Deployment of market-maker scripts has now been resumed, using the new high level API calls to place offers. This means that more and more markets, at various scales, should start filling with offers as creation of the full gamut of scripts for more and more asset-pairs proceeds... These scripts basically aim to bracket the values shown in the asset valuation reports that are online at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html-MarkM- |
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Our private message conversation made it clear to me that it isn't even about trusting you to pay your debts when your grand plans fail, it is about your grand plans being impractical.
For example the massively lucrative hosting business. I have created an ISP in the past, I have run an ISP from my home. If as you claimed a 5% budget for marketing should bring in enough customers then how are you doing so far as an affiliate selling hosting to prove you can in fact do the marketing end of things? Actually if you check out the online marketing forums (NetMarketingForum dot com for example) you will soon see how awesomely lucrative online marketing can be, so hey if in fact you are as capable as you claim or imagine yourself to be you should have no problem raising your startup capital for anything actually requiring startup capital just by doing affiliate marketing.
You need not even limit yourself to marketing hosting either, as you build your "list" you can market anything to them, plus if you take the approach of convincing marketers that effective marketing requires a website you can recruit marketers under you, selling them hosting and mailing-list offers, which is just part of how the bigwig marketing guys do it.
So... our conversation was long ago now. How much stuff have you managed to sell so far?
If you can't sell stuff, your grand plans are pretty much dead on arrival...
-MarkM-
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Of course its inevitable, eventually...
Have you never heard that old saying, how does it go, "eventually say eventually", or something along those lines?
-MarkM-
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Isn't this where multi currency systems come into play? Bimetalism, multimetalism?
I'd guess multiple systems as an exchange for each of the worlds current currencies would be able to establish a true exchange rate based on how bitcoins are being bought and spent between currencies. The results of that could be very scary and I'm not sure there would be enough bitcoins (or bank reserves) to support it once the arbitrage starts. Not sure? No problem... cue empiricism!  Consider for example a few nations such as the Canucks, the Brits, the Martians, each with their own blockchain (CDN, UKB, MBC). Add a couple of major multigalactic corporations such as General Mining Corp and General Retirement Funds, also with their own blockchains (GMC and GRF). Maybe a multinational metanation would be useful too, like the (galactic/multi-galactic) United Nations with its own blockchain scrip (UNS). We know what assets each of these entities owns, so if we know how many coins to divide its assets among we know how much of its assets each coin represents. Naturally the Canucks like to denominate loans they make to others in CDN, so when a miner who is paying 1%/day to GMC on startup loans comes to the Canucks looking for refinancing at a lower interest rate they would like repayment to be in CDN. But there are a lot of mining corps out there, so a bunch of entrepeneurial developers, who, of course, favour devcoin (DVC), forms a new multigalactic corp, General Financial Corp to do the legwork of finding cheaper interest rates for busy intergalactic miners who are busy enough running their vast mining operations that they really don't have time to go hobnob with politicians, clans, governments and so on trying to suck up to one enough to talk them into giving a better interest rate loan to refinance those usurious startup loans the GMC and GRF corps gave to mining startups. The GFC denominates its loans in devcoins, and that turns out to get them into a nasty situation, because no one knows exactly what assets the sum total of all devcoins actually represents, so markets instead of actual inventories of assets end up getting in on the devcoin valuation estimates everyone is trying to use. General Financial Corp borrows a million GRF from the Canucks, but of course how much they owe is denominated in CDN, not in GRF. The conversion rate of CDN to GRF was looked up when they took the loan, to record how much CDN they owe the Canucks. The usual situation for a mining startup was to get half their financing from GMC and half from GRF, so General Financial Corp converts some of its borrowed GRF wealth into GMC currency so they can offer to miners to refinance both their loans at once, getting them off the 1%/day (Earth day, not game day; one earth day is several game days) hook, offering them half a percent a day. (They did their bulk borrow from the Canucks at a quarter of a percent a day.) Take a look at a table of asset values expressed in CDN at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.htmlTake a look also at the share values tables, wherein sGFC is the shares of the General Financial Corp. Devcoin's value is very volatile because one never knows what the sum total assets of all devcoins in the aggregate add up to so one ends up doing fudging estimations like "I wonder how much bitcoin it would buy today on such and such a planet in such and such a galaxy", or "I wonder how many tons of deuterium it would buy in such and such a galaxy" instead of being able to figure aha there are this many coins each being in essence a share of a mutual fund that owns this list of assets, many of which have well known relatively nonvolatile values... An important thing to notice in all this is the total number of devcoins owed to GFC is vastly, by orders of magnitude, larger than the total number of devcoins that will be minted in the next gosh knows how many years. These folks do not go to market to buy and sell things, they look at their conversion rates table. If the total assets of the Martians are five times the total assets of the Canadians then one Martian coin is worth five Canadian coins, if both happen to be (as they are) chains of 21 million coins each (or, in general, of the same number of coins each). So when a miner wants to pay some of the devcoins he owes, he tells the folk he sells the stuff he mines to to please remit the payment to the General Financial Corp to be credited against the loan. Usually people buying mined stuff pay in GMC or GRF. The financial corp looks up the current conversion rate of GMC or GRF to devcoins, and credits against the loan accordingly. Basically there is a difference between units of account and actual "specie" aka "coins". ("Cash"?) The quantities on the books of how much of what is owed to who is not limited to the number of "actually minted objects" to which the units of account refer. I suspect it is not by sheer coincidence that the forex market is much larger than other markets; quite possibly it needs to be absolutely vast in order that mere material products being shipped around from owner to owner hardly makes a dent in the "ballast" of "units of account" that maybe somewhat help against volatility. (I keep wondering if financial "ballast" is in any way akin to the "ballast" of coils and/or capacitors used in some electrical applications...) -MarkM- |
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Isn't this where multi currency systems come into play? Bimetalism, multimetalism?
Don't directly attack the interface between one type of fiat and one type of cryptocoin, instead dodge around, shifting the exchange rates between various cryptocurrencies, adding more cryptocurrencies or crashing a bunch of volatile cryptocurrencies to try to focus high value low volatility in, say, bitcoins while pushing low value high volatility into a swarm of junk coin varieties, or somesuch?
I suppose the entire fiat world could try to consolidate as one side and the entire crypto world as another and try to go head to head at each and every fiat/non-fiat pair, but isn't fiat kind of at a disadvantage when it comes right down to it?
-MarkM-
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Currently though, this code does not actually exist. Also, I trying to peg a currency is fraught with problems, supposedly. Merged mining is code that already exists, and merged mined chains are plug-and-play compatible with existing software that currently contacts a bitcoin daemon to do transactions, so software already exists which should work fine with almost any merged-mined chain, Pegging is not the only way to stabilise the value of a currency; using reserves seems to work quite well. It has been well over a year now since various altchains that use the reserves approach were started, and their values seem strikingly stable compared to the volatility of chains whose coins are minted by arbitrary random miners who maybe have no interest in the coins other than that of dumping them for fiat. Of course it is hard to see the stability if you express values in terms of some highly volatile coin, but take a look for example at the values expressed in CDN and/or the values expressed in NKL, at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html-MarkM- |
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I did that branch thing, but the result is even worse, it spews vast number of errors. First it complained that -Wformat-security is ignored since -Wformat was not specified. I fixed that, but then it started spewing stuff that seems as if it ought to be about a GUI app not about the daemon at all: g++ -pthread -Wextra -Wno-sign-compare -Wno-char-subscripts -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wformat -Wformat-security -g -DNOPCH -I../../deps/include -I/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src -DUSE_UPNP=0 -DUSE_SSL -fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-z,now -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -O2 -o bitcoind obj/checkpoints.o obj/netbase.o obj/crypter.o obj/key.o obj/db.o obj/init.o obj/irc.o obj/keystore.o obj/main.o obj/net.o obj/protocol.o obj/bitcoinrpc.o obj/rpcdump.o obj/script.o obj/util.o obj/wallet.o -L../../deps/lib -Wl,-Bdynamic -l boost_system-mt -l boost_filesystem-mt -l boost_program_options-mt -l boost_thread-mt -l db_cxx -l ssl -l crypto -l miniupnpc -Wl,-Bdynamic -l z -l dl -l pthread
obj/db.o: In function `CAddrMan::Add(std::vector<CAddress, std::allocator<CAddress> > const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:433: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::Add_(CAddress const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)'
obj/db.o: In function `CAddrInfo::GetNewBucket(std::vector<unsigned char, std::allocator<unsigned char> > const&) const':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:84: undefined reference to `CAddrInfo::GetNewBucket(std::vector<unsigned char, std::allocator<unsigned char> > const&, CNetAddr const&) const'
obj/db.o: In function `void CAddrMan::Unserialize<CDataStream>(CDataStream&, int, int)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:247: undefined reference to `CAddrInfo::GetTriedBucket(std::vector<unsigned char, std::allocator<unsigned char> > const&) const'
obj/init.o: In function `AppInit2(int, char**)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:244: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:244: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:244: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:244: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:244: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
obj/init.o:/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:244: more undefined references to `_(char const*)' follow
obj/init.o: In function `std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >::_M_data() const':
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/bits/basic_string.h:288: undefined reference to `CLIENT_DATE'
obj/init.o: In function `AppInit2(int, char**)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:362: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:362: undefined reference to `InitMessage(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:366: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:369: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:369: undefined reference to `InitMessage(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:350: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:350: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:350: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:385: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:385: undefined reference to `InitMessage(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:405: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:431: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:434: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:454: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:454: undefined reference to `InitMessage(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:461: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:461: undefined reference to `InitMessage(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:473: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:473: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:373: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:420: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:399: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:401: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:401: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:560: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:560: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:396: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:394: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
obj/init.o: In function `CAddrMan::Add(CAddress const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:417: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::Add_(CAddress const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)'
obj/init.o: In function `AppInit2(int, char**)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:529: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:529: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:529: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:584: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:584: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:584: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:580: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:580: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:580: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:612: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:612: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:612: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:592: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:592: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:592: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:600: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:600: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/init.cpp:600: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
obj/main.o: In function `CheckDiskSpace(unsigned long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/main.cpp:2168: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/main.cpp:2171: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
obj/main.o: In function `CAlert::AppliesToMe() const':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/main.h:1683: undefined reference to `CLIENT_NAME'
obj/main.o: In function `InvalidChainFound':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/main.cpp:972: undefined reference to `MainFrameRepaint()'
obj/main.o: In function `CAlert::ProcessAlert()':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/main.cpp:2519: undefined reference to `MainFrameRepaint()'
obj/main.o: In function `CBlock::AddToBlockIndex(unsigned int, unsigned int)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/main.cpp:1848: undefined reference to `MainFrameRepaint()'
obj/main.o: In function `CAddrMan::Good(CService const&, long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:447: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::Good_(CService const&, long long)'
obj/main.o: In function `CAlert::AppliesToMe() const':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/main.h:1683: undefined reference to `CLIENT_NAME'
obj/main.o: In function `CAddrMan::Add(CAddress const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:417: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::Add_(CAddress const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)'
obj/main.o: In function `CAddrMan::Add(std::vector<CAddress, std::allocator<CAddress> > const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:433: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::Add_(CAddress const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)'
obj/main.o: In function `CAddrMan::GetAddr()':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:484: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::GetAddr_(std::vector<CAddress, std::allocator<CAddress> >&)'
obj/main.o: In function `CAddrMan::Good(CService const&, long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:447: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::Good_(CService const&, long long)'
obj/main.o: In function `CAlert::AppliesToMe() const':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/main.h:1683: undefined reference to `CLIENT_NAME'
obj/main.o: In function `__static_initialization_and_destruction_0':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/main.cpp:2412: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
obj/net.o: In function `BindListenPort(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >&)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/net.cpp:1503: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
obj/net.o: In function `CAddrMan::Connected(CService const&, long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:496: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::Connected_(CService const&, long long)'
obj/net.o: In function `CAddrMan::Add(std::vector<CAddress, std::allocator<CAddress> > const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:433: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::Add_(CAddress const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)'
obj/net.o: In function `CNode::PushVersion()':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/net.cpp:407: undefined reference to `CLIENT_NAME'
obj/net.o: In function `ThreadSocketHandler2(void*)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/net.cpp:567: undefined reference to `MainFrameRepaint()'
obj/net.o: In function `CAddrMan::Attempt(CService const&, long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:458: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::Attempt_(CService const&, long long)'
obj/net.o: In function `CAddrMan::Select(int)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:471: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::Select_(int)'
obj/net.o: In function `CAddrMan::Add(std::vector<CAddress, std::allocator<CAddress> > const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:433: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::Add_(CAddress const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)'
obj/bitcoinrpc.o: In function `GetAccountBalance(CWalletDB&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:766: undefined reference to `CWalletDB::GetAccountCreditDebit(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)'
obj/bitcoinrpc.o: In function `backupwallet(std::vector<json_spirit::Value_impl<json_spirit::Config_vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > >, std::allocator<json_spirit::Value_impl<json_spirit::Config_vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > > > > const&, bool)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:1525: undefined reference to `BackupWallet(CWallet const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)'
obj/bitcoinrpc.o: In function `CallRPC(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::vector<json_spirit::Value_impl<json_spirit::Config_vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > >, std::allocator<json_spirit::Value_impl<json_spirit::Config_vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > > > > const&)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:2806: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
obj/bitcoinrpc.o: In function `CAlert::AppliesToMe() const':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/main.h:1683: undefined reference to `CLIENT_NAME'
obj/bitcoinrpc.o: In function `listaccounts(std::vector<json_spirit::Value_impl<json_spirit::Config_vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > >, std::allocator<json_spirit::Value_impl<json_spirit::Config_vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > > > > const&, bool)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:1408: undefined reference to `CWalletDB::ListAccountCreditDebit(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::list<CAccountingEntry, std::allocator<CAccountingEntry> >&)'
obj/bitcoinrpc.o: In function `GetAccountAddress(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, bool)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:419: undefined reference to `CWalletDB::ReadAccount(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, CAccount&)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:446: undefined reference to `CWalletDB::WriteAccount(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, CAccount const&)'
obj/bitcoinrpc.o: In function `movecmd(std::vector<json_spirit::Value_impl<json_spirit::Config_vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > >, std::allocator<json_spirit::Value_impl<json_spirit::Config_vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > > > > const&, bool)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:861: undefined reference to `CWalletDB::WriteAccountingEntry(CAccountingEntry const&)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:870: undefined reference to `CWalletDB::WriteAccountingEntry(CAccountingEntry const&)'
obj/bitcoinrpc.o: In function `ThreadRPCServer2(void*)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:2614: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:2627: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:2627: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:2627: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:2616: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:2648: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:2648: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:2648: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
obj/bitcoinrpc.o: In function `listtransactions(std::vector<json_spirit::Value_impl<json_spirit::Config_vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > >, std::allocator<json_spirit::Value_impl<json_spirit::Config_vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > > > > const&, bool)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp:1331: undefined reference to `CWalletDB::ListAccountCreditDebit(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::list<CAccountingEntry, std::allocator<CAccountingEntry> >&)'
obj/rpcdump.o: In function `importprivkey(std::vector<json_spirit::Value_impl<json_spirit::Config_vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > >, std::allocator<json_spirit::Value_impl<json_spirit::Config_vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > > > > const&, bool)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/rpcdump.cpp:77: undefined reference to `MainFrameRepaint()'
obj/util.o: In function `FormatFullVersion()':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/util.cpp:1107: undefined reference to `CLIENT_BUILD'
obj/util.o: In function `AddTimeData(CNetAddr const&, long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/util.cpp:1074: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/util.cpp:1077: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeMessageBox(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int)'
obj/wallet.o: In function `CWallet::LoadWallet(bool&)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1427: undefined reference to `CWalletDB::LoadWallet(CWallet*)'
obj/wallet.o: In function `CreateThread':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/util.h:711: undefined reference to `ThreadFlushWalletDB(void*)'
obj/wallet.o: In function `CWallet::SetAddressBookName(CBitcoinAddress const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1452: undefined reference to `AddressBookRepaint()'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1455: undefined reference to `CWalletDB::WriteName(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)'
obj/wallet.o: In function `CWallet::AddToWallet(CWalletTx const&)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:390: undefined reference to `MainFrameRepaint()'
obj/wallet.o: In function `CWallet::DelAddressBookName(CBitcoinAddress const&)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1461: undefined reference to `AddressBookRepaint()'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1464: undefined reference to `CWalletDB::EraseName(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)'
obj/wallet.o: In function `CWallet::CommitTransaction(CWalletTx&, CReserveKey&)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1357: undefined reference to `MainFrameRepaint()'
obj/wallet.o: In function `CWallet::SendMoney(CScript, long long, CWalletTx&, bool)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1377: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1385: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1371: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1398: undefined reference to `MainFrameRepaint()'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1387: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1392: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1392: undefined reference to `ThreadSafeAskFee(long long, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1396: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
obj/wallet.o: In function `CWallet::SendMoneyToBitcoinAddress(CBitcoinAddress const&, long long, CWalletTx&, bool)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1410: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/wallet.cpp:1408: undefined reference to `_(char const*)'
obj/irc.o: In function `CAddrMan::Add(CAddress const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)':
/usr/src/bitcoin/ppcoin-lukejr-git/src/addrman.h:417: undefined reference to `CAddrMan::Add_(CAddress const&, CNetAddr const&, long long)'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [bitcoind] Error 1
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A daemon is what Windows maybe refers to as a "system service".
So when you succeed in launching the daemon, it should just go into the background, so you get your commandline prompt back ready to enter other commands.
To send commands to the deamon, you use the same program (ppcoind in this case), but do not use daemon flag, so it does not go into background to become the deamon; instead, it sends commands to the daemon. So you'd do "ppcoind getinfo" to have it ask the copy that is running as deamon for info, "ppcoind help" to get a list of such commands, "ppcoind -help" to get a list of switches (negative sign followed by a letter or keyword) you can use when starting it, etc.
NOTE this likely means you should not say deamon in the config file, because only when you first start a copy as a daemon will you want it to go into background as a deamon; from then on when you run it to send a transfer or to ask for a list of transactions or whatever, you want it to stay in foreground get info from the copy that is in background and show you the results...
So normally you would on boot up of machine do ppcoind -daemon to start the deamon, then thereafter just use it to do commands that it does by communicating with that deamon copy you originally started that lives in background 24/7 maintaining the blockchain.
-MarkM-
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Personally I do not use config files, I just have a shell script that sets rpcuser and rpcpassword (and anything/everything else) on the commandline.
I think though you need both the username and the password, just putting one of them doesn't work, or at least for one of them (not sure now which) just using it without the other does not work.
-MarkM-
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All that tells me is...
"You should be able to use most bitcoin miners. RPC port default is 9902 for ppcoind"
but this does not tell me how to point my miner at the PPCoin blockchain or if i need to set up a config file to tell it where to send my solo mined blocks?? sorry little new here and running on both win 7 and win XP (2 comps for testing)
It is exactly the same as bitcoin except for the port number; use port number 9902. (And use the rpc username and password you set up for PPCoin instead of those you set up bitcoin to use IF you didnt use the same username and password for both.) -MarkM- |
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I did a git clone of that, using git clone https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin.git since that is the cloning URL github shows for grabbing that repo; but trying to run the resulting daemon gets an error I have never seen before: Did you change to the ppocoin branch after cloning? I have no idea what you mean. I cloned the specified repo and tried to compile. With every other coin I have cloned from github that worked fine. -MarkM- |
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Finally, a real non-scam altcoin! I'm not about to endorse it just yet, and time will tell if scammers turn it into a scamcoin, but it looks promising so far. Maybe if it keeps clean I'll even add support to Eligius in a few weeks  Also, I've created a branch with the latest bugfixes from Bitcoin-Qt 0.6.x. I did a git clone of that, using git clone https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin.git since that is the cloning URL github shows for grabbing that repo; but trying to run the resulting daemon gets an error I have never seen before: ************************
EXCEPTION: NSt8ios_base7failureE
ReadCompactSize() : size too large
bitcoin in AppInit()
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::ios_base::failure'
what(): ReadCompactSize() : size too large
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I am seeing a huge rate of hardware errors mining this with Diablo miner, way more than I see when using same miner to merged-mine umpteen coin types at once...
-MarkM-
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Is a GUI client being created? Apparently people are using the -qt client, that is GUI. -MarkM- |
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Daemon is right, for daemons. -server though is I think something for the GUI app to make it also accept rpc connections or something like that. I don't use it with the daemons, and that might be precisely because it doesn't work or does like you are seeing.
-MarkM-
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Launched the executable from the command line, set up the config file right, but I'm not able to type commands into the window, no typing shows up... did I do something wrong?
Unless you mean a GUI window of the GUI (-qt) version, it sounds like you started ppcoind without telling it to become a daemon, thus the commandline window you used to start it is still connected to its input and output instead of being freed up to await your next command... -MarkM- |
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Is there anyway to find out what kind of hashing power is being thrown as this?
I am unsure if I should let it keep mining it just give up.
You are using normal mining, right? Not scrypt? -MarkM- EDIT see post just above this one; supposedly that newmint figure means you HAVE mined coins. Have you done listtransactions to see unconfirmed ones? -MarkM- |
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The block reward appears to be consistently decreasing. The first block I mined was worth 2481.75. Maybe it is some sort of exponential decay from 2500/block?
That "newmint" : 7251.48000000 caston's getinfo output shows might be how many coins the next block will mint? Maybe they set it up to give tons of coins to first few miners, less to others later? Haven't read the whitepaper yet... (Coin first, settle down to read once coin is coming in...) -MarkM- |
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Is this necessary in order to work around the enmity some miners seem to have toward merged-mine-able chains?
In principle merged mining was intended to accomplish this ability for many new coins to easily be brought on line, in practice merged mining was even used to attack alternative chains instead of to secure them. Though maybe a more aggressive legal-action response to folk who attack networks could eventually ameliorate that, at least moving it from a public action of major pools to a back alley operation fully acknowleged to be as illegal as any other cyber-attack...
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Maybe try adding a PPCoin address for donations? -MarkM- |
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