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621  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔ DigiSync v6.14.2 - DigiSpeed - Segwit -DiguSign on: June 25, 2017, 10:40:57 PM
omg wtf happening with the price?!  Undecided
my 3btc investment turned in to 1.8 Sad so sad!
622  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem on: June 25, 2017, 08:04:50 PM
What exactly is the real purpose of Bancor?  On their website it says "ANYONE CAN CREATE A TOKEN AND LAUNCH A CROWDSALE"  is that the real purpose?    I think investors now after Bancor ICO are more cautious, and will not invest blindly into new ICOs, I think Bancor will drop to $1 soon, that ICO bubble is over...

What is the problem Bancor is solving?

The Bancor protocol represents the first technological solution for the classic problem in economics known as the “Double Coincidence of Wants Problem,” in the domain of asset exchange.

For barter, the coincidence of wants problem was solved through money, allowing people to transact asynchronously, over time and space. For money, the existing exchange model relies on the labor of market makers providing liquidity, as represented by an order book which creates market depth. This requirement for labor creates a barrier-to-liquidity, meaning that some threshold of trade activity level is required in order to retain high liquidity at the market price. This barrier-to-liquidity particularly affects small cap, custom, lightly traded currencies, such as community currencies or small business loyalty points, as examples.

The Bancor protocol proposes a new solution that removes the barrier-to-liquidity by employing an asynchronous price-discovery model enabled by asset-holding smart tokens. Smart tokens are always purchasable and sellable for the token(s) they hold in reserve. The continuous liquidity of smart tokens removes the barrier-to-liquidity and enables the emergence of the long tail of user-generated currencies. This could lead to a democratization of value creation, similarly to how blogs democratized publishing and YouTube democratized broadcasting.

Beyond enabling the long tail of cryptocurrencies, the Bancor protocol mechanism of intrinsic reserve currencies coupled with the ability of the smart contract to issue and liquidate smart tokens, also holds profound implications in use cases where the goal is not to create new credit (as is the case with most new cryptocurrencies) but rather to enable the exchange of existing currencies without a counterparty or orderbook (see “Token Changers”) or to enable the direct ownership of currency baskets, or index funds, without counterparty risk (see “Decentralized ETFs”).

Source: https://www.bancor.network/faq/general

Thanks for the info, but all I see is big words or theories... in the FAQ it also says that What is Bancor?

"The Bancor protocol enables anyone to create a new type of cryptocurrency called a smart token, which can hold (and trade) other cryptocurrencies"  Really???  Like thanks to Bancor we will get another 500 new coins?! oh wow, thanks alot Bancor! Now just how do we find buyers and demand for each and every one of those new coins?

My questions is, does Bancor still relies on ETH to create those new tokens? or is everything still based on ETH??  If Bancor can create its own tokens and be competitor to ETH then I can see the purpose, but if it relies on Ether then why even bother?

You're welcome. I am not the best person to provide an answer here, but let me give it a shot...

Let's assume I am the owner of a local restaurant - Restaurant X. I want to encourage more people to visit Restaurant X - both locals and people from other parts in the world. I decide to issue discount vouchers in the form of a smart token. In addition, I want the token to be liquid and of value even to those who might choose not to come and eat at my restaurant. So I decide to create and issue my own smart token within the Bancor network. I want to call it Restaurant X (REX). I need BNT tokens to create my smart token. Assuming that I don't own any BNT tokens, I buy some ETH and convert it into BNT tokens via smart contract. Alternatively, I have the option to buy BNT in the open market by paying in any currency or token that the seller will accept.

"All smart tokens issued within the Bancor network will hold the BANCOR token as a reserve (though they may also hold additional reserve tokens. This means that an appreciation in the value of any of the network's smart tokens will appreciate the value of the BANCOR network token, benefiting all other smart tokens in the BANCOR network, since their reserve balance will increase. BANCOR will also be used a a reserve for the token changers that make up its decentralized exchange network. A BANCOR token changer is basically a smart token that holds a 50% CRR reserve in BANCOR, and 50% CRR reserve in an existing, standard ERC 20 token (e.g. REP, GNT, RLC) allowing end-users to easily convert between the two by buying with one reserve token and selling it for the other."

In other words, those who hold REX smart tokens will not have to come to my restaurant to exchange it for a meal in order to realize the value. They will be able to exchange their REX tokens for other tokens anywhere in the world. E.g. let's assume Luigi, a restaurant owner in Italy, creates and issues a smart token for his restaurant within the Bancor network. He calls the token: Restaurant Italy (RIT). Now I will be able to exchange some of my REX tokens for RIT tokens in order to enjoy a meal at Luig's restaurant in Italy. Or in case I can't make it, I just take the RIT tokens and convert it back into the tokens of my liking (within the decentralized exchange network built by Bancor).

Or even better...

Let's assume someone in Italy received some RIT tokens from Luigi as part of a promotion. However, Sandra don't want to eat at Luigi's restaurant. She wants to buy a pair of designer shoes instead. So she orders a pair of shoes from Gustav in Germany and pays in RIT tokens - partially or in full. Gustav is happy, because he has the option to keep or exchange the RIT tokens for something else of value. Now Sandra goes around, telling her friends and everybody else how she bought shoes in Germany by using RIT tokens. Her friends are blown away. The news spread like a wild fire. Luigi's restaurant is getting a lot of attention!

Meanwhile in Germany, Gustav is telling his friends how he managed to sell more shoes because of his decision to accept RIT tokens. And so the Bancor story continues to spread like a wildfire. Those who sold their BNT tokens for next to nothing are now starting to regret it.  Wink

Thus, by creating my smart token or "discount vouchers" within the Bancor network, my token enjoys worldwide liquidity due to the reserve value held and people who make use of the Bancor network. Another benefit that I enjoy is that my restaurant is now getting worldwide exposure. This "discount voucher" keeps on giving!

"My questions is, does Bancor still relies on ETH to create those new tokens? or is everything still based on ETH?? If Bancor can create its own tokens and be competitor to ETH then I can see the purpose, but if it relies on Ether then why even bother?" - As far as I understand, Bancor's products are build on the ETH blockchain. However, while ETH was needed to buy BNT tokens initially, one is now able to buy BNT with any currency a seller will accept. This is because of the ETH reserve value of 0.01 per BNT. However, if I am not mistaken, if one sells BNT by sending instructions via smart contract, it will only return ETH at this stage. The BNT sold will be destroyed. In addition, if one wishes to buy BNT via smart contract, one can only do so by sending ETH via smart contract.

The above is my understanding of how it works (at least the token creation part of it). I am sure I am not 100% spot on, but it might give you a pretty good idea of what the idea is behind Bancor. This could be HUGE!

Wow thanks for making this more clear! I will read more about Bancor but thanks for explaining in so much detail!
Even thought it does sound very interesting and could benefit businesses greatly, and if it is all truly like you described it sounds a bit like Utopia world where people are all friendly and welcoming towards new technologies.  But most people can't even understand Bitcoin yet and how to buy things with it, and now you are asking people to understand each new coin for each new business.... its a difficult proposal for simple minded people...  I do hope that Bancor will succeed, but to me it sounds like it might take years until this becomes successful.  

I will read more about Bancor and will keep an eye on this project, but it does sound like a long term investment.
623  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem on: June 25, 2017, 03:38:37 PM
What exactly is the real purpose of Bancor?  On their website it says "ANYONE CAN CREATE A TOKEN AND LAUNCH A CROWDSALE"  is that the real purpose?    I think investors now after Bancor ICO are more cautious, and will not invest blindly into new ICOs, I think Bancor will drop to $1 soon, that ICO bubble is over...

What is the problem Bancor is solving?

The Bancor protocol represents the first technological solution for the classic problem in economics known as the “Double Coincidence of Wants Problem,” in the domain of asset exchange.

For barter, the coincidence of wants problem was solved through money, allowing people to transact asynchronously, over time and space. For money, the existing exchange model relies on the labor of market makers providing liquidity, as represented by an order book which creates market depth. This requirement for labor creates a barrier-to-liquidity, meaning that some threshold of trade activity level is required in order to retain high liquidity at the market price. This barrier-to-liquidity particularly affects small cap, custom, lightly traded currencies, such as community currencies or small business loyalty points, as examples.

The Bancor protocol proposes a new solution that removes the barrier-to-liquidity by employing an asynchronous price-discovery model enabled by asset-holding smart tokens. Smart tokens are always purchasable and sellable for the token(s) they hold in reserve. The continuous liquidity of smart tokens removes the barrier-to-liquidity and enables the emergence of the long tail of user-generated currencies. This could lead to a democratization of value creation, similarly to how blogs democratized publishing and YouTube democratized broadcasting.

Beyond enabling the long tail of cryptocurrencies, the Bancor protocol mechanism of intrinsic reserve currencies coupled with the ability of the smart contract to issue and liquidate smart tokens, also holds profound implications in use cases where the goal is not to create new credit (as is the case with most new cryptocurrencies) but rather to enable the exchange of existing currencies without a counterparty or orderbook (see “Token Changers”) or to enable the direct ownership of currency baskets, or index funds, without counterparty risk (see “Decentralized ETFs”).

Source: https://www.bancor.network/faq/general

Thanks for the info, but all I see is big words or theories... in the FAQ it also says that What is Bancor?

"The Bancor protocol enables anyone to create a new type of cryptocurrency called a smart token, which can hold (and trade) other cryptocurrencies"  Really???  Like thanks to Bancor we will get another 500 new coins?! oh wow, thanks alot Bancor! Now just how do we find buyers and demand for each and every one of those new coins?

My questions is, does Bancor still relies on ETH to create those new tokens? or is everything still based on ETH??  If Bancor can create its own tokens and be competitor to ETH then I can see the purpose, but if it relies on Ether then why even bother?
624  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem on: June 25, 2017, 03:24:31 PM
What exactly is the real purpose of Bancor?  On their website it says "ANYONE CAN CREATE A TOKEN AND LAUNCH A CROWDSALE"  is that the real purpose?    I think investors now after Bancor ICO are more cautious, and will not invest blindly into new ICOs, I think Bancor will drop to $1 soon, that ICO bubble is over...
625  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cofound.it ICO evaluation and mentoring platform discussion on: June 25, 2017, 03:08:12 PM
Price going up.ICN took almost a year to reach $5.Give cfi some time and it will be $10 in next 6 years

LOL 6 years??? Are you serious? in 6 years the BTC can be 1 cent!
626  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem on: June 25, 2017, 02:36:54 PM
I haven't seen BNT the price drop below 0.01 ETH ... is it even possible ?

Sell pressure very strong and there are no BNT updates for now, I guess at least 2 months nothing will happen, so price will drop maybe to 0.005eth...
627  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★ KoreCoin v2.0 ★★ [KORE]New ERA - VOIP WALLET -100% ANON - 100% PoS - PoBAnon on: June 23, 2017, 11:57:27 PM
Does it actually work and functional phone calling or just prototype and investment in idea?
628  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CRB] Creditbit - ERC20 token on: June 23, 2017, 10:59:47 PM
It was unfortunate that creditbit was added on bittrex within days of ether crash... but I hope it will do better next week, still holding from 50k Sad
629  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BURST] Burstcoin | Efficient HDD Mining | New Version 1.2.8 | Assets | CFs on: June 23, 2017, 01:26:07 PM
wow Burst is doing the Sia thing!!! omg!! x10 coming!!
630  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cofound.it ICO evaluation and mentoring platform discussion on: June 23, 2017, 10:44:46 AM
F you Whale!!!!!!!   20 more BTC and I don't wanna see your effin face in cofound! I hope you whale cryyy hard tomorrow sellin so cheap and keepin price down!! F you whale!!!!!
631  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: R.I.P Ethereum - The Pre-Mined ScamCoin is dead on: June 22, 2017, 05:32:36 PM
Is it dead yet?
632  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cofound.it ICO evaluation and mentoring platform discussion on: June 22, 2017, 03:29:51 PM
That rogue whale was there since last night at 10k, then at 9k and now at 8k! he can't sell and is desperate to get out!  I think this whale was hyped into ICO and uneducated bought any available ICO he could and now this rogue whale is losing shit load of money and want out!

Personally I think that is just one very intelligent trader. I don't think he intends to send the price down to 5k sat then buy more and lose 40 BTC but he could, and wait a few weeks/months for it to return to 15k for a larger profit, or just pull the order and wait for a higher value, there is no rush to make money when you hold that much BTC. You don't lose BTC until you sell!

If you think otherwise maybe you should sell Smiley

I hope you are right, but I think what we witness now is new phenomenon of dumb money and not really a trader like we used to know.  This person will probably crash the price back to 3k just to get out of this coin, I don't think he even realize that price will go back up again!
633  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cofound.it ICO evaluation and mentoring platform discussion on: June 22, 2017, 03:15:28 PM
That rogue whale was there since last night at 10k, then at 9k and now at 8k! he can't sell and is desperate to get out!  I think this whale was hyped into ICO and uneducated bought any available ICO he could and now this rogue whale is losing shit load of money and want out!
634  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cofound.it ICO evaluation and mentoring platform discussion on: June 22, 2017, 02:55:06 PM
damn the 100BTC Whale pushing price lower and lower!!!!
fukin whales who bought into ICO hype now selling all like crazy! this the end! im out at huge loss!  But will keep an eye on this coin, maybe in in 2-3 months will be back to 16k!
635  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LMC]LoMoCoin - first built-in cryptocurrency LBS entertainment application on: June 22, 2017, 11:32:26 AM
I think this coin dead, no communication from any devs, no social media.... just zombie coin pump and dump...
636  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [SNRG] 🔥 Synergy 🔥 Cloud.Synergycoin.com Cloud Bot Now Live!! 🔥 on: June 22, 2017, 11:31:10 AM
WTF Happening with this coin? IS it ETHER alternative or waht??
637  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CRB] Creditbit - ERC20 token on: June 22, 2017, 09:37:01 AM
In China big pump!
https://www.dabtc.com/home/Trade/index/coin/CRBIT.html
638  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cofound.it ICO evaluation and mentoring platform discussion on: June 21, 2017, 04:08:08 PM
weak hands.... this coin at least $1 next week! Wink
639  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cofound.it ICO evaluation and mentoring platform discussion on: June 21, 2017, 01:40:00 PM
OMG!! Why this coin so price massacre?? this is maddness!
640  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cofound.it ICO evaluation and mentoring platform discussion on: June 21, 2017, 11:56:01 AM
WALLET BACK ONLINE!!!! Get ready for pump!!! going 30k !
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