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6261  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [SHARE] Perkembangan Harga Koin IEO Binance on: October 21, 2019, 11:19:26 PM
Setuju gan, IEO di binance memang banyak orang yang merekomendasikannya.

Yup, tentu jauh lebih terpercaya dibanding dengan IEO pada exchanger semacam Latoken kan?  Cheesy
Tapi ya tentu tidak serta merta disimpulkan semua IEO pada exchanger Binance PASTI bagus.
Tetap lakukan prosedur SOP standar riset untuk koin-koin baru, apalagi koin-koin tersebut bukan dibacked-up oleh perusahaan yang sudah mapan.

Drop nya harga koin selepas listing adalah hal yang biasa menurut saya. Harga dengan jelas ditentukan oleh permintaan pedagang di exchange.

Memang seperti itu keadaannya sekarang dan jika agan perhatikan setelah IEO hampir sebagian besar harga koin turun [skala keseluruhan, tidak berpatokan hanya pada Binance].
Lebih tepatnya yang menentukan up-down nya harga tersebut, sebutannya adalah "market maker". [seperti yang Om Joni jelaskan di atas]
Mereka yang umumnya ngepump atau ngedump harga token-token IEO.

Apakah kita berhak memfonis bahwa ex.koin ICO dan IEO yang drop selepas listing dan diperdagangkan sebagai indikator kegagalan proyek untuk berkembang ?

Saya pikir kita tidak bisa menjudge suatu proyek gagal hanya karena harga koin yang drop pasca IEO. Coba cek dulu faktor-faktor yang mempengaruhi harga koin tersebut turun, bisa jadi itu dampak dari penurunan harga di market secara global atau ada yang sengaja ngedump harga.
Kan agan sudah bilang di atas, kalo penurunan harga itu biasa terjadi. Sebab harga koin crypto memang bersifat volatilitas atau tidak stabil. Disamping itu harga suatu koin juga beriringan dengan pengembangan produk MVP dari proyek tersebut. Dan tim jelas butuh waktu untuk melakukan pengembangan tersebut. IMO
6262  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [SHARE] Perkembangan Harga Koin IEO Binance on: October 20, 2019, 11:29:38 PM
Binance, dapat dikatakan tempat yang paling recommended kalo mau invest di IEO. Wajar saja sebenarnya, statusnya kan adalah exchange nomor 1 di dunia. Saya yakin pihak Binance tidak akan mau mengadakan IEO dari proyek sembarangan atau potential shit-coins, sebab bisa saja merusak reputasi exchange tersebut. Kalo dari 9 koin tersebut, ada 4 koin yang lagi drop harganya saat ini, saya kira itu bukan berarti kalo koin tersebut gagal berkembang atau kurang diminati. Saat ini pump-dump biasa terjadi, atau mungkin saja kena imbas dari turunnya harga BTC. 
6263  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Shitcoin Lebih real dari coin ICO/IEO ? on: October 20, 2019, 11:06:16 PM
Karena makin banyak yang mulai paham karakteristik shit-coin, tentu fraudster putar otak dan buat solusi gimana caranya orang-orang terkesan ketika melihat progress sebuah shit-coin. Tim anonymous, partnership top company, dan target di luar nalar adalah tipuan klasik sebenarnya. Yang agak berbeda yaitu trik sudah listing di exchange tertentu. Tapi saya yakin, pasti exchange nya bukan yang top global ya. Bisa jadi exchange kecil atau exchange baru yang fee listingnya gratis atau yang bisa diajak kong-kalikong (kerjasama). Makanya banyak investor yang hanya tertarik invest di koin-koin top saja saat ini. Sebab koin-koin baru apalagi yang listing di exchange gak terpercaya, rawan penipuan.  

Terkait dengan koin : Shitcoin di atas. Saya yakin itu hanya buat bercandaan atau main-main saja. Tidak ada hal yang bisa membuat seorang investor tertarik dengan koin tersebut. Jelas dia sebutkan klo itu "shitcoin", tidak ada inovasi, tidak ada kepentingan, dan dibuat AKA Satoshi. Jelas itu unsur-unsur dari sebuah humor. Mungkin OP thread tersebut membuat humor tersebut untuk tujuan meringankan pikiran disaat bearish atau menyindir banyaknya proyek shitcoin saat ini.  Grin
6264  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How can people use facebook libra coin? on: October 19, 2019, 10:51:56 PM
I think it is not the right time to discuss the use of Libra coin since there is a rumor saying that Libra coin won't be released. It is better to discuss this once Facebook announces to launch Libra coin in the near future. In my view, we are better to discuss "how possible Libra coin to launch". It should be more interesting and suited to the current issue.   
6265  Local / Marketplace (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [LOG]Reputasi on: October 19, 2019, 01:52:04 AM
@pandukelana2712 Tolong di update pada spreadsheet untuk akun feryjhie
Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=882

Sangat disayangkan seorang Hero member kena red-trust hanya karena 0.006BTC.
Padahal dia sangat mampu bayar kalo keterima di kampanye sigcamp paid in BTC hanya dalam 2 minggu.
6266  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: apakah IEO/token launchpad cukup menguntungkan dan layak untuk kita ikuti? on: October 19, 2019, 12:55:56 AM
tidak semua proyek IEO layak kita ikuti, saya pernah mengikuti salah satu IEO yang di adakan di Latoken, seiring berjalannya waktu harga koin tersebut terus terus turun dan sekarang menghilang.

Rata-rata memang seperti itu grafik harga koin-koin baru, setelah IEO terus turun hingga delisting. Apalagi IEO nya yang diadakan di exchanger-exchanger kecil, baru, atau yang reputasinya masih dipertanyakan seperti Latoken. Makanya disarankan hanya memilih IEO yang diadakan pada exchanger terpercaya. Itupun masih butuh riset lanjutan, sebab exchanger yang mewadahi IEO tersebut tidak selamanya mencerminkan kualitas proyek/koin IEO tersebut.
6267  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to protect your crypto before death? on: October 18, 2019, 11:34:56 PM
I have seen some platforms to handle the inheritance of crypto assets. You can use them to secure your crypto assets. Or you can try to follow some tips based on many articles/books, just googling and choose the best one. The point is how you can note your asset's data and let someone you trust to know it.


Example of articles/books related to the inheritance of crypto assets :
1. https://smartoptions.io/crypto-inheritance/
2. https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/crypto-asset-inheritance-plans-how-to-protect-your-bitcoin-before-you-die/
3. https://www.amazon.com/Cryptoasset-Inheritance-Planning-Simple-Owners/dp/1947910116
6268  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin coins are losing popularity? on: October 18, 2019, 11:20:26 PM
~snip~ But, nowadays, it seems that Bitcoin is losing its popularity. Because, not receiving validity in low income countries.

Sorry, I don't think so. The decline in Bitcoin prices cannot be attributed to its popularity. We know that most of the reasons for current declines are caused by whales or big traders. They are likely to manipulate prices on the market. The issues of rejection from various countries have already appeared from the beginning, it was already happening for many years. So, I don't think it contributes big impact on Bitcoin's popularity.  
6269  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Have you ever been stolen or lost your BTC? on: October 17, 2019, 11:11:01 PM
No, I never lost my Bitcoin. I rarely store my Bitcoin on an exchange's wallet. I keep it on Segwit wallet if I have no intention to trade it. We must know that there is no exchange with 100% secure to save our assets. So, don't take risks by keeping our Bitcoin on exchanges for a long time. Just send them there when we want to trade only.
6270  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: To bounty hunters & investors on: October 17, 2019, 11:05:27 PM
I think that even though IEO is in binance, analysis must still be done, ~snip~

Yes, analysis or research is a must. It should be a poor decision to join a project without analysis. Even if it is listed on Binance, it doesn't mean that the project has high quality and trusted to join for a long time. As far as I know, an exchange like Binance only facilitates and focuses on token/coin sale only. The rest, must be done by investors.

I agree with the advise to bounty hunters, it's crystal clear that even when you do proper research before promoting a project, you might end up regretting due to no payment or failed project.

Correct. And how about a bounty hunter joining/promoting a project without proper research? The answer is almost 100% to get no payments.
6271  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as Safe Haven? on: October 16, 2019, 11:52:40 PM
If Bitcoin is supposed to be a safe haven, why is BTC price keeps going down, down, and down while the world is on fire. ~snip~

How do you determine "safe"? Stable price? or the price is rising every time?
You must know that the Bitcoin price is volatile since no institution controls how much the price should be.
While If you need coins with a stable price, then you must choose stable coins like USDT, not BTC.

Remember that the decline creates an opportunity for everybody to get cheap assets. Then, it will make some gaps, when the price rises someday.
So, why you are afraid of the drop in price? It should increase again someday. shouldn't it?
6272  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will You Trust a Project Announce BY A Legendary Member on: October 16, 2019, 11:35:39 PM
There were already some examples of legendary members spreading out scam projects. Then, they finally got red-trust and be warned seriously.
I think it is a perfect description to not trust on legendary members blindly. So, look at the reputation history of every account announcing the projects whether it is a legendary, hero, or other lower ranks.   
6273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: short term or long term investing on: October 16, 2019, 11:00:46 PM
Short term investment contains much more risks and is very likely to fail on such a market.

I think both short and long term investment basically have the same level of risks. I don't think the long term to have lower risks since it probably to get no results once the holding coins be dead coins. The key points are how you choose the coins/tokens for your investment and what strategy you will apply. So, the level of risk is not based on short or long term investment only.

Invest in the most proven altcoins and Bitcoin to reduce the risks of getting scammed by new coins.

Yes, I support your idea to choose Bitcoin and proven altcoins since they are the most recommended options for investments.
Nowadays, most new coins just ended with severe dumps and lost of their values once listing on exchanges.
6274  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Old good airdrops on: October 15, 2019, 11:59:33 PM
Most of the airdrops nowadays are just a waste of time,unlike before, ~snip~

Yes, almost all airdrops are just shit-tokens/coins. It makes me never think to join airdrops anymore. For me, airdrops season has been already over. I suggest to not joining airdrops if they just give you new coins/tokens. Even if they are not scams, they just result in pennies. So, I assume it is just wasting time to do. However, if they offer top coins as the rewards, you can consider joining. But do research before joining!! Ensure that you can get a proper amount of money.
6275  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN] GOLD - Stablecoin Pertama yang Diikat Pada Emas 100% on: October 15, 2019, 05:30:34 AM
Wallet siapa gan?. wallet pribadi ente?, artinya ada yang akses private key sampeyan.
Wallet saya gan.  Smiley
Sepertinya bukan indikasi "dihack" sebab address wallet tujuan dari token Gold yang out : 0x0000000........

Itu adalah daily fee, bagian dari annual fee yang totalnya sekitar 1% dari seluruh holding agan per tahunnya. Udah pernah dijelasin sama si GOLD_Official di thread ANN-nya, dan ada juga penjelasannya di websitenya (https://gold.storage/en/features). Kalau agan gak mau kena fee, maka jumlah Gold token yang ada di dompet agan harus lebih kecil dari 0.1 Gold iirc.
Oke, paham Om. Thanks untuk penjelasannya..  Smiley
6276  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN] GOLD - Stablecoin Pertama yang Diikat Pada Emas 100% on: October 15, 2019, 12:39:33 AM


Barusan saya cek diwallet, beberapa transaksi 0.001 GOLD out tiba-tiba.  
Selama 6 hari berturut-turut out 0.001 GOLD /harinya.
Total : sudah 0.006 GOLD out.
Ada yang mengalami kasus seperti ini juga?
Monggo mungkin ada yang bisa menjelaskan..
Suwun..
6277  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Ethereum on: October 14, 2019, 11:12:04 PM
saya nilai mungkin randegibran percaya dengan ada nya trend di akhir tahun di mana harga altcoin naik pada masa itu

Apakah "percaya pada trend" bisa dijadikan tolak ukur menentukan rate ETH akan mencapai nilai tertentu?
Agan randegibran jelas menyebutkan nilai tertentu [5 jta per eth], bagi saya harusnya angka ini diperoleh dari suatu metode perhitungan tertentu. Beda halnya dengan hanya menyebutkan "akan naik", kalo yang ini memang bisa jadi itu hanya respon pure seseorang terhadap trend market secara umum saja.
6278  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Dinar, Dirham to BITCOIN on: October 14, 2019, 12:52:39 AM
Dinar and dirham are a bit different from Bitcoin. Let's see some different things below.
1. Dinar and dirham are recognized by all countries in the world, while there are many countries still not recognizing Bitcoin.
2. Dinar and dirham have been proven to have stable prices, while Bitcoin's price is volatile or unstable.
3. Dinar and dirham are backed up by an institution, while Bitcoin is not backed up by any institutions.

We cannot conclude that Bitcoin is a digital gold based on some people's opinions. It should get a legitimation from many parties.
However, I don't say Bitcoin cannot be a digital gold but I think it is too early to equalize Bitcoin and Gold.
6279  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Ethereum on: October 13, 2019, 02:02:48 AM
Kalau prediksinya begini kita semua bisa jadi kaya raya gan tinggal ikuti aja kebiasan harga di tanggal, bulan tertentu lalu ngutang modal ke bank, betul gak ?

Tapi harus diingat bahwa itu hanya sekedar prediksi. Yang namanya prediksi tidak ada jaminan akan benar-benar terjadi atau tidak.
Ngutang modal boleh saja dan menjadi hak setiap orang, namun jangan sampai hanya berdasarkan ikut-ikutan atau berani-beranian saja.
Ingat! investasi digital punya resiko tinggi, maka butuh perhitungan dan riset mendalam sebelum memutuskan ngeluarin modal jor-joran.

~snip~ bukan hanya pinjam dibank saja, kita juga bisa jual rumah dan semua aset kita lalu invest saja semuanya ke ETH, toh nanti kan jadi 2x lipat di akhir tahun.

Kalo bisa sih jangan pake modal dari kebutuhan pokok seperti jual rumah, terkecuali punya banyak rumah.
Takutnya sudah jual rumah, malah market bearish lama. Padahal target buat profit dalam jangka waktu pendek.
Baiknya pake modal dari dana lebih saja. Sekalipun apes belum bisa sell dalam jangka waktu dekat, kan bisa dihold untuk long term.
6280  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC To 100K$ by 2025 on: October 12, 2019, 11:59:23 PM
My research show BTC can hit 100K$ by 2025,

100K$ by 2025? Actually it is interesting, can you show us how you can predict it?
For me, the future price of Bitcoin will be still a mystery, so personally I don't dare about telling a specific number for the price.
There were already many people like Jhon McAfee to predict BTC future price with a surprising number. So, I suggest you not following him.  Grin
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