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6141  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 21, 2012, 07:12:06 PM

He's a suburban Angelino. Probably hasn't ever seen a cow that wasn't already ground up.

It also occurred to me that other than driving the country into the ditch, this guy is also well known for something not completely dissimilar



Quote from: Wikipedia
The mission statement of Habitat for Humanity is "Seeking to put God’s love into action, Habitat for Humanity brings people together to build homes, communities and hope."[2] Homes are built using volunteer labor and are sold at no profit.
6142  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 21, 2012, 07:05:05 PM

Always the allusion to the settler days and the wild west.


What? Please do tell what has superseded barns in your part of the world? Some high-tech solar-powered force-field perhaps?
6143  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 21, 2012, 02:48:33 PM

2) There are many things that might seem obvious to some people, but are extremely hard to communicate to others. For example, regarding these notions of "compulsory voluntarism" AKA "consensus based society" -- I'm sure most 10 year olds intuitively understand from personal experience in the playground, that if you get a large enough group together, there's no way in hell everyone is always going to agree on everything. They also see that things generally work better if the group succeeds in making a decision rather than dithering. They also understand peer pressure, where some members of a group say that they "voluntarily agree" when they're actually relenting. They understand that there's an unspoken exchange going on: group membership and activities have value, and 'weak' or submissive members must make sacrifices for everyone's sake. An-Cap supporters don't seem to get these basics, and they somehow imagine that everyone is already basically the same. This is pure speculation, but these discussions give me the impression that An-Cap supporters maybe missed out on those playground social lessons due to all that 'home-schooling'. Or maybe they suffered some terrible trauma at the hands of "State school bullies or teachers", which destroyed their innocence and naive faith in authority figures?


Total straw man. In such a group, even with peer pressure and weak or strong members, an individual is always free not to participate (hopefully). Barns can get built without the need for a tax collector.
6144  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 21, 2012, 01:08:41 AM
I reckon the plantation owners felt they could do some pretty good rationalization too.
6145  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 20, 2012, 10:00:41 PM

If you had no self-interest, you wouldn't care about your family. Hear me out: Why did you start that family? Purely out of concern for the continuation of the species? Did you pick your wife solely on genetic factors? Do you want your children to thrive simply because they are human beings? No, you have self-interested reasons for all of that. Face it, you're selfish. It's not a bad thing. It's how humanity has progressed this far, and it's how we will continue to make progress.

Any of those other reasons would also be self-interest. Actions are either neutral, self-destructive or for self-interest. If I stand in the cold dishing out soup to the homeless, it is because it provides me with something, even if it is only a feeling of well-being or just assuaging some white guilt.
6146  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 20, 2012, 09:56:54 PM

Selfish is a bad thing, it is a major reason society is messed right now.  Everyone so focused on themselves with their narcissistic tendencies has let our republic some to the point of almost utter collapse.  Participation in your community and your government is how you keep a prospering society (I don't mean financially, I mean socially and culturally). 

You just represent the next step towards a point where it is fully justified to be selfish and cut-throat with no moral reservation to the impact of your behavior to people other than your own personal benefit.  Life becomes only cold calculation for the most part and our humanity just dies off in general because no one cares and they don't feel it is their responsibility to care and or do something.

This is one of the major flaws of the AnCap ideology.   

Note the need to ascribe sinister motives to those with a different opinion. You don't just have a different perspective on life, you are bad, evil etc.
6147  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 20, 2012, 09:53:28 PM
Authority is gained and negotiated over time.  Also it is not just "the will of some people", most people agree with having some form of central government.  They would choose it given a choice because they distrust most people they are not in direct contact with.  This is the point this fringe AnCap movement is missing, people are social and are naturally inclined to form methods of hierarchy. 

I don't think it's missed at all. I think the point is that it should be voluntary.
6148  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 20, 2012, 04:32:45 PM
Dalkore, just caught up reading the rest of your arguments. The gist of your claim is that, since you were born in this society that provided you, you now "owe" that society for the things it provided. Fair enough. So, tell me, how much is that debt, exactly, and how can one pay it off? I'm not even suggesting "i paid of my debt, so nowI can ignore rules and laws when I'm visiting others or am on public property." Rules that others establish for their own property I'm fine with. I mean, how much do I have to pay to buy back the claims that the state has laid on me and my own property, so that I can be free  to have my own rules on the land I own, and pay taxes only for services  I want?

I like this line of thought.

One question, though: How would this not be a slave purchasing their own freedom?

Oh, it surely would be. But, as you say, even many slaves got to purchase their freedom. I think this just highlights the fallacy of the "You are born owing a debt" bullshit.
6149  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 20, 2012, 04:17:25 PM
Dalkore, just caught up reading the rest of your arguments. The gist of your claim is that, since you were born in this society that provided you, you now "owe" that society for the things it provided. Fair enough. So, tell me, how much is that debt, exactly, and how can one pay it off? I'm not even suggesting "i paid of my debt, so nowI can ignore rules and laws when I'm visiting others or am on public property." Rules that others establish for their own property I'm fine with. I mean, how much do I have to pay to buy back the claims that the state has laid on me and my own property, so that I can be free  to have my own rules on the land I own, and pay taxes only for services  I want?

I like this line of thought.
6150  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 20, 2012, 04:13:51 PM
Unless you are a 100% Native American, your parents either immigrated or were brought as slaves so they signed themselves up and you defacto when they came here. 

Neither of these happen to be the case but that's not really relevant to a general discussion. You still have not specified a source for the authority other than the will of some people.
6151  Other / Off-topic / Re: Gun free zone on: December 20, 2012, 04:10:25 PM

in a way, you are saying that the usa is, regarding guns, fucked up beyond repair. i can agree on that.

So given that*, what is the correct and most effective response to the problems?






*I disagree with this perspective but let's not make that the issue
6152  Other / Off-topic / Re: Gun free zone on: December 19, 2012, 08:40:00 PM

In some schools they do have airport style security.  I can't imagine it does wonders for creating a welcoming learning environment.

Oh, they learn to be good little worker drones real fine. Shut-up and submit.
6153  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will the Armory come back if USA changes its weapon laws? on: December 19, 2012, 08:37:01 PM

There's a nerf gun that does that. Not sure how accurate it is, or how it would scale to anything capable of doing damage.

That's what I was thinking. I was actually 'inspired' by a Mythbusters where they fired a penny from a modified rifle. It's a square hole so could eliminate any need for rotary tooling if the disk could be given some spin. The point of rifling is stability of the bullet but how essential is it that the axis of spin be along direction of travel?

OTOH, those nerf guns tend to skew to one side so that may be an issue. Then does the ammo need to be caseless and what do you do about feeding? Probably a dead-end but I think I'll mull on it a while.
6154  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 19, 2012, 08:32:39 PM

I own myself (body, mind and spirit) and I understand that I am not the only claimant on my output that is codified in our taxation system, in America.  

To Myrkul:  "Check"

So by what authority does the "codified taxation system" have on your property other than just a bunch of people want to take your stuff?
6155  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will the Armory come back if USA changes its weapon laws? on: December 19, 2012, 08:25:47 PM
I wonder if it would be possible to come up with a design for a gun assembled from (for example) laser-cut 1/8" steel or aluminum plate stacked and riveted.

That's basically an AK-47.  They are stamped out of sheet metal.  The only part which needs machining above the peasant-workshop level is the barrel.

This is also why AK-47's suck.  When running, they feel and sound like you are holding an old worn-out cake mixer that's about to fly apart in your hands.  Civilized gentlemen don't own them.

I mean avoiding any stamping or bending or anything that requires any level of skill other than fixing a bunch of rivets (nuts and bolts might even be an idea).

I even have an idea about the barrel. Forget round bullets, would shooting coin-type disks work if you could give them some spin?
6156  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will the Armory come back if USA changes its weapon laws? on: December 19, 2012, 03:37:48 PM
I wonder if it would be possible to come up with a design for a gun assembled from (for example) laser-cut 1/8" steel or aluminum plate stacked and riveted. The barrel would have to be created by other methods probably. The real tricky part there is that one of the major advancements in firearms is rifling and that requires some clever design (though it might be straightforward for sufficiently advanced 3d printing)
6157  Other / Off-topic / Re: Running out of money fast! on: December 19, 2012, 03:21:56 PM
Ultimately, you have to decide if you are married or just two people living in the same house.
6158  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will the Armory come back if USA changes its weapon laws? on: December 19, 2012, 05:38:12 AM
3d printer is probably the wrong technology anyway. They're cool and I would love to have one but something in CNC would get you something better, cheaper and more reliable.
6159  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If society was an organism... on: December 19, 2012, 05:23:28 AM
Possibly the government could be part of the brain. The lizard part. Eat, f*ck, fight, sh*t. That's about all it can manage.

I can see where some arguments could be made for the monkey part too. But it comes nowhere near the frontal lobes.
6160  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 19, 2012, 05:14:46 AM
All this arguing is pointless.  Aggression is a biological problem, once that problem is solved there will be no need for many services that the government claims it must exist to provide.

Aggression has very little power if a person cannot be executed, feel pain, or be imprisoned.

Just you wait for the robot rebellion.
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