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6201  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 20, 2012, 09:53:28 PM
Authority is gained and negotiated over time.  Also it is not just "the will of some people", most people agree with having some form of central government.  They would choose it given a choice because they distrust most people they are not in direct contact with.  This is the point this fringe AnCap movement is missing, people are social and are naturally inclined to form methods of hierarchy. 

I don't think it's missed at all. I think the point is that it should be voluntary.
6202  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 20, 2012, 04:32:45 PM
Dalkore, just caught up reading the rest of your arguments. The gist of your claim is that, since you were born in this society that provided you, you now "owe" that society for the things it provided. Fair enough. So, tell me, how much is that debt, exactly, and how can one pay it off? I'm not even suggesting "i paid of my debt, so nowI can ignore rules and laws when I'm visiting others or am on public property." Rules that others establish for their own property I'm fine with. I mean, how much do I have to pay to buy back the claims that the state has laid on me and my own property, so that I can be free  to have my own rules on the land I own, and pay taxes only for services  I want?

I like this line of thought.

One question, though: How would this not be a slave purchasing their own freedom?

Oh, it surely would be. But, as you say, even many slaves got to purchase their freedom. I think this just highlights the fallacy of the "You are born owing a debt" bullshit.
6203  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 20, 2012, 04:17:25 PM
Dalkore, just caught up reading the rest of your arguments. The gist of your claim is that, since you were born in this society that provided you, you now "owe" that society for the things it provided. Fair enough. So, tell me, how much is that debt, exactly, and how can one pay it off? I'm not even suggesting "i paid of my debt, so nowI can ignore rules and laws when I'm visiting others or am on public property." Rules that others establish for their own property I'm fine with. I mean, how much do I have to pay to buy back the claims that the state has laid on me and my own property, so that I can be free  to have my own rules on the land I own, and pay taxes only for services  I want?

I like this line of thought.
6204  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 20, 2012, 04:13:51 PM
Unless you are a 100% Native American, your parents either immigrated or were brought as slaves so they signed themselves up and you defacto when they came here. 

Neither of these happen to be the case but that's not really relevant to a general discussion. You still have not specified a source for the authority other than the will of some people.
6205  Other / Off-topic / Re: Gun free zone on: December 20, 2012, 04:10:25 PM

in a way, you are saying that the usa is, regarding guns, fucked up beyond repair. i can agree on that.

So given that*, what is the correct and most effective response to the problems?






*I disagree with this perspective but let's not make that the issue
6206  Other / Off-topic / Re: Gun free zone on: December 19, 2012, 08:40:00 PM

In some schools they do have airport style security.  I can't imagine it does wonders for creating a welcoming learning environment.

Oh, they learn to be good little worker drones real fine. Shut-up and submit.
6207  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will the Armory come back if USA changes its weapon laws? on: December 19, 2012, 08:37:01 PM

There's a nerf gun that does that. Not sure how accurate it is, or how it would scale to anything capable of doing damage.

That's what I was thinking. I was actually 'inspired' by a Mythbusters where they fired a penny from a modified rifle. It's a square hole so could eliminate any need for rotary tooling if the disk could be given some spin. The point of rifling is stability of the bullet but how essential is it that the axis of spin be along direction of travel?

OTOH, those nerf guns tend to skew to one side so that may be an issue. Then does the ammo need to be caseless and what do you do about feeding? Probably a dead-end but I think I'll mull on it a while.
6208  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 19, 2012, 08:32:39 PM

I own myself (body, mind and spirit) and I understand that I am not the only claimant on my output that is codified in our taxation system, in America.  

To Myrkul:  "Check"

So by what authority does the "codified taxation system" have on your property other than just a bunch of people want to take your stuff?
6209  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will the Armory come back if USA changes its weapon laws? on: December 19, 2012, 08:25:47 PM
I wonder if it would be possible to come up with a design for a gun assembled from (for example) laser-cut 1/8" steel or aluminum plate stacked and riveted.

That's basically an AK-47.  They are stamped out of sheet metal.  The only part which needs machining above the peasant-workshop level is the barrel.

This is also why AK-47's suck.  When running, they feel and sound like you are holding an old worn-out cake mixer that's about to fly apart in your hands.  Civilized gentlemen don't own them.

I mean avoiding any stamping or bending or anything that requires any level of skill other than fixing a bunch of rivets (nuts and bolts might even be an idea).

I even have an idea about the barrel. Forget round bullets, would shooting coin-type disks work if you could give them some spin?
6210  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will the Armory come back if USA changes its weapon laws? on: December 19, 2012, 03:37:48 PM
I wonder if it would be possible to come up with a design for a gun assembled from (for example) laser-cut 1/8" steel or aluminum plate stacked and riveted. The barrel would have to be created by other methods probably. The real tricky part there is that one of the major advancements in firearms is rifling and that requires some clever design (though it might be straightforward for sufficiently advanced 3d printing)
6211  Other / Off-topic / Re: Running out of money fast! on: December 19, 2012, 03:21:56 PM
Ultimately, you have to decide if you are married or just two people living in the same house.
6212  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will the Armory come back if USA changes its weapon laws? on: December 19, 2012, 05:38:12 AM
3d printer is probably the wrong technology anyway. They're cool and I would love to have one but something in CNC would get you something better, cheaper and more reliable.
6213  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If society was an organism... on: December 19, 2012, 05:23:28 AM
Possibly the government could be part of the brain. The lizard part. Eat, f*ck, fight, sh*t. That's about all it can manage.

I can see where some arguments could be made for the monkey part too. But it comes nowhere near the frontal lobes.
6214  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 19, 2012, 05:14:46 AM
All this arguing is pointless.  Aggression is a biological problem, once that problem is solved there will be no need for many services that the government claims it must exist to provide.

Aggression has very little power if a person cannot be executed, feel pain, or be imprisoned.

Just you wait for the robot rebellion.
6215  Other / Off-topic / Re: Running out of money fast! on: December 19, 2012, 01:37:35 AM
Never let a woman within 10 feet of your credit card.

A woman with a credit card is as dangerous as a bird with a machine gun.

African or European?
6216  Other / Off-topic / Re: Running out of money fast! on: December 19, 2012, 01:18:32 AM
My wife is a crazy person who NEEDS to spend spend spend!
Savings running dry!

what do i do?

 Tongue



You could ask her to go to one of those Dave Ramsey thingies.

Seriously, not being on the same page wrt finances can be extremely damaging to a relationship.
6217  Economy / Collectibles / Re: How would you like to design a bitcoin banknote? on: December 17, 2012, 04:13:59 AM
This is why I would love to see BIP 0038 implemented.

PROOF OF CONCEPT: Ignore shitty perspective and other details



In a real case I would probably place the Spend code, together with the written encrypted key on the back. But it's only to show that Paper wallets can also be Plastic Wallets!
2. Wrong! Use a chip who signs the transaction internal.

Cards with chips will cost more, and requires expensive readers to works while qrcode can be decoded by a smartphone or a barcode reader.


Who's phone is doing the scanning? If the payer, what's the point? If the payee, you're taking the step 2 on trust.
6218  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoins Can Inflate Too - Stop worrying about deflation. on: December 15, 2012, 11:38:44 AM
. . . the best answer is for people to be told that if they deposit their money in such an account, they may not be able to access them immediately (and quite possibly, ever). If you want to be able to access your bitcoins immediately at all times, that is a different type of account (and will likely require fees for the service)
This sort of FRB is already openly occurring right now at an exchange.  Read up about bitFloor and the theft issue they ran into.  Rather than shutting down the exchange permanently, the chose to record the deposited "bitcoins" (that have been stolen and therefore no longer exist at the exchange) as being "on hold" so that people can't access them immediately (and quite possible, ever).  These bitcoins come out of "hold" as the exchange replenishes their "reserves" from what would otherwise be their profits.

I believe there is some trading going on in these "holds". People are buying and selling them at a discounted value based on speculation of the likelihood of return. This is similar to how I said promisory notes might be valued above and is not dissimilar to how debt is traded (if you get a call about a really old debt, it is likely the caller only paid pennies on the dollar to buy the debt and is probably far from the first person to have bought the debt)
6219  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoins Can Inflate Too - Stop worrying about deflation. on: December 14, 2012, 03:49:57 PM
OK, the trust thing is a bit of a non-sequitur and a different discussion. I think we should leave that to one side (though it does play into things a little).

So let's take your situation with me and Bob. Firstly, it's not bitcoins that have been inflated, it's bank-of-mrvision promisory notes. Now, there's a question of how much those notes are worth. Pragmatically, that's what the market will bear. But more philosophically, it wouldn't be half of the number of bitcoins, it would be some factor depending on the trustworthiness of your bank and the actual value of the note.

Where the confusion arises is that currently, a deposit in the bank is treated as if it is an actual store of value, of the actual items on the note. That the items have been lent out to someone else and are thus at-risk is hidden from the depositor and hence a form of government-backed fraud. If everyone acknowledges that deposits in a fractional reserve account involves a degree of risk and retrieval of funds is dependent on the liquidity of the bank, everyone will be better off and the issues with FRB (in and of itself) become mostly insignificant.
6220  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoins Can Inflate Too - Stop worrying about deflation. on: December 14, 2012, 02:13:18 PM
With bitcoin, all FRB requires is that the lender deposit X bitcoins and be given a note promising the return of the bitcoins (or rather an equivalent amount of different bitcoins). The actual bitcoins can then be lent to someone else. Thus there is no reason that there couldn't be reserve banking in bitcoins.

The issue becomes if the depositer wants their bitcoins back. If there is a reserve, they may be able to be paid in full. If many people want their bitcoins back, there is a problem. Insurance is one possible answer but the best answer is for people to be told that if they deposit their money in such an account, they may not be able to access them immediately (and quite possibly, ever). If you want to be able to access your bitcoins immediately at all times, that is a different type of account (and will likely require fees for the service)
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