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6241  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: August 24, 2013, 08:45:15 PM
Then ill take it that all shares found below the diff set arent lost when you use such a high diff.

If you set the diff at X, you won't send any nonces found which are below X in difficulty. But one correct result (diff at X or higher) is worth X shares. The idea behind this is to lessen the impact of fast ASICs on pools. There simply is no need to send all the diff 1 work, when you can send, say, 1 diff 32 (or higher) result and get 32 shares accepted. Also network bandwidth is saved.

So, in essence, all the nonces your ASICs find that have difficulty below X are "wasted", but the valid nonces are also worth more. It will even out over time.

Thats what i wondered. So at a diff 8 all shares below 8 are wasted but thats not a problem because the pool pays you more because you only send higher shares to the pool. If that payment is done fair its ok. I only thought that all the wasted shares will summarize to a lot shares. Seems thats no an issue.
If i read it right a difficulty should be a multiple of 8 right? I tried with 5 and with 1000 but it looked like it lead to a lower hashrate. With 8 its good again. So ill try with multiples of 8 now.

Quote

Code:
usb_write error on avalon write
BTB0: conns error (buffer)

Try different usb hub. I've had that on one of my hubs.  Especially if you use rpi, Ive used that hub on pc and I dont get that errors anymore. At the same time I bought belkin hub yesterday and that works fine with rpi and pc but I can only use 4 out 7 ports. What I dont get is that I can use my BFL miners on any hub and any host with no problems, but for some reason bitburners are very picky when it comes to hubs or rpi is. Now I have worked out which hubs works where, I dont get usb write errors so try to play around and see if it helps.

The thing is that its one of the rpi-usb-ports i use. And i use this port from the start. I really dont know why this error started to appear now only since it worked all the time before. Im not even sure it has to do with the newest firmware since the new firmware ran fine for days before too. I dont have a clue if its the usb port of rpi or something with the bitburner. The usb cable is the same too since the start. And this problem only happens when i quit cgminer. Not at another time.
6242  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 24, 2013, 07:38:24 PM
So some people cash out to invest in labcoin since they will start to build up TH soon. Fine. Its not that Asicminer is dead now. Asicminer is Labcoin in strong position already. And Asicminer will remain one of the big players that share the market of mining. Private miners soon wont play a big role anymore since they have to play prices they cant compete with Asicminer and similar companies for long. Simple as that.
So no, i wont give away my shares only because 2 things come together now. Investments in competitors and friedcat investments in new hashpower.
6243  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: August 24, 2013, 07:24:06 PM
>I say because who has showed up to demonstrate otherwise? far as i see fabrizio==samuel? who is the guy on chatroom can you tell me?

I dont know of a chat. I use the infos i find so why should i think about that chat? And at least in my country your guilty if you proof one is guilty, its not that he has to proof that he is not guilty.

>it's not a theory, you are saying so vaguely "all the work that needs to be done" such as what? These guys are nominee director and ceo respectively with chinese and european team to do the dishes (if you beleive their stories) so under the labcoin account he was active regularly during the time his european and chinese team were hard at work on not only a 180nm asic, but a 65nm too- which is the bulk of the work. yet after he's collected 700K he hasn't said a word in 3 weeks.. even though the ic is supposedly finalising fab, during this process you can only twiddle your thumbs, pcb is not a 3 week job by their capabilities..so what could of changed where he suddenly find himself so busy he cannot login for 5 minutes?

What do you think they have to work? Do you think leading a groupbuy is not much work? I think you only have to collect money and wait right? Its far from true. Its a lot more work you dont even think of. And i doubt that a CEO in this project only is telling someone "I want an ASIC" and thats it. Theres much more work involved im sure. But youre right... some words on this would be good.

>why don't you search "久昌國際物流有限公司" and start digging. chips are not in customs and Yifu have to pay in order to get some chips sent,mqh,ccmbc,colorbit,qqagent,furious,42btc,10btc,beehive,btcdrill,beehive,tuanbtc,hashmining,digcoin blalalalal shitty china oems have managed to collect..limited qty whatsmore he cannot directly pay to get them out

Im not sure what you wrote but i think somethings not correct around Yifu. I tend to believe he sold our chips to a high bidder and ordered more for us... now they come late.

>I'm not asking him to speak with every shareholder, furthermore i don't even care about locked shares- i just think since he is promised to no other option than to deliver

Yes, a promise should be kept. Especially when people should trust you. But in fact he already have enough people that trust him, he collected the money he needs already.

>no there are companies offering investment and not only purchase of hardware, you have to do own research and evaluate whether real, whether profitable this sort of things.

I did. I only found ActiveMining and Labcoin that create their own asics and want to reinvest into miners to get this going long time. Then there is 100TH which only wants to build 200TH and thats it. And thats all i know... the rest are companies that create Asics to sell miners. Let me know if you know more and ill check them out. Litecoin Asics would be interesting too.

>it's true..I can't see what sense not to just dissapear if it's the case- it's certainly more profitable to actually deliver, but still it's not enough to say for sure they are legitimate cause of that- other scams have happened that don't seem logical

That might be right. But again... this is an investment. You check for yourself if you want to invest and if you can bear the chance to lose everything. In turn you have the chance to earn some money.
6244  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: August 24, 2013, 07:06:08 PM
110% difficulty rise in the last 30 days. Poor guys with preorders coming in some months only... http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/
6245  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: August 24, 2013, 06:56:50 PM
Then ill take it that all shares found below the diff set arent lost when you use such a high diff.

But i have another problem that occured lately. Restart of rpi didnt help.

Often when i close cgminer with q to use another setting i get the following message and after them nothing happens. cgminer wont close anymore then:

Code:
usb_write error on avalon write
BTB0: conns error (buffer)
6246  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Open Transactions (Windows Builds) - v0.89.f on: August 24, 2013, 06:44:17 PM
you should be pasting the entire otc file when doing addserver command.

I do.

I start OT. Then i get opentxs> and type addserver + enter.

It tells me "please paste as server contract, followed by an EOF or a ~ by itself on a blank line:

I then open DigitalisOTserver.otc i downloaded from markm. I copy the content:
Code:
-----BEGIN SIGNED CONTRACT-----
Hash: SAMY

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<notaryProviderContract version="1.0">

<entity shortname="Digitalis"
longname="Digitalis Data Services"
email="markmetson@sourceforge.net"
serverURL="http://sourceforge.net/p/galacticmilieu/home/Home/"/>

<notaryServer hostname="ot.knotwork.com"
 port="7084"
 URL="http://sourceforge.net/p/galacticmilieu/home/Home/" />

<condition name="backing">
  Neither Digitalis Data Services, nor SourceForge, actually issue the
  currencies or digital assets, and they do not back any of the same.
  You are solely responsible for whom you choose to trade with.
</condition>

<condition name="audit">
  Open Transactions software is open source, and
  code audits are randomly performed by hackers in the
  open source community. Fellow Traveler (the author of the
  software) also uses Valgrind.
</condition>

<condition name="rate">
  Hopefully at some point some kind of fee structure will be
  implemented to support the running of the server. Possibly
  something similar to loom's usage-tokens but if so we would
  probably use bitNicKeLs for the purpose (as that is the kind
  of purpose for which bitNicKeLs were intended).
</condition>

<condition name="liability">
  Issuers are solely liable to perform according to
  the conditions specified in their asset contracts.
</condition>

<condition name="mint">
  Float - the total quantity of any digital asset outstanding -
  is created by the issuer from his own mint, and signed by his
  private key.

  Disbursements from the Mint account are to be made on receipt of
  duly signed and public authorization from the Issuer.  All
  disbursements from the Mint account are to be made to the single
  Currency Comptroller account identified by the authorization.

  From time to time, the Currency Comptroller may direct the
  Currency Manager to return digital assets to the Mint
  for the express purpose of reducing the float. Digital assets
  so delivered are to be deposited into the Mint account,
  thus reducing the float by that amount.
</condition>

<condition name="privacy">
  The purchase, redemption and trading at Digitalis OT server
  normally are done on the basis of strong privacy. We try to
  never release any of your information unless compelled by law.
</condition>

<!-- KEYS -->

<key name="contract">
- -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----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- -----END CERTIFICATE-----
</key>

</transactionServerContract>

-----BEGIN CONTRACT SIGNATURE-----
Version: Open Transactions 0.75
Comment: http://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions/wiki

CoABFojWQphmaNv2WOIsGuvvqtO4zIJS74K9+rieHoeJ7jNu9SGFgPhvIPw84Ghi
ual/poyRK870Fs2y2T9dMctWiuj+D3+2bURcLfv/Kz3wXmldGfV9UAeYQhlVSkIv
BMyUqVu6LIIDle9CUFRICjNohX89qCr55b+Wqvcppbj7oEY=
-----END CONTRACT SIGNATURE-----

in he bash and since Enter isnt working as EOF in Windows i put a ~ in a blank line behind. Then enter.
Code:
It shows me Error in OTContract::ParseRawFile: EOF while reading xml content.
Sorry, failed. Are you sure that was a server contract?

Is the server contract too old for the version of OT or is there a problem with copying the files content in windows?

By the way... how do i close OT without having to delete next time the file: ot.pid first in client_data to run OT?

Sorry for asking so much...
6247  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum - Bitcoin client for the common users (friendly and instant) on: August 24, 2013, 06:35:51 PM
You can also do it with a single transaction, but that's less impressive.

Note that this setup performs a single large transaction to all the addresses. This minimizes fees required.

Another item - you can test this feature by creating a CSV and loading it, but it does not try to send unless you confirm it - it chains into the raw transaction window that offers a sign or cancel option. If you don't enter a password (and have one set) then no TX can be made.

Hm, thats strange. I now copied your example:
Code:
"16Ad3kT79J4bUtpKACKTBbwDwJgykwGf5h", 1
"1MME7H55rfY1i9kNxv9K9cj8yqnShqzo2L", 0.0001

then copied it into the window appearing after "load raw transaction"-> from text and clicked on load transaction. The result is: "Electrum was unable to parse your transaction".

So something seems wrong with that function in 1.8.1 at the moment.
The CSV code isn't in any release.  To use the CSV handling code, you have to create a CSV file and use my fork's new button to import the CSV.

Since i use the portable windows version i have to wait for the next version then. But i wonder why raw transaction from text is already included in the menu. Thats new i believe. But implemented without your code behind? Maybe its only for single transactions.
6248  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: August 24, 2013, 02:56:17 PM
I found that my miners temperature is higher now than from the start. Before it was never above 49°C, now its at 53°C. I see a bit dust and i wonder if that bit dust can have such a great effect... can only test it.

Yesterday i had some problems with disabling cgminer. It stated then comms error buffer or something and cgminer did not close even after long time. I had to use a new tab for restart.

cgminer has no way to measure the actual hashrate of the avalon asic chips, it is estimating based on the nonces returned, just as is the pool you are connected to.


In my tests i found that the pools hashrate is very volatile. Using the same setting at the same temperature with cgminer gives nearly the same average hashrate after 1 hour. Its different with the pools hashrate. Even when i take an average out of the last 10 shown hashrate values. So i trust more the values i get from cgminer.

What i wonder... when i set the difficulty to 1000 doesnt i lose mining income? I mean cgminer only is sending such high shares to the pool then. All other shares are discarded. And there are a lot smaller shares at 1 and so. So doesnt this mean to lose much or doesnt this matter? I normally run with diffi 8 but if it doesnt matter i would use maybe 1000 or so.
No, setting the difficulty higher only increases the variance.

So e.g. 1000 diff vs 10 diff means you will submit (on average) one in every 1000 nonces found rather than on in every 10.
However each nonce submitted will be worth 1000 1diff shares rather than 10 1diff shares.
So ... yes ... simply ... higher variance, nothing more.

At the moment my main rig (125.5GH/s) is mining at 2176 diff ... about 1 share per 48 seconds.

Do you say all the small 1 diff shares are collected and then sent when at least 1000 shares are together? Might be true since the shares climbed in thousand steps onward. Which means they probably are summarized instead randomly having exactly 1000 shares found at once.
Looks like the diff then only changes the amount of connections to the pool and how big or small the sharepacket is.

@Lord Theron... did you change the avalon-options accordingly to the amount of miners clustered?

@burnin... i tested --avalon-queue but i dont see a big difference...
6249  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: August 24, 2013, 02:51:14 PM
@qwertyqwerty... So your believe that labcoin is a one man show is backed by something other than your theory? Of course no one can tell for sure in the net but when you claim such things at least you should deliver indicators.
And whats so strange with a companies name registered some months ago when the company was created for a special reason?

Why do you claim the issuer is lazy now after he collected the money? Its again a theory you come up with. Normally one would think he is too busy doing all the work that has to be done. If you think its different you have to deliver indicators.

Yifu is a topic on itself, thats true. His explainations are... weak. A small amount of batches are in customs since 2 weeks while everyone waits since 5? And the amount is only a small amount? How can there be pictures of a mass of chips one month before, now two, and we still dont have the chips?
Yifu was ordering these chips already multiple times. There are no problems to await like with miners you have to create. You only order, receive and ship. Thats it. He did not explain why this should become problematic. Instead he claimed he had to hide from customers that visited parents of one of his employees to ask for more infos. The only reason someone had to go so far was the complete stop of communication from Yifu.
So no, Yifu is really a different topic.

Its correct, if one claims he will say a word he should keep his promise. Its bad behaviour otherwise.

>yes but you said simply keep out if you had doubts, then you go onto say you wrote to friedcat-  talking to friedcat and asking questions helped you address your concerns, reduce your risk and then you invested because you were happy enough. and so this is exactly what i am doing now.

Accepted. Clearing doubts is important. But i think its not normal that the CEO of a company is speaking with every shareholder. I think it should be good enough to speak with anyone from the company that can give informed answers.

>i agree with you..also there are other companies who will have asic finalized too and seem competitive

Which companies do you mean? Probably companies that want to sell those Asics only right? Thats nothing i would invest in since those miners are costly. Thats a downside against owning the design yourself.

>trutfully i can't say proof against this- only that scam does not necessarilly mean running off with money at first opportunity, I would call BS&T clear scam, but also I would call BFL a scam- even though they have delivered some hardware- i just don't know why there is some weird things in the security

Pirate and BFL are a scam and some kind of scam, i agree. But they work differently. They kept it running because they earned more money with this. Thats with BFL and pirate. But the issuer of labcoin cant do such...
6250  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: August 24, 2013, 01:59:55 PM
Where do you see missing activity? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90389;sa=showPosts

By the way nice to see... some days ago i searched some securities that have the ability to become Asicminer 2 and labcoin was in my view. Then i saw about the news and the pricerush and emotionally jumped in. Of course i bought high with up to 0.0025BTC then and was angry on me later to act on emotions... now seeing the orderbook im not feeling so bad anymore... Smiley

missing activity is not from the spokeperson- as we've seen other teams have also employed members with a proven history to stay active on forums- look at activeminer, hashfast and so forth- everyone has there 'cheearleader/ pr rep / or shill , however you would like t word it, maybe they are promised a % of profits afterwards  

missing activity is from the share issuer- last message from him 3 weeks ago saying he's open for audit on shares- burnside said he just needs account to lock, and swede said he will look at this issue as a priority. it's been mentioned a few times yet still ignored to date. All i want is for someone to come up with a plausible reason for ignoring such a request? people can write he is busy developing, but it is already said the ASIC is in tape out. this is what takes up the bulk of development time, and the two guys who's names have been given out are not developers but CEO and nominee directors, so what is the issue for delay?

has anybody been so busy for 3 weeks that they cannot spare 5 minutes? please be serious when answering. no doubt before collecting 700,000$ euros he was quicker at addressing concerns.Again the swede has written multiple times the brains themself will show up but they have not done so and again I see it as a problem they write that they will do so, but do not do so.

the closest investors have got is a strange man on IRC claiming to be colleague of chinese team- (the german connecting from anonymizer in stockholm that was not authorised to release his credentials, in his own words)

afterwards VBS wrote some questions about the hardware, and in original thread someone else asked questions about hardware but they went unanswered

It's also been written that accounts were created and waiting to be whitelisted, of course it is know this is lies,now these are 'minor' things which have not been addressed,really some don't care that much but there is no sensible reason to refuse to do so- they already know well more serious things they need to answer and i suspect he is hiding to avoid being confronted head on with these tricky questions.

just look at some of the posts above-- guys are now saying it does not matter about the locked shares issue because bitcoin is not a safe invesment anyway and they could of scammed you in other ways.. really? I cannot trust people enough to talk like this,  and it's true they can scam without anything to do with locked shares but making assumptions that people are inherently good, or somebody does 1 good thing so there is no way they will do a different bad thing---- people have got themselves in trouble talking like this,on this forums has been too many "unexpected" scams where one guy was good for so long then switched. people were left asking "why would he do such a thing".

people are now speculating about labcoin having 20% of network hashrate for next 100 years, posting fake info that increases shareprice drastically and price goes up with the news that nothings changed..if you find yourself nodding in agreement thinking these are compelling argument to invest and beleive it's a stable stock backed with solid credentials- and great business plan.. if you've calculated how many MH/S you are getting per share and it's good for your btc & if you beleive you will turn your 5btc into 5000 by all means go in- as far as i can see it is not an investment but a gamble based on rumours, trolls and market pumpers- not unlike activeminer.  we've not received any credible info from which you can say- yes these guys will be deploying xx TH in next weeks although this info could easily be posted by management at this stage, just revolving market of hype & fud

I see your point but such company isnt a one-man-show. So im not wondering that the main account isnt used frequently. In fact the amount of activity here is even higher than friedcat in Asicminer Thread does. But i remember theswede posted an update for labcoin here some days ago. Its fully normal to delegate such jobs.

Its normal to be more active when you only collect money. And its normal to work when you can do work. Its even good that he delegated support work to another person. Yifu from avalon is not able to do the same for some reason and is causing big anger... not only from me. Im ok when the ones that have to work are working and let others do the status updates.

Regarding answering pm's. I did a groupbuy for 5.6 Batches of 10K Avalon Chips. Around 300 unique buyers inside. That translated to up to 96 PM's each day. Which is far away from 5 minutes work per day. Its in reality hours each day, 7 days a week. I didnt find time for much other things. I guess its even worse with such a security here.

At the end these investments are a risk one has to take. Spread the risk through some companies but you should keep out if you have doubts. When i invested in Asicminer i searched for infos a lot and even friedcat wrote a bit to me via pm. At the end i did not have doubts and it did turn out well.

Till now i dont have doubts for labcoin and activemining too. Activemining is a bit safer since the issuer is proven by having working previous projects. Labcoin is a bit more risk. But by investing in both i could lose 100% of my investment. If one security turns out as a second Asicminer the investment will get back with high profits, if both turn out as Asicminer Clones the return will be even higher. So i dont risk much when i dont invest more than i can afford to lose.

But i have to admit that my research this time wasnt as carefully as with asicminer. Thats because of missing time.

I dont calculate by Hashrate, i calculate by logic that normal miners will have a hard time in the next months. They simply get bad prices and have to struggle to get the investment back. The only way out is to own an asic design. Thats what these securities do. If you own a design you are at the best position. You can beat every private miner this way. Its a proven concept and i await that only such companies will survive at some point. Except there will be an open source Asic design everyone can order for cost at a foundry. But i doubt that will happen fast.

How would you run such a scam? I mean burnside would find out when something strange happens. Till now the issuer only collected btc by selling a part of the overall shares. If he really wanted to scam that would have been the time to say byebye dont you think? I mean he had the btc already, he wont get more when the shareprice is rising because he cant sell more shares without getting noticed. So why letting stay this alive since months when you are already at the top of what you can gain? Does this make sense or do i miss something?
6251  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Open Transactions (Windows Builds) - v0.89.f on: August 24, 2013, 01:32:07 PM
Sounds like you should be using the otc file instead of the xml file.

If I were you, I wouldn't start with a real server. I would start with the localhost test server and copy over the test data. Play with it that way first before you start trying to talk to real servers.

I watched the videos and think i got a good enough overview about the possibilities of OT and because of the videos i can guess what the commands mean. (By the way... isnt there a man <command> or something like that?)

Im not sure what you mean with otc and xml. I downloaded the otc file and inside its xml right? So can i use the file directly? The command addserver asks me to paste the contract directly only.
6252  Local / Biete / Re: [Gruppenkauf] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 bestellt (geschlossen) on: August 24, 2013, 01:09:38 PM
Das mit der rechtskonformen drohkulisse wird nicht so einfach, denn es wurde weder ein fester liefertermin vereinbart, noch ein gerichtsstand festgelegt, keine rücktrittsvereinbarung usw. Nach deutschem recht befindet sich avalon noch nichtmal im verzug, denn da es keinen termin ausser der aussage 9-10 wochen gibt, müssten wir avalon erstmal durch mahnung in verzug setzen. Und da kein gerichtsstand vereinbart ist und es auch keine sonstigen agb gibt, können wir auch nicht einfach so deutsches recht unterstellen. Der einzige der von rechtlichen schritten profitieren würde, wäre der anwalt der für jeden handschlag geld sehen möchte - ohne erfolgsgarantie...

Das sehe ich auch so. Yifu hat mit seiner Lead Time etwas angegeben mit dem er sich nicht wirklich angreifbar gemacht hat. Das ist kein Liefertermin und nichts festes. Eine grobe Schätzung. Schadenersatz darauf aufzubauen stelle ich mir schwer vor.

Dazu kommt dass selbst wenn er 50% Schadenersatz zahlen würde man entweder die anderen 50% als Verlust abschreiben muss oder noch mal 100% drauflegen um Miner draus zu machen. Letzteres würde nicht wirklich helfen weil es dann nur noch 25% Refund wären. Ein Refund für Chips wäre nicht so viel wert wie einer für komplette Miner. Andererseits, wenn man 90% oder gar 100% bekommen würde und die Chips bei ihm läßt... nur bezweifle ich dass er sich darauf einläßt. Was soll er auch mit den Chips dann machen?

Gab es nicht mal Aufrufe einen Anwalt zu bezahlen aus anderen Gruppenkäufen. Hat da noch niemand mal nachgefragt? Ich hatte selbst mal nachgefragt ob jemand aus dem Gruppenkauf Anwälte als Freunde hat und der in den USA ist. Damit dieser eventuell einen Brief schreiben könnte. Allerdings hat sich Yifu dann recht schnell gemeldet gehabt so dass ein Brief nicht wirklich sinnvoll gewesen wäre.
Aber vielleicht hat ja schon mal jemand einen Anwalt gefragt wie die Lage bei solchen Angaben ist?
6253  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: August 24, 2013, 12:58:45 PM
I ran the numbers on those chips and they would be a real gamble even at half off. With 75-90% monthly increases we would have to get the chips into Avalon clones and hashing no later than the first half of October to make any sort of profit.
The network hash rate is unlikely to continue to grow at 75-90% for the next 12 months, as it becomes less profitable to buy mining equipment the increases will level off and likely drop.

One have to take the assembly cost in account that are again the costs the chips costs originally on top too.

But i think the rise will go on a long time. Since at the moment the people dont buy because its profitable... they pre-buy and that means when the hardware comes its not profitable anymore. They only dont know yet. And the difficulty will rise very strong because of all that prebought hardware.
6254  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum - Bitcoin client for the common users (friendly and instant) on: August 24, 2013, 12:53:41 PM
You can also do it with a single transaction, but that's less impressive.

Note that this setup performs a single large transaction to all the addresses. This minimizes fees required.

Another item - you can test this feature by creating a CSV and loading it, but it does not try to send unless you confirm it - it chains into the raw transaction window that offers a sign or cancel option. If you don't enter a password (and have one set) then no TX can be made.

Hm, thats strange. I now copied your example:
Code:
"16Ad3kT79J4bUtpKACKTBbwDwJgykwGf5h", 1
"1MME7H55rfY1i9kNxv9K9cj8yqnShqzo2L", 0.0001

then copied it into the window appearing after "load raw transaction"-> from text and clicked on load transaction. The result is: "Electrum was unable to parse your transaction".

So something seems wrong with that function in 1.8.1 at the moment.
6255  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: August 24, 2013, 12:43:58 PM
I found that my miners temperature is higher now than from the start. Before it was never above 49°C, now its at 53°C. I see a bit dust and i wonder if that bit dust can have such a great effect... can only test it.

Yesterday i had some problems with disabling cgminer. It stated then comms error buffer or something and cgminer did not close even after long time. I had to use a new tab for restart.

cgminer has no way to measure the actual hashrate of the avalon asic chips, it is estimating based on the nonces returned, just as is the pool you are connected to.


In my tests i found that the pools hashrate is very volatile. Using the same setting at the same temperature with cgminer gives nearly the same average hashrate after 1 hour. Its different with the pools hashrate. Even when i take an average out of the last 10 shown hashrate values. So i trust more the values i get from cgminer.

What i wonder... when i set the difficulty to 1000 doesnt i lose mining income? I mean cgminer only is sending such high shares to the pool then. All other shares are discarded. And there are a lot smaller shares at 1 and so. So doesnt this mean to lose much or doesnt this matter? I normally run with diffi 8 but if it doesnt matter i would use maybe 1000 or so.
6256  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: August 24, 2013, 12:16:35 PM
Where do you see missing activity? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90389;sa=showPosts

By the way nice to see... some days ago i searched some securities that have the ability to become Asicminer 2 and labcoin was in my view. Then i saw about the news and the pricerush and emotionally jumped in. Of course i bought high with up to 0.0025BTC then and was angry on me later to act on emotions... now seeing the orderbook im not feeling so bad anymore... Smiley
6257  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: August 24, 2013, 11:45:48 AM
Im not saying that is true but if one would have the plan to own an asic layout to be able to mine with self created asics it would be a good plan to collect money with a NRE, create the design, reward the investors and at the end you have an asic layout, enough money to order chips for yourself and you can build your own farm with 100% returns for yourself.

I DONT say its the case, only think it might be possible since its not logical to create a design and let it die then. And if the issuer planned to grow it like Asicminer he would have announced it from the start to attract more investors.

Only thinking...
6258  Local / Biete / Re: [Gruppenkauf] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 bestellt (geschlossen) on: August 24, 2013, 11:42:08 AM
Das letzte mal als ich fragte waren etwa die Hälfte der User für und die andere gegen Refunds. Wäre theoretisch machbar da wir ja 5.6 batches haben. Allerdings sind die Batches die wir zuerst bestellt haben auch am längsten überfällig. Und die wird wohl keiner freiwillig erstattet haben wollen. Und die letzten Batches sind gerade mal ein paar Tage überfällig, da wird es schwer fallen zu erklären warum wir eine Erstattung wollen.

Wie sollte man das lösen? Vorschläge? Weil Yifu könnte argumentieren dass es speziell bei unserem Gruppenkauf so ist dass es eher nicht seine Schuld ist sondern die massiv angestiegene Difficulty. Natürlich könnten wir auch die zuerst bestellten Batches zurückgeben wollen und eine Erstattung verlangen. Allerdings würden die restlichen User dann umso länger auf ihre Chips warten müssen. Das würde vermutlich nicht auf Begeisterung stoßen. Und mit einer Erstattung für die letzten Batches... siehe oben.

Wie gesagt... lasst mich wissen was ich machen soll, momentan denke ich für meine privaten Chips dass ich halt viel investiert habe und diesmal verloren und dass ich noch am wenigsten verliere wenn ich die Miner herstellen lasse und so lange minen lasse wie möglich. Natürlich wird irgendwann der Punkt kommen wo es sich nicht lohnt die Chips in Miner einzubauen und man lieber die Chipkosten als Verlust abschreibt.

Ich bin Fan von echter Demokratie (nicht diese Pseudo-Demokratie die man heutzutage so nennt)... also laßt mich wissen was ich machen soll.
6259  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Open Transactions (Windows Builds) - v0.89.f on: August 23, 2013, 08:01:36 PM
I used the windows installer and OT starts fine. List shows nothing which should be normal. When adding markm's server i get an error and he asks me if it really is a server contract. I simply copied the content of the file into the batch after command addserver.

I then downloaded the last moneychanger and java recognizes it as executable jar but nothing starts when i click it. I put it in OT-Dir but its not changing. The contracts dont have to be available before right?

FYI -- da2ce7 hasn't updated his build to the latest version of OT, and there have been some API changes.

In fact the java test GUI itself also needs to be updated, which I will probably get to Sunday night.

I may also boot up Windows and make sure that the main branch of OT still builds for Windows, since I haven't tested it on that platform for several builds.

BY THE WAY: Your problem may be unrelated to the above. Da2ce7 has remarked in the past that this specific problem (where nothing starts when you click on it) is the result of specific dependencies not being installed properly. See the docs/ install instructions for WINDOWS -- certain dependencies (OpenSSL, boost, etc) need both 32 bit and 64 bit versions installed.)

Of course this won't be a problem once there is an official install program.


So i have to wait for either the official install or an updated GUI?

In that case i would prefer to test OT as script. Can you tell whats the problem with importing the server contract? I use the command addserver, then open the digitalis file in notepad and copy all content without linebreak having enabled from there into the shell. Then i go into new line and add a ~. Then it tells me that its not a contract. Do you know the problem?
6260  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum - Bitcoin client for the common users (friendly and instant) on: August 23, 2013, 07:52:20 PM
I had done it and it is in my fork. I had not attempted a push to get it included since I had not gotten any feedback on the format. I also got 'some' of the bounty - not all (though honestly w/ the bounty, not a huge deal - o realized I also offerred method of bounty payment as directed towards fundraiser, so I suppose some value could have gone there instead of the address is setup, woops.). Source code at: https://github.com/harningt/electrum

Currently based off 1.8 + some patches.

Input format (no header):
Quoted address, amount to send

Example file data

Code:
"16Ad3kT79J4bUtpKACKTBbwDwJgykwGf5h", 1
"1MME7H55rfY1i9kNxv9K9cj8yqnShqzo2L", 0.0001

If this looks good, I'll rebase it off of master and then see about getting it included possibly.

Thanks... ill try it next time this way when i have a double transaction...
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