece is a large economy that depends on external and tourism trade and any move to BTC would cause Greece to be cut off from the world by the axis powers and probably also the axis powers would fund internal internecine chaos, deprivation, and starvation.

Thus your error is there won't be an organized resistance with sufficient community protection. The first thing Hellary Slimeton will decree in a martial law collapse is pummel the self-reliant communities and militias in the USA. If necessary they can poison them from the air with toxins.

Also what you are failing to grasp is that there are very few self-reliant people remaining on this planet. When the crisis envelopes, the gangs will take over the lawless areas and turn them into mad max. Most people will move to government protected areas and follow what they are told to do, so they can be fed and sheltered.

It can also transpire in a less mad max form. The government can slowly ratchet up expropriation laws and regulations, and the self-reliants ones are divided-and-conquered as they are slowly whittled down as those amongst them that capitulate to the government (e.g. are bankrupted, lose their land to the BLM, EPA, etc). This will be capitulation by 1000 paper cuts. Imagine a herd of animals, and the hunting animal picks off the weakest from the herd first. In this way, TPTB will whittle down the resistance movement to those few diehards, then they can assassinate those last few remaining, isolated nutcases. They already own the minds of our children with social media, smartphones, and the "education" system. I think this is the more likely and preferred scenario of TPTB. They are only preparing for the mad max scenario if they are forced to it.

For example, what happened to Bundy Ranch? Everyone has forgotten by now. Eventually the Feds will whittle down that resistance and take him down.

To put this into reality for you, imagine a small Pacific Island that has to import nearly everything. How the hell is it supposed to survive using an illegal money and depending on ships coming from and across jurisdictions regulated by TPTB. The resistance movement is an analogous island. They don't even have allodial title sovereignty over the land which they stand on.

There is no realistic way to successfully resist out in the open in the tangible economy. Our only hope is the virtualized, Knowledge Age economy where we can be entirely anonymous so our organization is impenetrable, unassailable, and thus inalienable. Who me? No, I am just a simpleton who survives raising small farm animals and a garden. Or, oh yes I am the programmer of that new software X. Did you buy it too? No I never worked on any anonymous shit. I am not crazy enough to get myself in trouble doing something as insane as that.

You all do realize I was just thumping my oversized ego when I said I was working on anonymity technology.   There is nothing really there.  

Do not try to argue against MA on facts of historical outcomes, because he has 6000 years $1 billion of backtested data so he knows what happens. No theories needed.

What you apparently did not enter into your analysis is that in F.U.B.A.R. mad max collapse, if you attempt to spend gold, you become a target for marauding gangs and also in any government haven a target for expropriation by the government.

Anonymous crypto-coin yes, it might work (but will we be able to keep the network up and running?).

rpietila, I moved our discussion about theory of change activism in money systems, and username18333 on the applicability of his Great Empire of Hyperaccelerated Redistribution Theft™ anti-money altcoin, to the Economic Devastation thread which is more apropos.

Even Karl Marx understood that the system of social structure was a result of (and not the cause of) the mode of production driven by technology (a.k.a. "natural science"). He eloquently stated that the mode of production shifted over time due to changes in the underlying technological "forces of" production. He explained that what he meant by capitalism is the "modern bourgeois society" which he certainly meant those who could aggregate more capital in the power-law distribution simply because they had more capital.

Karl Marx did not state that the reason for this rise of monetary capitalists is because the Industrial Age can be financed with usury because industry (e.g. factories) require high fixed capital investments, with amortized rates of return. And thus industrial society can not produce without concentration of monetary capital. And thus capitalists are then able to capture the government and write off usury defaults to the public backstop, because in an industrial society production is too big to fail because it does not incorporate Taleb's anti-fragility thus investments in production overcommit to egregious estimation errors because there is a contagion effect of increasing debt to stimulate demand and production. In short, the entire industrial system is doomed to corruption by its very technological nature regardless what social structure is attempted to build on top of it.

Whereas, in the opening post of the Economic Devastation thread, CoinCube has cited my writings on the theory that the Knowledge Age inverts the control over capital, because knowledge creation (not preexisting knowledge consumption per se, although learning is diversified especially if autodidactic undirected and thus a form of innovative knowledge creation) spawns chaotically and unpredictably, thus can not be control by monetary capital. It is the changes in technology which have enabled individuals to directly "sell" (trade) their knowledge creation into the market of demand for knowledge creation, and stepping out from under the control and reason for existance of the corporation in the Theory of the Firm, that is destroying the utility of excessive quantities of stored monetary capital, because it is implausible to convert these large stores of capital to efficient production of knowledge. This is the why the old world industrial capitalists are creating a new world order of totalitarian control in order to try to hang on to their power which is being fundamentally eroded by technological shift to the Knowledge Age.

I believe I am the progenitor of the concept and term Knowledge Age in this context.

I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.

I have argued that username18333 makes the same mistake that all communists and socialists do, in that they can think by force of destroying freedom by stealing from some to give to others that they can change the underlying forces of production. One day I will need to take the time to read all of Marx to understand how he ostensibly transitioned from a correct statement of reality in the Preface to such a horrific killing field of Communism.

P.S. I am the former AnonyMint, the creator of this Dark Enlightenment thread.