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621  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Platform Exchanges Di Indonesia on: December 22, 2023, 08:35:22 AM
Kalau pengguna tokocrypto menggunakan dua jenis bank yang berbeda, apakah keduanya harus melampirkan rekening koran juga ya gan dan harus mengisi form deklarasi harta kekayaan juga.
Nah ini bisa jadi pertanyaan karena mungkin banyak orang yang memisahkan dana mereka ke beberapa rekening berbeda termasuk saya. Contoh: 1 buat kebutuhan rumah tangga, 1 lagi buat urusan bisnis, dan 1 lagi buat tabungan masa depan. Apakah yang diminta rekening korannya cuma yang terdaftar di tokocrypto saja atau bebas milih atau harus semua?
Menurut saya, rekening yang diminta untuk melampirkan rekening koran oleh tokocrypto adalah rekening yang pernah digunakan untuk transaksi disana. Misalnya saya menggunakan dua bank, BRI dan Mandiri, dua-duanya saya perlu mengirim file rekening koran. Itu tebakan saya sih mas.
Kita tunggu jawaban dari yang sudah melakukannya.

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Memang, satu sisi Pajak penting, Namun jika saya lihat itu tergantung dari kitanya juga, jika perlu ya, siapkan semua syaratnya dan jika tidak saya fikir masih aman-aman saja.
Surat yang dicantumkan mas @armanda90 bukan soal pajak itu om, tapi soal transaksi yang pernah dilakukan oleh pengguna tokocrypto selama 3 bulan terakhir.
622  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 21, 2023, 08:07:33 PM
I just wanted to say that maybe Real Betis will be the team that makes Girona fail to get full points tonight. As usual, Girona was in control of the game with 62% ball possession but this did not guarantee they would win until the match was over. However, it is proven that now Girona has scored a goal.

I'm sure, even though Girona are currently winning 1-0 (penalty), Manuel Pellegrini seems to already know the gap to make Girona fail at Villamarin.
Remember. Results may still change.
It looks like Girona will win this match until the end, Real Betis will not win this match, in fact I predict Girona will add their goals in the second half.
What do you think about the Real Betis vs Girona match? Correct what I said that Real Betis will be the team that will prevent Girona from getting full points. Real Betis will not win because Girona's performance is quite good and difficult to beat. However, after 90 minutes, Real Betis managed to stop Girona's victory well.

Because the result was a draw, Real Madrid had to make good use of the match against Deportivo Alaves. If Real Madrid succeeds in getting 3 points, then Real Madrid's points will be the same as Girona's 45.
623  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: You lose more when you over trade on: December 21, 2023, 07:49:37 PM
Most trader expecially newbies think crypto is a get rich quick scheme, and they feel very excited and motivated to enter the market more believing that it's going to make them rich by over trading, they don't know that quality beats quantity every day.
Regarding the correct way to trade and good trading methods, there are many available everywhere if trading beginners want to learn so as not to misunderstand trading.
It's just that people who have the perspective that trading is a way to get rich quickly are not willing to find out what trading is and how to do it.

I assume this is just a story. It's not that there are people who make mistakes in evaluating trading by thinking that trading is a get-rich-quick scheme and make mistakes in trading due to greed and impatience, but things that need to be avoided in trading are generally known.
624  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 21, 2023, 06:46:03 PM
Is today the day where Girona team start dropping some points? I dont know what to think, Betis is one of the best home teams in the league and they dont lose any game in this condition so far.
I just wanted to say that maybe Real Betis will be the team that makes Girona fail to get full points tonight. As usual, Girona was in control of the game with 62% ball possession but this did not guarantee they would win until the match was over. However, it is proven that now Girona has scored a goal.

I'm sure, even though Girona are currently winning 1-0 (penalty), Manuel Pellegrini seems to already know the gap to make Girona fail at Villamarin.
Remember. Results may still change.
625  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How dangerous are email phishing links and youtube and twitter links? on: December 21, 2023, 09:02:00 AM
So I seem to receive a lot of those phishing link emails from a fake coinbase or binance or metamask that goes on my spam email.  However, it sometimes still appear on my regular email?  How do spammers do this that the email goes straight to the regular email?  I know most of these emails tell you to click on a link and to connect to your wallet or ask you to enter your seed phrase.
How dangerous, the danger can cause important data to be lost. There is no need to explain in detail about the dangers of phishing links for those of us who open them if the short answer is that they can cause all important data to be lost.

The mode of data theft on the internet is carried out by spreading phishing links via platforms that are frequently used by many people.
People's advice to avoid storing data that is accessed on the internet is to avoid this because people accidentally open it by clicking on the link.
Bitcoin is a valuable asset. People can steal these assets by knowing the seed phrase. If the seed phrase is stored online, then it is because of accident that they steal it.

All forms of website access, log in and use the original version of them.
626  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ever heard about financing a gambler? on: December 21, 2023, 08:22:30 AM
The principle of a gambler is very bad if he wants to play but asks for capital.
No money, don't gamble. I think this principle should be adhered to by gamblers.
Even a professional prefers to finance his own gambling and does not want other people to finance his gambling, although perhaps many greedy people want to win big money but are limited by gambling sites so he chooses to finance someone to gamble for him, even though it is risk-free but still financing anyone is very not recommended because it is better to gamble with your own money rather than using other people's money.
There are and I have even found many gamblers who pay any amount to other gamblers to gamble with the agreement that has been made. Maybe the level is like boss and subordinate. I don't think that level is a personal gambler.
The daily withdrawal limit is a condition of a casino that encourages it to ask players to play with funds financed by it.

This pattern is different from what we mean here and the principle of don't gamble if you don't have money only applies to gamblers whose finances are not much greater or the remaining money is more than basic needs.
627  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Platform Exchanges Di Indonesia on: December 20, 2023, 08:59:22 AM
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Ini contoh form FOMULIR DEKLARASI HARTA KEKAYAAN PELANGGAN yang harus diisi untuk bisa withdraw kembali akun Tokocrypto saya


Udah kayak pejabat saja para pelaku trading yang diharuskan untuk melampirkan rekening koran serta diharuskan untuk mengisi form itu.
Pejabat biasanya melaporkan SPT tiap masuk bulan Desember dan melaporkan harta kekayaan kepada pihak terkait per 31 Desember.

Harta bergerak berapa banyak?
Harta tidak bergerak berapa jumlahnya.
Istri berapa dan anak berapa.
Rencana mau kawin lagi atau tidak. lol

Kalau pengguna tokocrypto menggunakan dua jenis bank yang berbeda, apakah keduanya harus melampirkan rekening koran juga ya gan dan harus mengisi form deklarasi harta kekayaan juga.

Kalau segitu ribet tokocrypto, mending balik lagi ke Oscar.
628  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ever heard about financing a gambler? on: December 20, 2023, 08:46:34 AM
How will you feel if someone you know or just a friend of a friend walk up to you and ask you to finance them in gambling in exchange for a portion of their winnings? Does this even make any sense
It is not a good idea to do so by giving him the requested money instead of the partial reward that will be given from the winnings obtained.
Winning is not a result that can be guaranteed to be achieved by players in gambling. If he wins, he will keep his promise, but if he loses, what will happen to the money we gave him?

The principle of a gambler is very bad if he wants to play but asks for capital.
No money, don't gamble. I think this principle should be adhered to by gamblers.
629  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: El Salvador has become the first country to make #Bitcoin legal tender! 🇸🇻 on: December 20, 2023, 07:51:38 AM
The difference between Panama / Costa Rica and El Salvador is that presidents of these nations have different mindsets. While we have seen documents proposing to make Bitcoin a legal tender in Panama and Costa Rica presented by parliamentarians there is no willpower from the executive to lobby for the passing of these bills. Nayid Bukele had to lobby the legislative arm and convince them to sign the bill after comprehensively explaining the benefits to the lawmakers.

But in the case of Panama and Costa Rica Laurentino Cortizo and Rodrigo Chaves Robles are not passionate about Bitcoin like their El Salvador counterparts. Maybe these presidents are under external pressure from anti-bitcoin forces or they are too blind to the the future of Bitcoin.
It must be admitted that Nayib Bukele's work continues to move and does not stop trying before all the laws are passed.
If we trace it, Nayib Bukele also experienced pressure in facing this process because it was impossible for the process that Nayib Bukele went through to legalize the Bitcoin tender to be as easy as imagined. But Bukele's principles regarding the future of their investments have proven to be able to generate profits now.

The two Presidents of the two countries may be trying hard to convince various related parties to smooth out the steps being taken.
So I am not wrong in saying that El Salvador is better regarding Bitcoin adoption than Panama and Costa Rica.
630  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Eredivisie 23/24 - discussion thread on: December 20, 2023, 05:15:09 AM
PSV are still unblemished going into the Christmas break, Ajax have also improved a little and have the best result in their last 5 games behind PSV, but are still 8 points behind AZ, Ajax need to continue their current form into next year's spring, then they could still be in contention for third or fourth place.
Having not been defeated since the start of the season until the last match, a convincing win over AZ Alkmaar means that PSV Eindhoven will beat Feyenoord like last season with a point difference of up to 10 points.
Ajax has started to improve, but is still not as stable as it was under Erik ten Hag's coaching.
To fight for third and fourth place, Ajax needs to be consistent in maintaining their best form of play which has begun to be shown.
631  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: El Salvador has become the first country to make #Bitcoin legal tender! 🇸🇻 on: December 19, 2023, 08:56:33 PM
How does El Salvador compare to Panama or Costa Rica when it comes to local market adoption? Panama seems really bitcoin-friendly.
Around January, the news about the Panama story was still wrapped up in regulations.

According to an official statement, the president’s office considers articles 34 and 36 of the bill unenforceable because they violate the state’s separation of powers and establish administrative structures within the government.

El Salvador continues to walk with President Nayib Bukele's strong principles regarding Bitcoin legal tender.
I can't compare in detail how El Salvador's adoption compares with Panama or Costa Rica because I'm not from those three countries. However, according to updated information that I continue to find out, El Salvador is better.
632  Economy / Gambling / Re: tell me the best online casino on: December 18, 2023, 02:26:08 PM
I want to play online casino which has the following criteria,
1. of course not a scam online casino
2. there are slots, roulette and versus (player vs player) games
3. there are deposit bonuses and free spins for new players
4. there is a daily bonus (points or free spins)
5. easy and fast withdrawal process (doesn't have many rules)
Each casino has different advantages. Regarding your question about looking for a casino with these criteria, duelbits is my answer. Duelbits is not a scam casino, the withdrawal process is smooth and fast.
Regarding rules, almost all casinos have rules that must be obeyed which make it easier for the casino and the players.
I recommend doing your own research once we have given a casino a good rating.
633  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Kesenjangan Ekonomi & Dampak Pada Ketidaksetaraan Sosial on: December 18, 2023, 01:44:04 PM
Ini pendapat-ku, bagaimana pendapat kalian.?
Sudah mencukupi semua aspek yang agan sebutkan karena memang itu dampak yang akan terjadi akibat kesenjangan ekonomi karena ketidaksetaraan sosial.
Kontestasi demokrasi sedang berlangsung, terdapat tiga pasangan yang diharapkan oleh seluruh rakyat supaya bisa menanggulangi permasalahan ini.

Memilih yang bisa menjadikan masalah ekonomi sebagai program utama saya raaa perlu dipikirkan karena dari mereka semua kebijakan dimulai agar pemerataan bisa mengubah semua aspek yang telah agan sebutkan seperti akses terhadap pendidikan, kesehatan dan kestabilan sosial.
634  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 17, 2023, 05:07:39 PM
The only fear I have for the Manchester United sides is their goal keeper, Onana. He has been consistently making mistakes that were never there before he was signed. Even in the ongoing match, he already committed a mistake that can lead to a goal.  Apart from this, Manchester United is playing so well. Nevertheless, draw is not a bad result for Manchester United.
Continue to entrust Onana as goalkeeper like there are no other options that Manchester United has. Erik ten Hag still has Bayindir which he bought this season.
Earlier, in the first 10 minutes of the first half, Onana almost made another mistake when anticipating a free kick from the left corner of the Manchester United defense.

Our game wasn't very good, but being able to make Liverpool's attack line difficult for 30 minutes was good enough to keep trying to attack.
Just imagine, for 30 minutes Liverpool was able to take 11 shots with ball possession of 66%.
If this match is a draw it will be very profitable for Arsenal.
635  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin as digital currency on: December 17, 2023, 04:23:23 PM
No government should prohibit the ownership of this technology

. I mean this is freedom money just like national value is freedom and bitcoin
Is the word dream money.
Bitcoin technology does not aim to hinder but make transactions easier. The government can do anything but it cannot stop this technology. The issue game was created because of the ease that people find in making transactions using Bitcoin without involving a third party. The government makes a profit by selling cards and other unnecessary things in Bitcoin.
The freedom that people get from Bitcoin is to carry out transactions throughout the world without complicated processes. That's the simplest.
636  Economy / Gambling / Re: Does anyone find the spate of online casinos a bit uninspired? on: December 17, 2023, 03:56:22 PM
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Unfortunately those promotions are the insentives that casinos use to draw out people to register and afterwards bankroll with them but at the end they get scammed. Casinos that have scammed users have those packages which makes people to turn off their eyes from doing proper research or staying with old and reputable casinos.
You at least understand what I mean.
Bonuses are just sweeteners to entice people to play by signing up. Big players who have been gambling for a long time don't really care about bonuses, they only care about the convenience of the casino and have no problem with the withdrawal process and whatever their winnings are paid by the casino.
That's why many players choose proven casinos and don't play at new casinos created in a hurry.
637  Economy / Speculation / Re: Share your opinion on the market. on: December 17, 2023, 03:37:41 PM
However, this week we have a minor correction, we did go down to $40k, but bounce back very quickly around $41k-$42k. Maybe we will see a sideways till the end of the year or just go back to what we want the price to see at the end, $45k.

But if we look at the market, it's obvious that we are in a bullish sentiments and investors do love to see that kind of mentally.
Thinking too much about price can make decisions change and can make the desire to buy not come true. Investors who care and believe Bitcoin will provide huge returns someday only think about how much they will hold when the price peak occurs and DCA is the method they use.

Today's 24h chart is red because it experienced a decline of 1.8%. For large investors who have positive confidence in the increase in Bitcoin prices, they will still take advantage of this to buy, instead of choosing to retreat not to buy and feel satisfied with their existing holdings in my opinion.
638  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 16, 2023, 06:49:45 PM
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Of course, I have said the results were both unexpected and surprising. Manchester City took 19 kicks in this match and 9 of them were on target, but this was not a lucky day for Pep Guardiola's troops because in the end the score 2-2 was the end of the match. This was obviously a very disappointing result and did not go according to plan at all, also it was a match that many gamblers lost.
The statistical percentage of Manchester City with a draw is what is surprising and beyond the expectations of many people who bet on Manchester City winning, even I myself bet on Manchester City winning.
19 total shots, 9 shots on target, 3.94 xGOT, 812 passes up to 74% ball possession obtained by Manchester City during 90+6 minutes. Of course, this result was very disappointing and gave rise to a lot of disappointment, especially for those who bet and secondly for Manchester City fans and Pep Guardiola.

Pep Guardiola and Manchester City are currently under pressure, they have failed to win many matches which has resulted in them creating a poor points gap with other competitors. Pep Guardiola must work better for the next match, so they don't have to get caught up in what is happening now.
In this context, it is clear that Pep Guardiola is not in a happy position but is in a pressured position considering that competition will be increasingly fierce as defending champion.
By the way, I am secretly happy with this result and hope that Manchester United can get full points against Liverpool so that the competition for the PL title will be even more exciting.
639  Economy / Speculation / Re: Share your opinion on the market. on: December 16, 2023, 06:32:43 PM
It seems to me that before the halving the bitcoin price may fall again. Now the market situation is a bit like 2017, when everyone was also waiting for bitcoin etf, after which the dump happened. Maybe that time the price is also rising because of etf expectations.
Speculation about market conditions that will experience a decline is predicted to occur again. Possibility after possibility in the price of Bitcoin can still occur. However, what you need to think about is how much correction will occur while waiting for the ETF to be approved.
If the current price of Bitcoin is still at the price level of $42,387 and is able to stay at $40k until the end of December, then in January 2024 we will find new speculators regarding the potential price of Bitcoin.
640  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 16, 2023, 06:10:44 PM
Manchester City have drawn the match against Crystal Palace who are currently in a very poor position in the Premier League. Where every team plays well enough to win the match at their own ground and they win the match at their home ground. But Manchester City shared the points with a 2-2 draw at Crystal Palace today. But in today's match everyone guessed that Manchester City has a chance to win by a huge margin but unfortunately they didn't win the match. Crystal Palace played superbly at Manchester City ground today which saw them beat a strong team like Manchester City their attack was outstanding today. Although Manchester City went to the first half of the game and had a chance to win, but after paying a goal in the 76th minute, the game was filled with more attacks.
When Crystal Palace equalized with another goal in the 90+5 minutes, the match became a draw and the points were shared between the two teams. Today's match was truly remarkable.
It feels like Manchester City's 2-2 result at the Etihad Stadium slightly missed many predictions. Before the match started, many bet that Manchester City would win the match with a score of more than 2 because of the Etihad Stadium and their obsession with catching up on the points difference with Arsenal and Liverpool.
Manchester City's position is increasingly under pressure because the point difference with Liverpool has become 3 and this difference is likely to increase if Liverpool win. Likewise the difference with Arsenal.

I don't want to comment much on Manchester City's draw because Manchester City did not deserve this result, where the draw in the final minutes of the match was the fault of one of the players who was considered the best defender recruited by Pep Guardiola and whose name was almost the same as the coach.
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