Sen. John McCain said Thursday that he is withholding judgment on the Malaysia Airlines crash, but vowed that there would be “hell to pay” if the plane was shot down by the Russian military or separatists.
“To leap to conclusions could be very embarrassing and really inappropriate until we have more information,” the Arizona Republican told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell shortly after reports that a commercial flight carrying 295 people was shot down in the eastern part of Ukraine.
After again noting that he has not yet arrived at any conclusions, the senator said: “But if it is the result of either separatist or Russian actions mistakenly believing this was a Ukrainian war plane, I think there’s going to be hell to pay and there should be.”
“It has the earmarks of a tragic mistake made by someone who had the capability to just shoot down an aircraft, and we know at least from the last couple of weeks that that could be Russian or separatist Russian capability,” he said.
McCain on Thursday said the increased sanctions were “helpful” but that the administration’s response has failed Ukraine.
“The sanctions so far in exchange for Crimea have been miniscule,” he said, referring to the sanctions the administration announced after the Russian annexation of the Crimean peninsula. “These latest enacted by the Obama administration, I think, are helpful. But if you ask the Ukrainian government that’s struggling, they would say they need weapons with which to defend themselves.”
McCain said that he anticipated he will have more information within the next several hours.
McCain's statement is grossly misrepresented.. and the usual suspects don't notice it at all and instead pile on... big surprise. McCain can't open his mouth without insisting that arming someone or warring with someone, or militarily intervening somewhere isn't the answer to every problem in the world, and he's been doing that forever. He's an angry, angry little man, vascillating between sputtering and spewing (and accusing the president of being an imbecile who has "embarrassed the country")... and trying to hold it together just long enough to make these "reasonable" statements....But he STILL wants the US to arm Ukraine, did you notice? What does that even mean, arm Ukraine? With what? A big part of McCain's problem is he was embarrassed in the presidential election and can't get over it. He has only himself and his choice for VP to blame for that. MY response did not go to McCain's exact statement to the media; it was a general observation about John McCain. I do not give a rip that cons here, most of whom are stark raving mad themselves, don't like it. I do not provide links (especially to someone else's statement!) at your demand. |
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Tragic.....Has there been any new news about the missing Malaysian plane from a few months back?
Not a single piece of debris has ever been found, nor was the real locater beacon ever heard. I smell a rat. |
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This is just a thought I a will admit that their is no evidence of this idea. But their are a lot of people that want a world war. Perhaps this was done by some idiots that want the war to expand and bring about the rapture faster.
And right on cue, stupid-ass John McCain jumps into the fray - talking about the US sending arms in. We don't even know for sure that this airliner was shot down as opposed to crashing because of other problems. STFU, McCain. Why can't the knee-jerk conservatives ever learn to get the facts FIRST? McCain needs to be tucked away in a home somewhere before he hurts himself. I've always thought he was unhinged but he's getting worse. You know, I don't care for McCain, but insofar as his non physical stature, he makes Obama look like a garden gnome.McCain reminds me of the lead character in the Arthur Miller play Death of a Salesman. |
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Titus Oates, late in the reign of Charles II, is famed for having ginned up a wild conspiracy of Catholics to assassinate the King and install a regime of "popery" on the nation. His accusations were beyond absurd, Charles himself questioned him and laughed at him as an idiot, but the fears and hysteria of the arch-protestants made them willing to believe anything, no matter how idiotic, due to their fears of Catholicism.
Sound familiar? Look at how the 'baggers today view Washington, with that same ultimate paranoia that makes them willing to believe anything they are fed by the modern day Titus Oates--whether they be the Limbaughs, the Becks, the Fox News, no matter how hysterical or outlandish the accusations get, the fanatics--whether 'baggers or archprotestants, are willing to believe them.
I think the psychology between the 'baggers and the archreligious is the same, the only difference really is the object of their hatred and fear.
That does certainly seem to be the case regarding the mainstream media, some of these folks and their accusations against the tea party movement. Thanks, Umair. I didn't think you had it in you to be rational. Well done. |
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I am deeply committed and involved with three VERY active local local Tea Party groups in Alabama, Florida, and Georgia. NEVER, even once has religion been mentioned except 'under God' in the Pledge.Since we limit our vetting to our single Fiscal Sanity issues, there is no question that we will elect candidates with their 'social positions such as religion, all over the spectrum. Still, it is understandably why you Anti-American, Liberal Moonbats keep our Tea Party Movement as front page news. Fiscal Sanity VERY apparently scares all Parasites and Piranhas.
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Israel has responded to aggression with aggression for almost eight decades. Prior to that unofficial policy of reciprocal violence, Jewish extremists deliberately terrorized and murdered many within the British Empire which precipitated the foundation for the current Israel state. Illegitimate as it is, even for a highly organized and educated sovereignty, Israelis are appallingly incapable of accomplishing peaceful resolutions.
Unfortunately, the United States validates Israel's existence simply as an insurance policy against Islamic states attempting to transition to nuclear power, Hezbollah, and Russian interests in the vicinity.
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This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy. But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?
The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election. It's also possible that it was an accident. Russian insurgents in Ukraine have been firing anti-aircraft missiles at Ukrainian fighter jets, so who knows. But an airliner looks nothing like a fighter jet or even a bomber.Exactly. I suspect that Russia may use the same excuse. We shall see. After all, Obama is no threat. Shot at 33,000 feet in the sky? I don't think this was any accident. The odds would be astronomical. |
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Sen. John McCain said Thursday that he is withholding judgment on the Malaysia Airlines crash, but vowed that there would be “hell to pay” if the plane was shot down by the Russian military or separatists.
“To leap to conclusions could be very embarrassing and really inappropriate until we have more information,” the Arizona Republican told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell shortly after reports that a commercial flight carrying 295 people was shot down in the eastern part of Ukraine.
After again noting that he has not yet arrived at any conclusions, the senator said: “But if it is the result of either separatist or Russian actions mistakenly believing this was a Ukrainian war plane, I think there’s going to be hell to pay and there should be.”
“It has the earmarks of a tragic mistake made by someone who had the capability to just shoot down an aircraft, and we know at least from the last couple of weeks that that could be Russian or separatist Russian capability,” he said.
McCain on Thursday said the increased sanctions were “helpful” but that the administration’s response has failed Ukraine.
“The sanctions so far in exchange for Crimea have been miniscule,” he said, referring to the sanctions the administration announced after the Russian annexation of the Crimean peninsula. “These latest enacted by the Obama administration, I think, are helpful. But if you ask the Ukrainian government that’s struggling, they would say they need weapons with which to defend themselves.”
McCain said that he anticipated he will have more information within the next several hours.
McCain's statement is grossly misrepresented.. and the usual suspects don't notice it at all and instead pile on... big surprise. |
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Hamas is more than just an armed brigade it consists of political and civil service wings as well and targeted people specifically for their political affiliation is a war crime as well. Anything associated with Hamas isn't militarily fair game. There is no military benefits to bombing empty homes of civilian infrastructure.
It is not the same because Israelis are not welcoming people to use their homes as launch sites or bases of operation.One you do that, your home is not a home it is military complex and should be dealt with as a military target.Israel, the United States, Canada, the European Union, Jordan, Egypt and Japan to name a few all classify Hamas as a terrorist organization. It should be treated as a terrorist organization. Civilians are civilians, just because Israel has compulsory military duty for many of its citizens doesn't open those citizens up to being targeted with violence when they aren't actively serving. That isn't a good excuse for Hamas and it isn't a good excuse for Israel. And yet it is still a recognized war crime to bomb a Hamas soup kitchen . There is a difference between an service member sitting peacefully in his home with his wife and kids, watching the sunday game and having cookouts in the backyard VS someone who has his family sit around kitchen table and help load and plan the next rocket firing. One is civilian and the other is a military target. Let me know when you have evidence that everyone in Gaza is secretly an armed revolutionary that engages in terrorist activities. Let me know when you have evidence that every home in Gaza is loaded with weapons and bombs. Most aren't. I understand that. Most Gazans want peace. But it becomes harder to achieve peace when Hamas is continually committing war crimes by launching attacks from civilian population areas and then hiding behind civilians for cover. |
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This is just a thought I a will admit that their is no evidence of this idea. But their are a lot of people that want a world war. Perhaps this was done by some idiots that want the war to expand and bring about the rapture faster.
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This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy. But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?
The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election. It's also possible that it was an accident. Russian insurgents in Ukraine have been firing anti-aircraft missiles at Ukrainian fighter jets, so who knows. But an airliner looks nothing like a fighter jet or even a bomber.Exactly. I suspect that Russia may use the same excuse. We shall see. After all, Obama is no threat. The Russians could actually try to use illegal action by people to whom they are allied as an excuse to attack the nation whom they are fighting against. |
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This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy. But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?
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It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals.
I see the tea party movement as very similar to the jihadist movement in the Muslim religion. Only their way is acceptable. This is the new religion that is sweeping the less intelligent of our people. The Old white men want to take this country back. The real problem is that yes everything looked better when you were young, but as you get older you pine for the good old days when you could walk or run around and you didn't get ackes and pains. Those days won't come back so for god sake quit trying. The Tea Party wants smaller government, less taxes, and a return to the Constitution. It's not about 'religion', and your insinuating author doesn't offer one iota of concrete evidence to back up his false assertions. |
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It was because the Founding Fathers did not want an official state religion like England had. Find us one Founding Father quote that says it was to 'prevent religious wars'. Liberals are so full of crap!
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And yet it is still a recognized war crime to bomb a Hamas soup kitchen. Does not apply if the soup kitchen is filled with bombs and not food (or food with bombs). Still makes it a military target. |
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Hamas is more than just an armed brigade it consists of political and civil service wings as well and targeted people specifically for their political affiliation is a war crime as well. Anything associated with Hamas isn't militarily fair game. There is no military benefits to bombing empty homes of civilian infrastructure.
It is not the same because Israelis are not welcoming people to use their homes as launch sites or bases of operation.One you do that, your home is not a home it is military complex and should be dealt with as a military target.Israel, the United States, Canada, the European Union, Jordan, Egypt and Japan to name a few all classify Hamas as a terrorist organization. It should be treated as a terrorist organization. Civilians are civilians, just because Israel has compulsory military duty for many of its citizens doesn't open those citizens up to being targeted with violence when they aren't actively serving. That isn't a good excuse for Hamas and it isn't a good excuse for Israel. And yet it is still a recognized war crime to bomb a Hamas soup kitchen . There is a difference between an service member sitting peacefully in his home with his wife and kids, watching the sunday game and having cookouts in the backyard VS someone who has his family sit around kitchen table and help load and plan the next rocket firing. One is civilian and the other is a military target. |
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Hamas is more than just an armed brigade it consists of political and civil service wings as well and targeted people specifically for their political affiliation is a war crime as well. Anything associated with Hamas isn't militarily fair game. There is no military benefits to bombing empty homes of civilian infrastructure.
It is not the same because Israelis are not welcoming people to use their homes as launch sites or bases of operation.One you do that, your home is not a home it is military complex and should be dealt with as a military target.Israel, the United States, Canada, the European Union, Jordan, Egypt and Japan to name a few all classify Hamas as a terrorist organization. It should be treated as a terrorist organization. |
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Normal wartime strategy and policy does not work and does not apply when your opponent does not care to follow them either.
Hamas maybe the ones holding the guns, but Gaza sat idly by and didn't do a thing to stop it. They were complicit in the attacks.
Finally, if someone invites Hamas into their home and argues that they have women and children, so they cannot or should not be bombed, they have no right to cry when they are.
Israel absolutely strikes back at rocket launch sites and has done so consistently outside of this operation. They took drones and shot down the rockets, yes. They continued to play defense and did not take an offensive approach until recently (before the current conflict). |
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It will be interesting to see from which side the missile came from. This is just my opinion. Only my opinion. I think pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine did it. But where would they get Buk surface-to-air missile systems?
CNN said that a Ukrainian official stated that the plane came apart at altitude, which gives more evidence to the theory that the plane was shot down. According to CNN: Adviser to Ukraine's Internal Affairs Minister: Plane was shot down by Russian Anti-Aircraft Missiles http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 |
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Normal wartime strategy and policy does not work and does not apply when your opponent does not care to follow them either.
Hamas maybe the ones holding the guns, but Gaza sat idly by and didn't do a thing to stop it. They were complicit in the attacks.
Finally, if someone invites Hamas into their home and argues that they have women and children, so they cannot or should not be bombed, they have no right to cry when they are.
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