The PunisherCoin

I couldn't agree more.
But I think this has to do with the fact that we discuss *every single detail* here in this thread.
We don't need to, we don't have to.

Consensus on that level is harmful, not beneficial *at all*.

I have no idea where this idea that consensus is needed even for the layout of an application is needed for.
That kind of consensus is reached by the market. You take some opinions, or even use your own judgement, implement and then see what the market/user does.

Sometimes right is right. If I *know* I need to post something on my blog (because I actually have the experience) I don't go ask here in the thread if it's OK. Chances are almost 100% that some people would disagree. Chances are also good that some of those people have never written a post in their life, so they are not even qualified to comment with any degree of accuracy. If I then would start to doubt myself, I'd get nothing done.

This doesn't mean that experts need to take over, but it does mean that experts should do what they do best: make the calls about the topics where they are best to do so.

I think no one is actually saying we should go mainstream without these.
I have also not seen anyone mentioning that Nxt be confined to "nerds"

However: do you seriously expect mainstream functionality in four months, when most of the developers have only seen the full code starting january and now the full code in March?

All your points can be answered in the affirmative. Yes, we are still groping towards a goal. Yes, we don't have everything in place. Yes, we cannot expect the average user to use Nxt at this moment.

Even with all this, we seem to reach opposite conclusions. You that Nxt is doomed and lagging and will fail. I that Nxt is young, in development and full of potential, whatéver the competition does.

With the same information that you had access to, and not being a "geek" or "nerd" or a coder, I never saw Nxt as a "coin", but as a "system". Otherwise I would never even have stepped in. I find coins boring, and not something I would invest in.

I can seriously see your point, and cannot argue against your personal conclusions from your apparent perspective. That doesn't mean that your perspective it the only one. I sincerely dislike being painted like some idiot that múst be wrong because he doesn't share your conclusions, and some other people probably do, too.

It is very possible to have access to the exact same facts and reach completely different conclusions.

Asking for something that hasn't been seen and getting paid for it only works if you have a large trust rating.
No one in their right minds in any business would ever give money up front without either some form of surety or a sample of the goods.

The fact that you have apparently been in business with people who actually take things on complete trust says nothing about how business should be conducted, but only something about the fact that your previous business partners are apparently risk takers who will at some point will get severely burned.

There is a place for risk in business, but some form of collateral is standard practice.

In short: I have no idea why you get snippy at the fact that people would demand to see proof. The trust issue in this case is reversed: this community already has proven to reward and appreciate people uncovering weaknesses.

Edit: yes, I need to catch up with reading the thread.

Can someone send me TestNxt: 11446113085114330181

Thanks!

Hey Fatih,

What they were supposed to do was something like this: http://www.slideshare.net/GrahamRobertson/how-to-write-a-brand-plan

So: not the áctual promo material and brandéd material, but the underlying brand itself.

The slideshow gives a pretty good impressing of what a brand actually is.
A brand represents the "vision" and strategy for Nxt and includes, but is not limited to the visuals.
That's why I made that questionnaire. I still have them and think they can be of use.
I also still think we need a "branding" as it will force us to define at least á vision instead of the "all over the place" approach we have now.


By the way, they called me tonight and at least will give us a business card and their plan for a landing page.
Apparently they feel bad, too, mainly towards me. So when I get these, we might still be able to use it.

Thoughts: Implement this ASAP, and sort out the wallet.dat discussion later.

Do not get sidetracked into that discussion and then wait

It may not be *perfect* but it's WAY better than what we have.

Also, to make it absolutely clear: this account cannot send out "anti-Nxt", in case you are wondering. Accounts with a negative balance cannot send.

Thank you for looking at the GENESIS BLOCK!

Hello,

I REALLY appreciate you even posting here. I don't know if I would have taken the time for that, had I taken such a loss. Over 400,000 Nxt is a big number!

To me that shows real commitment and character, and I want to thank you for that.

There is still much to be done and we all hope and work that this will be done soon. It is a real pity that people like you have to go through this...

chanc3r is confirmed, yes.
He took days off work for this.

Do we already have a speaker spot, or is he there as technical question guy for now? If he has to speak, we need to know on what.

I don't know about others, so can't comment on passes, except to say that if we add others we must have passes.

Good that Ebereon will help. So that means we have a RaspPi. Let's get that confirmed as soon as he is back.

Can you take care of the press accreditation? Or do we need to do something else. Just give me the word if you need anything from me or him.

If he is up to it, great.

Well, two days since this post ánd their promise to deliver and ZILCH.

Tomorrow, I am going to call them and tell them I am cancelling this and to express my disappointment with their attitude.

I will also compile the questionnaires that you all have sent in, so at least that work won't be for nothing.
I still think we need resources like this, so will be thinking on how to get these. If anyone has any ideas on that, the field is once again wide open.

I am ashamed that this has come to nothing and am truly sorry for the fact that this has fallen through.

I'm good, having a quiet evening in, watching a movie, relaxing before the start of the week...

Yeah, Emule, pull up a virtual chair! Let's get to know each other. 

We can also start our own conversation.
It'll be like a pub!

How've you been, Paul?

Actually, I just looked at his account and he is very open about using a short and unsafe pass.
He isn't attacking Nxt at all and acknowledges he wasn't smart to do it.

I don't see it as a major PR problem. The reactions he gets are good, too. Most of his followers are traders themselves who had losses, too.

I'm not saying I think we shouldn't care, but he did this himself and knows it was stupid. If people want to help him, that's cool.

And we should get it sorted, but that will be done.

What?
Half an hour and no one made a "firm startup" joke?

I'm appalled!

(I'm taking the night off of being serious, so it's allowed)

I get your point, but it's not what I meant.
I tend to use him as a skilled thermometer for our (also mine) fears.
It's his strength.
I don't want to imply people are just echoing hím. He echoes ús!

As you say: he is the echo, but the fears are real. I also think that, on balance, they are well-founded.

The things wé (in here, specifically) are afraid of, are enlarged by a complete focus on something other people couldn't care less about.

I disagree that this is totally rational. There is a big amount of frustration and fear mixed in, which skews our view to a decidedly negative side.
That doesn't mean that things are hunky-dory, but it does mean that it's not completely shit.

The fact that someone with no knowledge of these issues, but who looks at what we have, doesn't care.

And yes, he knows about testing, problems etc. because you always need to be completely candid about what you have.

Hope that clear it up.

Dear people,

In the light of all doubts and frustration, I want to give a view from the other side.

Today, I had a follow-up meeting with the co-owner of the following projects, which I have already posted before:

https://trackprotect.com
http://www.soundframework.com/
http://www.rhosmovement.com/

I was introduced to this person a few days ago and he we had some exploratory talks.

In today's talks, we discovered that what Nxt provides with its framework is exactly what he wants from a digital asset system.

Talks are going well, and all involved are satisfied.

This investor does NOT care about the technical side: he has people for that.
He does NOT care to explain to his users how the software works, just THAT it works.
He also does NOT care about the doubt of others: he cares about what hé sees as the potential.

We are four months old. We have an amazing potential: not just as a "coin", bit as a group of talented people who can get things done.

If you want to buy into Emule's playing on your fears, you can. He's very good at that, and a skilled thermometer of where the communities' fears are: that we actually have jack shit, that we will fail, that all your investments will be worthless, that we will be taken down by hoarders, that we will be left standing out in the cold and laughed at.

These are all fears, and people like him are extremely skillful at playing on that. As said: feel free to agree with him. All things he says MAY come to pass. Let's be honest about that. MAY!

I, however, am bolstered once more by a real investor, with a project worth millions of euros and five years of development and a working system, who after only two days and talks with me and some other big Nxt people (developers ánd stakeholder) and who already runs a business, and who thinks what we have is both promising and useful and wants to use it!

I choose to go with that, and also keep in mind that we are young and still very much a developing system.

We have people testing and developing, and that comes with delays and changes of plan when things don't work out the way we thought they would.
NOTHING ever does!

We will be having another talk on Wednesday. I will keep you up to date.

I did some checking on such claims a few days ago for this thread: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,4290.msg40035.html#msg40035

For the "password" account it's the same. You can see they moved the money in and immediately out.
The only other Nxt in there was from the faucet. It was NEVER a serious account!

Most weak password accounts, and you can check, are from december, when this issue wasn't known that well, or were faucet thiefs.

I really would like people to not only state facts, but also interpret them.