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621  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Terminology on: November 29, 2012, 06:47:00 PM
@mjc

Oh no!. Sorry about that, if you can think of anyway of reducing it's potential for inflicting pain then please let me know.

@Max29

Thanks for the positive feedback Max.

@Aahzman

Hi Aahzman, thank you for your contribution. I have added 'IANAL'.


Also added; 'Tragedy of the Commons', 'Proof Of Work' & 'Proof Of Stake'
622  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [BOUNTY] 1BTC for hardware wallet name on: November 29, 2012, 12:32:32 AM

623  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Happy halving day on: November 28, 2012, 08:54:08 PM
So who had their money on -
Hash rate and transactions will sky rocket but price remain the same?
624  Other / Off-topic / Re: Introduced bitcoin to a developer. on: November 28, 2012, 07:55:16 PM
People feel safe inside their little walled gardens.

When you tell them your gona pull the wall down it terrifies them.
625  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Terminology on: November 28, 2012, 07:45:28 PM
@ReubenMetcalfe

I'm glad you found it useful and thank you for taking the time to post. If you have any ideas about how this list maybe improved then please let me know  Smiley


@uk1

Thanks again uk1, added 'Mining Rig'.


Also added 'Finney Attack'.

Edit; + 'Client', 'Thin Client', 'Satoshi Client', 'Node' & 'Full Node'
626  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Happy halving day on: November 28, 2012, 03:07:58 PM
Happy having day, may Satoshi be with you  Grin
627  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Halving Day Traditions on: November 28, 2012, 01:44:06 PM
This should be a national holiday !

An international holiday.
628  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Happy halving day on: November 28, 2012, 01:27:17 PM
Looks like we are ahead of schedule, maybe GPU miners are having one last bash?

Edit: 12 remaining.
629  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Halving Day Traditions on: November 28, 2012, 10:19:12 AM
I think a good tradition would be to cut something in half. Even if it's just a bad habit.

Happy halving day everyone!  Grin
630  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Terminology on: November 26, 2012, 09:11:18 PM

@buttersstotch &  bello5678

Thank you both for taking the time to post. I do like positive feedback   Smiley

@uk1

Added; 'Shitlist'

@Portnoy

Hey, it has been stickied   Grin

Added; 'Crack', 'Brute force' & 'Sticky'


Also added; 'Margin', 'IRC', 'Paper Wallet' & 'QR Code'
631  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Network Redundancy on: November 26, 2012, 07:37:53 PM
I was thinking about the ways of reducing the cost of running a full node. The only solutions I could think of also reduced the hashing power.

For example, if we could split the network into two clusters and each of those clusters had 50% of the hashing power, would they have enough to remain safe?

At what point should the clusters be split or merged?

632  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Network Redundancy on: November 26, 2012, 04:47:16 PM
@niko. So how much money does a potential attacker have available to them? How many times stronger is the network than it needs to be?
633  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Salient block countdown timer on: November 26, 2012, 04:19:54 PM
Thanks!

Could you use the images in the 'Lets count to 21 million with images' thread as the count down?
634  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Network Redundancy on: November 25, 2012, 10:49:40 PM
I think you ask an important question Yogi, but I agree with Niko's approach.  Looking at it in dollar terms makes more sense and will remain correct in the future.

Thanks for the calculations, Niko, I was looking for something similar.
10-50 million is a lot of money for small-timers, but if paypal or visa or... would feel really threatened by bitcoin, it seems to me that they could quite easily spend this kind of money.
Not sure just how devastating a 51% attack would be to the bitcoin project though.  Would it be lights out, or just a (big) bump in the road?

Also, how easy would it be to perform a 51% attack anonymously?  Would it be possible to pinpoint the origin of the attack, and follow the money to the culprit?  I have absolutely no idea about these things Smiley.  


It doesn't mater if you want to measure it in dollars or terraFLOPS. To get the relative strength you still need to compare it to something. In this case we would have to ask, what is the maximum amount of money a single entity is prepared to spend in order to attack the network. This might be a harder value to determine.
635  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Network Redundancy on: November 25, 2012, 09:48:07 PM
As I explained above, your concept of redundancy is based on an arbitrarily chosen value of "external power". Therefore, it is not a a particularly useful measure of anything.

The point I am trying to make here is that we can't say anything about the relative computational strength of the bitcoin network unless we have something to compare it to.

If you know a better value to key off, then please tell me.
636  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Terminology on: November 25, 2012, 09:13:56 PM
@MAC

Thank you very much for taking the time to post, your words are encouraging, as I have been wondering if anybody actually found this thread to be useful.

Although all the entries on the list are common on the forum, some of the definitions are indeed humorous as humour is something that is also common on this forum.

If you have any ideas about how this list may be improved, then please let me know.


@Portnoy

Thank you for your continued effort  Smiley

Added - 'Taint', 'Jelly', 'Randian', 'TANSTAAFL', 'Faucet', 'Bitcoind' & 'Krugman Fallacy'

Although I have edited down your definition of 'Krugman Fallacy'. What can I say, editors gonna edit  Cheesy


Also added - 'Ask', 'Bid', 'Limited Order', 'Market Order', 'Wall', 'Martingale', 'Vanity Address', 'Vanity Generator' & 'Brain Wallet'
637  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Network Redundancy on: November 25, 2012, 04:48:33 PM
The peer-to-peer network is more vulnerable to low level network attack, than the ever-discussed 51% hashing attack.

You can help, by running a full node that accepts incoming connections.

I am not suggesting a 51% attack is the greatest threat to bitcoin, quite the opposite in fact. A redundancy of 29 is overly redundant a wasteful. I would sleep well at night if it only had a redundancy of 8.

What do you think a good level of redundancy would be?

What redundancy give us is a means of judging relative computational capacity. You could use redundancy to judge the relative growth or contraction of computation strength over time without having to cancel out the effect of Moors Law.

How close are we to a low level network attack, and how are you calculating that?


@hazek. Why have you moved this post to mining? It's about judging bitcoins relative computational strength not mining.
638  Bitcoin / Mining / Network Redundancy on: November 25, 2012, 04:40:21 AM
Is the bitcoin network dangerously under powered and on the verge of being subjected to a 51% attack?

Or is it overly redundant and could afford to have the hash rate drop to a fraction of it current value and still be secure?

My instincts tell me we are safe, but where are the numbers?

Hash rate alone doesn't help us because we do not know the potential hash rate of an attacker to compare it to. The problem is determining the greatest amount of processing power that is in the hands of one single external entity.

Currently, although I may be wrong, the most powerful computational machine external to bitcoin and controlled by a single entity is the Livermore’s Sequoia supercomputer at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory which puts out 10.5 petaFLOPS.

According to BitcoinWatch, the equivalent rate of petaFLOPS for the bitcoin network is 307.94. Now I know your going to moan about comparing flops and hashes but we have no choice here.
 
If we stipulate that the computational power wielded by the largest know potential attacker is always equal to a redundancy of 1, then we can say the bitcoin network currently has redundancy of just over 29.

redundancy = bitcoin capacity / max know external capacity
29.32 = 307.94 / 10.5

Or to put it another way, an attacker would require more than 29 times the processing power than that know to be controlled by a single external entity in order to have more than 50% of the network processing power.

Although this gauge is not perfect, as it ignores unknown entity's and pools, it does at lest provide a benchmark.

Thoughts?
639  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Request on: November 25, 2012, 02:33:09 AM

https://blockchain.info/wallet/

Apparently their UK withdrawals are down at the moment but should be up again soon, might be worth contacting them.
640  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Date for 25 BTC per Block on: November 24, 2012, 12:27:26 PM
Has anyone setup an officiial block party irc channel yet?
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