I think it's more than likely to be developed by "parties" who have a large budget to spend on cryptographic equipment, like governments, and who don't necessarily factor the costs in the same way.
At that point you have the world mining with GPUs and governments/secret agencies being able to "outrun" the general public.
Repeated forks every couple of months would kill asic development, even a government with an unlimited budget for 'defence' would not be able to keep up?! (after all, they can't even finish their own military projects that always go over budget, take years and don't work ) |
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I have personally designed an X11 ASIC - well the RTL only, which can be used for either FPGA or ASIC implementation. It includes a mechanism to account for variations in performance between each hash type. Unfortunately the economics are just not there yet to get this turned into a layout.
This is way beyond anything we did, I would love to see how far you have got, do you have the program or the simulator results, what sort of speeds were predicted, could you tell ? |
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wow...  that one lengthty answer for a simple question, thanks. anyway i ask because i remember there some x11 asic miner news somewhere, but maybe its not so easy to create one and the cost of production prevent any sane developer  thanks Short noob answer:- 'No'  |
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i now mining dash with gpu, and i want to know if old x11 miner can be used to mine dash ?
edit : is x11 asic miner exist ?
Of course...I'm also mining. I think x11 asic miner is still no present. But maybe I'm wrong. A fair point to bring up occasionally but.. the question is rather, is it economically viable to design and build an asic machine for X11? I designed some very tiny micro controllers and FPGA's in University for projects and we built a fast chip that could multiple two 4 bit numbers together. You might think that its easy and can be done in 5 minutes, but it took days of involved boolean algebra, testing, errors, checking the faulty logic for latency overlap problems etc. Basically you can make any (speedy) function only from Nand gates and flip flops but you will need very many of them and they are time consuming to setup. So how long do you think it would take to design a logic circuit to do 11 hashing algorithms from scratch ?! The Sha256 maths on paper takes 16 minutes, and this is way more complicated. https://youtu.be/y3dqhixzGVoThe months of development is not the killer issue though, This is going to require a lot of logic in series and some of the hash functions will be quicker than others so you will have most of the circuit not doing anything for most of the time hence it will be costly to have relatively unused circuitry(more than common GPU's most likely) You could optimize it of course in order to use some of the redundant circuit but this will bring in a new round of testing and errors (using the same part of an algorithm twice is risky as they may over lap-must be thoroughly tested) So months down the line and 50k-100k later (investors getting nervous) drawing closer to an official release, you find that AMD have just released a new graphics card that is twice as quick as the last and Wolf0 has optimized the .bin again (TIA), thus quadrupling the hash rate so your promised pay back time has now gone up by 4, not such a hot seller on ebay any more. And even if you get past all that, it has already been said that if there was an X11 asic machine developed, a fork could be taken immediately and now we have x12 instead and all that hard expensive work at the R&D labs for months was a complete waste of time (for this X11 coin anyway). Would any company take such a risk, with that in mind ? (feathercoin done this already) So do you take the first option, or do you go out and simply buy a few cheap Nvidia 750 ti's and wait for the next upgrades? https://dashtalk.org/threads/x11-mining-optimisation-project.2584/page-6 |
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Bitcoin tx flood stress tests, parts 1 and 2..   |
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''what do you mean  '' I think people don't understand your question, can you rephrase it using different words please. |
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Page 21 (many months later) "Hello.....is there anyone here?"
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Page 22 (a few days later) 'My wallet wont sync, is this coin dead or what?' |
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Ok, I'll leave you with Adam Back talking about block size and scalability, http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37vg8y/is_the_blockstream_company_the_reason_why_4_core/crqdnooand here https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg07937.html'' Now there are three choices of validation level, rather than the
normal 2-levels of SPV or full-node, with extension blocks we get a
choice: A) a user could run a full node for both 1MB and 10MB blocks,
and get full security for both 1MB and 10MB block transactions (but at
higher bandwidth cost), or B) a user could run a full node on the 1MB
block, but operate as an SPV node for the 10MB block, or C) run in SPV
mode for both 1MB and 10MB blocks.
Similarly for mining - miners could validate 1MB and 10MB transactions
(solo mine or GBT-style), or they could self-validate 1MB transactions
and pool mine 10MB transactions (have a pool validate those).
1MB full node users who do not upgrade to software that understands
extension blocks, could run in SPV mode with respect to 10MB blocks.
Here lies the risk - this imposes a security downgrade on the 1MB
non-upgraded users, and also on users who upgrade but dont have the
bandwidth to validate 10MB blocks.'' |
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That's certainly out there. I wonder if there'll be someone from another research unit that will put up a counteracting argument "the problem with ring lasers is......" (just like "the problem with ring signatures is....")
Lol, yer I get the analogy. Its something like a few milliseconds back in time along the laser beam. His solutions to Einsteins relativity equations are contested by some theoretical physicists, but they are solutions none the less and predict 'closed timelike curves' using the frame dragging(twisting space into vortice's) technique of high power lasers. There is a great book by the man himself and its surprisingly easy to read, he went on his single minded quest after his own father died at the age of 33 and he missed him so much he wanted to travel back in time to see him again, there is a practical working model but whether it travels back in time is the question. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Time-Traveler-Scientists-Personal-Mission/dp/156858363X |
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We need video.
Probably not the video your looking for but it could ease your mind for now? I enjoyed it... https://vimeo.com/18216532Incredibly interesting story! Talk about one man's determination and never-give-up mantra! Thanks for posting. I have a good one for you, this guy (Dr Ronald Mallet) worked in secrecy for decades (is a Doctor of Theoretical physics) and has spent his life building a time machine using a high power ring laser that frame shifts space and then trys to send data backwards through time using the spin direction of neutrons to repesent zero and ones. (He has found particular mathematical solutions to Einstein's Relativity equations to prove the frame shifting can work) https://youtu.be/tgUbWkiWNCo''To use binary code through time using circular patterns of light to twist space and time (Space-time). Using light to manipulate time. The energy of the light beams will produce a gravitational field strong enough to drag a spinning neutron through time. '' |
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lol - good to know - I'll need it.....
Right now it tooks like we'll be driving from Indiana to GU.
but
Might have mom sell the car in Florida and just fly down from Miami - have some extra money
Pop's got 2 motorcycles/dirt bikes - just not much fun in the rain - lol
Interesting looking area of the world I've always wanted to see (closest I've been is Venezuela) There is a great dry canal race going on between Nicaragua, Guatamala and Costa Rica, http://www.siteselection.com/issues/2013/mar/central-america.cfmMy Dash is on Nicaragua finishing first |
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I'll probably post so many pix you'll soon ignore me - lol
but in a different thread as not to get banned by the mods for "being off topic"
(what a joke the was)
I will be in Dashtalk's off topic section with a beer already waiting for you on arrival  |
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Off topic, chart of the day,  |
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Absolutely :-)
That would be so cool :-D
Slowly figuring out all the details - woot!!!
Love that idea, can you post a couple of pictures when you get it sorted  |
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In memory of Ross Ulbricht. The Rise and Fall of Silk Road (the untold story) Part 1: http://www.wired.com/2015/04/silk-road-1/Part 2: http://www.wired.com/2015/05/silk-road-2/'' His lucky break came from a thread on Reddit: A user posted a warning that Silk Road’s IP address was “leaking”—visible to other computers. Dread Pirate Roberts (or DPR, as he was often called) had been alerted to the problem by a user but ignored the warning. Silk Road’s success was making DPR arrogant. He had let down his guard, confidently telling colleagues that the site would never be found.'' ... ''This was what the team had been waiting for: a misconfiguration somewhere on the site that revealed the real IP address of Silk Road, which Tarbell proceeded to trace all the way to the state-of-the-art facility in Iceland.'' |
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I don't know what the thinking is behind this. They obviously know he'll be made a martyr. Either it's been planned this way (in which case the subsequent agenda is unclear) or they're just plain thick.
I've no idea which it is.
Do you think people who have the power to force down the Bolivian version of Air Force One because they think Snowden is hiding under the seats give a shit what anyone thinks or are even mentally sane ? |
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My jaw is on the floor.
Looks like Ross Ulbricht is the new Nelson Mandela. All we need now is a new Bob Marley to start the 30 year campaign to get him out.
I don't remember Ross Ulbricht illegally drone bombing entire countries on a daily basis,stealing the worlds fiat savings via Libor/HFT(AKA the Fed/Wall street), couping over 60 countries(most democratically elected), irradiating Iraq with millions of years of fallout from over 1 million DU shells causing thousands of deformed births, forced vaccines that don't work and cause autism, forced Monsanto seeds onto farmers or pumping the fossil water table with a secret fracking fluid that melts rock (hydrofluoric acid) and causes multiple health problems for people nearby. Its odd that an encyption company would jump out of the frying pan into the fire, http://cointelegraph.com/news/114415/eris-industries-leaves-uk-after-orwellian-bill-reintroduced |
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