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6261  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: almost an hour, no confirm still on: July 09, 2015, 06:05:36 PM

Your TX is one of ~40k waiting for a confirmation, it might take a while to get confirmed.
6262  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are we stress testing again? on: July 08, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
It's an attack at this point guys... We need to do something.. increasing the block size is not the right path.  Dynamic fees IMO are the way.

We already have that. Bitcoin core does a pretty good job to determine the fee for a given block the TX should be in.

but it doesn't force them. I think that was his proposal. but I'm not sure if that's the final solution

Id rather not have a client thats forcing me to pay a high fee just because someone is currently burning money on the network. Im perfectly fine to pay the same fee as always and wait a day. If I want something to go fast I can always increase the fee, but its still a decision I want to make myself.
6263  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are we stress testing again? on: July 08, 2015, 05:24:36 PM
It's an attack at this point guys... We need to do something.. increasing the block size is not the right path.  Dynamic fees IMO are the way.

We already have that. Bitcoin core does a pretty good job to determine the fee for a given block the TX should be in.
6264  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the cold storage wallet? on: July 08, 2015, 03:10:18 PM
Hi everyone

What is the cold storage wallet?

A wallet is considered cold if it is kept offline without any internet connection. In order to broadcast transactions and keep up to date on your balances you also need a watch only wallet that is online, but does not have the private keys in order to sign a transaction. The watch only wallet creates the transaction, but cant sign it. You transfer it to the offline computer (e.g. via QR-code or USB-stick), sign it there and transfer it back for broadcasting.


And how to do that?

Thanks in advance.

#1 get additional computer
#2 install software
#3 dont go online
6265  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: My tx is stuck in the stress test, what can I do? on: July 08, 2015, 01:31:58 PM
Sorry if it is in the wrong section.

I've made a tx to send about 0.06 BTC to multiple destinations and got a ~0.03 BTC change for myself. However since I've forgotten about the stress test, I've paid only 0.00002 as fees and it don't confirm for 5.5 hours. I've heard somewhere else in this forum that paying extra tx fees from one of the outputs can make the tx confirm faster. Is that true?
I'm asking that whether this method could work. Please read the post before posting.

Its called "child pays for parent" and to my knowledge miners have not implemented it. Thus it would just add another TX that does not get confirmed.
6266  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: unconfirmed transaction on: July 08, 2015, 11:07:57 AM
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Ich bin Empfänger, und der Sender faucetbox.com sollte ja eigentlich auch kein scam sein. Für die kleinen Beträge nutze ich nach wie vor electrum als wallet.

Dann abwarten, die TX wird auf Dauer bestätigt werden. Ich vermute die benutzen entweder bitcoin core direct oder über eine API auf einem Server, von daher sollte die TX ca. alle 30 Minuten neu losgeschickt werden und dann irgendwann auch von nem Miner in einen Block verpackt werden. Durch die >40K anderen TX kann das aber eine Weile dauern. Da es sowas in dieser Größenordnung noch nicht gab, ist es schwer zu sagen wie lange, aber. Die Frage ist wann der Spam (stress test) aufhört. 40k TX brauchen so 20 bis 40 Blöcke und abgearbeitet zu werden, also ca. 3 bis 7 Stunden.
6267  Other / Meta / Re: Stake your Bitcoin address here on: July 08, 2015, 10:57:29 AM
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Just for future reference and to prove my forum account ownership.

But that would require you to sign a message with the address and if I understood you correctly you cant do that. Anyway, lets no derail the thread with a discussion about that. Im sure you have thought about that and have your reasons to stake your address(es) here.

6268  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: unconfirmed transaction on: July 08, 2015, 10:54:39 AM
ich habe gestern abend eine transaktion erhalten die eine ganze Weile auf pending stand. Heute morgen war diese Transaktion aus meiner wallet verschwunden. https://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/6fe19145e9e8270c56f0dd54db82fe82072d1978a28a8f597807e7854aab210e
Was passiert jetzt mit der Transaktion? Wieso wurde diese nicht in einen Block aufgenommen?

Bist Du Sender oder Empfänger? Welche wallet software/service benutzt Du? Einige "vergessen" unbestätigt TX nach einiger Zeit, insbesondere wenn die Wallet zwischendurch geschlossen wurde. Spätestens wenn die TX in nem Block ist, weiß deine Wallet aber wieder bescheid. Wenn Du der Absender bist, solltest Du sie regelmäßig neu versenden, da z.B: bc.i schon nichts mehr davon weiß. Die leiden aber auch ziemlich unter dem Spam.

Es gibt zur Zeit sehr viele Transactionen die auf eine Bestätigung warten. Da spammt jemand das Netzwerk. Dabei wird ne Menge Geld verbrannt von daher kann man davon ausgehen das sich die Situation bald bessert. Unter normalen Umständen ist die TX völlig ok, die ist zwar groß, aber die Gebühren sind entsprechend hoch.



Im Vergleich zum Rest des Monats:



Die kleineren Ausschläge nach oben die sind die letzten "Stress tests".
6269  Other / Meta / Re: Stake your Bitcoin address here on: July 08, 2015, 10:45:14 AM
Since Im using an online wallet that doesn't have a sign message option I will stake again my btc address here because my online wallet upgrade my wallet to multi sig and updated my incoming address. But still funds sent to my previous address will still credit to my old btc address.

This is my first post here in this thread way back last May 2015 :

Mine is

1BYqraCdxn5oBqawZKyNn8sTPSAre12Htt

 Cool

Now my btc address is :

32sMPM7zWfsAUPywteMcraesjEK5WkMFbc
32sMPM7zWfsAUPywteMcraesjEK5WkMFbc
32sMPM7zWfsAUPywteMcraesjEK5WkMFbc

Please quote for future reference. Thanks everyone.

I just installed Mycelium now and browsing all of its feature. I thought I can sign message with my online wallet addres there lol.



Quoted, but I dont see a reason for you to stake your address here if you cant sign a message with it anyway.

Mycelium allows signing message, but it needs the private key for it, in case of multi sig it would also need x out of Y keys. Im not sure if Myclium allows multisig signed messages though.
6270  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Double payments on: July 08, 2015, 10:07:38 AM
I've been doing some bitcoin collections from some sites to see how they work. Suprizingly, I got a double payment in one of my transactions



Notice one says pending the other has been verified. The pending one is the one that was mistakenly sent. I don't think it was sent by mistake, somehow I just got doubled payed.

I got this through automated payments from a site that provides bitcoins for clicking ads, I don't think the mistake was from their system.

Why do you think the mistake was done elsewhere, but by those that send you the coins?

Any insights?

WIthout a transaction ID its hard to say. Double spends are not possible with confirmed transactions and your wallet/service should reflect that over time. It is possible to have two competing transactions, but only one can be confirmed.

Oh yeah, I came accross this, but I don't understand the exact technical details

https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2015-07-04-spv-mining

Thanks,
6271  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: One way functions on: July 08, 2015, 09:00:59 AM
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Well thats a good example but its not a one way function afterall, because although you cant know for sure what was the x, you have the possibilities, in this case only 2, i guess with harder problems this number increases and if from 2 possibilities we jump to millions then its pretty much impossible to know all of them not taking in count how hard it would be to go in reverse, of course in your example is not hard.

Its easier to understand with an easy example. The definition of one way function is just that, its only a function in one direction and there is no reverse function. There might be an algorithm to reverse the operation and it might not be important to get the exact same input either. One might not care whether one gets -2 or 2 as long as its a possible input. Similar with bitcoin mining. Any input that results in the needed hash value is good for the miners, it means they just found a valid block and thus get the blockreward.

The thing is that someone could one day actually break the sha 256 and i know that it could be replaced with something more secure ar the time but what would happen if something like that happens, the attacker would have total control over any wallets?

SHA256 is mostly important for mining and its done twice in order to add a layer of difficulty even if SHA256 should be vulnerable. Its more likely that there are shortcuts found over time than that its just broken (as in: can be reversed) one day. While broken SHA256 would certainly be a big problem for bitcoin it would also be a big problem for many other applications.

In terms of private keys an attacker would need to break not only SHA256, but also elliptic curves and RIPEMD160. The private key can only be calculated from the public key if ECDSA[1] is broken, which again would be a huge problem for many other applications besides bitcoin. But even if ECDSA was broken, you can only get the public key from a bitcoin address if you also break SHA256 and RIPEMD160 as both are needed to reverse the calculations of an address[2]. Keep in mind thought that the public key is known to the blockchain if you spend "from"[3] the address in question. This is why using a new address every time adds a (tiny little) bit of security. SHA256 is also considered to be quantum secure while ECDSA is not.

[1] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Elliptic_Curve_Digital_Signature_Algorithm
[2] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Technical_background_of_version_1_Bitcoin_addresses
[3] bitcoins are not actually spend from addresses, but rather refer to another transaction.
6272  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Medium Priority? (transfer taking long to confirm w/ fee included) on: July 08, 2015, 08:42:17 AM
that's odd, 1400 bytes and 0.0002 should have confirmed np. 

ofc you should always change that 0.0002 into 0.00021, or the 0.0001 into 0.00011, this Changes Your Frown to a Smile

There are plenty TX waiting currently, in fact we have an all time high that tripled the previous high. Some even report that there over 50K TX waiting for confirmation. I would not change my behavior regarding fees just because someone is doing a stress test of the network.

6273  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to sign a message?! on: July 07, 2015, 08:11:49 PM
Why is this not stickied? have you asked the admins to make it a sticky OP?

apparently most topic that gets stickied is about the forum (rules, guide, etc.). tho this thread should really get stickied since a lot of newbies asks about signed message almost everywhere.

No, I have not asked the admins. I dont know, it feels strange to ask for my own thread to get stickied. Maybe create a thread about it in meta and see how others react to this.
6274  Other / Meta / Re: Just curious...why does my activity number stay the same after multiple posts?? on: July 07, 2015, 07:26:23 PM
your activity will increase today you can see it on spreadsheet table https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12saLhlUoqIdairxzuSPu6EYGrt7FN2lOstO1yDjCEbA/edit#gid=1324892580

can you tell mw how to read this table ? it show me your time zone : 3 and there is no any entry at the 3rd row ?

1st row is the activity jump in unix time (number of seconds since 1970.01.01 00:00:00), the second row is the activity jump for your time zone. The time zone offset from GMT can be set at the top of the table. The 3rd row is not used. So, last jump was 2015.07.07 14:53:20 (GMT+3) and the next will be 2015.07.21 15:00:00
6275  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: One way functions on: July 07, 2015, 07:16:41 PM
I googled a nice explanation about one way functions for you and I ended up enjoying the read  Cheesy
This is fairly easy to understand. Remember to read Part2 (and Rainbow Tables link), Part3, and Part4:

http://blog.jgc.org/2013/04/a-non-mathematical-explanation-of-one.html


I saw that one but im looking for a mathematical explanation actually and its use with bitcoins, the sha 256 and that kind of stuff but thanks for your help

Not sure what you are exactly looking for but the simplest "one way" function I can think of is f(x) = x2, which gives you the value you put in mutiplied by itself. Now the question is which number did I put in when you only know the result. E.g.:

I say a result of f(x) = x2 is 4. What was the x? You cant know the answer, because there are two (in |R) possible answers -2 and 2. If it was a game you could guess and would win 50% of the time.

Its a "one way" function because you cant bijective (math. for one-to-one) reverse the calculation, its only a function in one direction, but not in the other direction, its not a function if you reverse the operation. A function is defined such that for each input there is only a single possible output. Two different inputs may return the same output, thats fine, but there may never be more than one possible result for any given input. If you want to reverse f(x) = x2 you get fR(x) = sqrt(x) which gives you the root of the number you put in, but it will return two results the negative and the positive root, thus its usually only defined on |R>0 if its used as a function and only returns positive numbers.

SHA256 is very similar to this, its a function as any given input gives the exact same hash value. But since it is mapping all possible (and thus infinte) values to a small (in mathmatical terms) subspace of 2256 possible results, there must be a collision. There must be infinity values that result in the same SHA256 hash. They are just not humanly possible to find. In this sense SHA256 is a one way function similar to x2 only that you have no way to try all combinations for a given result. If this was a game, you, your family and everyone on earth could guess all day every day until the sun burned out and I still would win.

This is the basis for bitcoin mining. As the hash must be below a certain value and miners cant just reverse SHA256 that value and get a valid block. They have to try many different combinations to find a value that fits.
6276  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UP of the numbers of Bitcoin nodes ? on: July 07, 2015, 06:51:59 PM
Price rising --> Interest rising --> Activity of everbody increasing --> Repeat?

I guess we have officially left the bottom?

I think its due to the recent v2, v3 block disaster that showed more people how important or beneficial it is to have a full node. A cheap VPS that can handle bitcoin core does not cost much and its not much work either (once its set up).

True, but we cant go on like that forever. I think on a mainstream scenario, maybe 20% of people only will be enthusiasts running nodes, the rest will be the average joes using blockchain.info online based type of wallets, spv based wallets like electrum etc.. so the geniuses of coding better start thinking about this so we never go under a block split problem when we have millions of users out there, it would be a real catastrophe.

I think 20% is too high, it will probably less. Think about the number of people running a webserver vs. the number of people accessing a webserver. Maybe if the O(1) propagation with reverse bloom filters and pruning work the number of nodes will go up again, on the other hand they might not be considered full nodes any more, because they no longer hold a full copy of the blockchain.
6277  Other / Meta / Re: Are Hero accounts worthless? on: July 07, 2015, 06:47:40 PM
I've seen some discussions of users selling or buying bitcointalk accounts. Another day I saw a discussion between two hero members praising each other and saying that you should really use the other one's (paid) services. Because of the trading of accounts, I don't trust the status of any account anymore.

Good.

Hero (or any other rank) only means: I spend a lot of time here and I post a lot, well or I bought the account from someone who did. That should be no ground for trust. Look into someone if you want to trust them.
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6279  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are we stress testing again? on: July 06, 2015, 09:17:22 PM
So the solution is more node's or miners?

Bigger blocks. More miners will not make finding blocks faster as difficulty adjusts and more nodes will do nothing at all to reduce the number of unconfirmed transactions, they will just help relay them (and blocks).

Bummer.  Why are they testing again, didn't they prove their point the first time around?  Maybe it is a different entity this time, but the timing is horrible.  With the Greece thing BTC is getting some nice press, and this is the worst time to clog up the system because new adopters won't understand that it isn't business as usual.  So the experiment proved pretty much what it intended to prove:  if you muck up the network, then it gets mucked up!

IIRC both tests failed.
6280  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UP of the numbers of Bitcoin nodes ? on: July 06, 2015, 08:45:59 PM
Price rising --> Interest rising --> Activity of everbody increasing --> Repeat?

I guess we have officially left the bottom?

I think its due to the recent v2, v3 block disaster that showed more people how important or beneficial it is to have a full node. A cheap VPS that can handle bitcoin core does not cost much and its not much work either (once its set up).
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