aren't sites like blockchain or instawallet secure aswell?
That's exactly the question. How much do you trust them? Even if they're "smashing chaps", that doesn't preclude them from making a mistake. Of course, you may make a mistake too so how much do you trust yourself. The security ultimately resides in access to the private key. If only you have access to it, that's about as secure as it's possible to get. |
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You can't really invest in bitcoins since bitcoins don't generate bitcoins. You can speculate and you can park funds.
You could be investing in bitcoin if the way you put money in helps to grow the bitcoin economy or make bitcoin better. True. |
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You can't really invest in bitcoins since bitcoins don't generate bitcoins. You can speculate and you can park funds.
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If you knew anything about the nervous system like I do you'd know where, in martial arts you get taught where the most vital points of a body are so you can avoid killing them by accident, as for guns well, of course the person is going to bleed to death anyway if you just leave them there, but you can't be that much of an asshole you'd just leave them to die right?
If they attacked me in the first place with intent to rob or kill, then yeah, I'd be pretty guilt-free letting them die. It depends. If I lived somewhere that didn't have strong recognition of self defense, I might be tempted to finish the job, dispose of the body and pretend nothing had happened. |
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What do you do when theres a massive boulder blocking the road ? You drive around it.
Dynamite?  |
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the hell is a 'gary man' (a city named Gary)
anyway...we dont ever hear on the news:
"Man shot in altercation, family happy because man wasn't a good person"
I've heard variation on it to be honest. "We always knew it would be something like this..." |
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Just for the record, I'll give up that American's health system does have very big problems. I'll even agree that a single-payer system would likely be more effective and efficient than what we have now (especially with what Obama has done to it). I just don't agree that that's the best way to go and believe that a truly free market system would provide a better solution.
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If you knew anything about the nervous system like I do you'd know where, in martial arts you get taught where the most vital points of a body are so you can avoid killing them by accident, as for guns well, of course the person is going to bleed to death anyway if you just leave them there, but you can't be that much of an asshole you'd just leave them to die right?
Having self-defense laws that make sense would mean you wouldn't have to waste as much money on a police and military while providing a lot of clarity for the people who are kept so it would drastically reduce the amount of money involved in law.
Did you attack this person? Yes? Then you're going to jail, it's that simple.
The whole "proportional force" thing is a crock anyway. If you fear for your life, you shoot* to stop. The logic follows from there. *(In England, you wave a toilet brush or pull a scary face and hope the attacker has a heart attack) |
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Fascinating. In my country private schools will get almost the same amount from the government per pupil as public schools, provided they keep their fees at a reasonable level and comply with certain quality standards. Same with private hospitals, btw. They will get the same amount per patient as it would cost to heal them in a public hospital. There is real competition between the private and public sectors in areas where the population is dense enough, for specialized services like heart surgery, and for boarding schools. If the private sector can provide a better service at a lower cost, the private sector will win. For some reason the private alternatives almost always cost more. I.e. the sum of user payment and public refund is higher than the cost of the same in the public sector.
Subsidies tend to push the price up. This can be easily seen in the US higher education system but also in things like digital converter boxes which the government subsidized by $40 and what should have been a $20 box was being sold for $60. |
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Now I know your going to disagree with number 5, but rather than focusing in on that, read everything else I have said. I agree with a lot of what yourself and Richy are saying.
And once I agreed with a lot of what you're saying too. So there's hope for you yet  Here's an important thing to consider when it comes to taxes and "good government"  The sentiment always seems to be "Everything will be OK if we can just get the right people in charge *this time*". There are no "right people" |
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How on earth do you manage all those quotes? Fair play.
ctrl-c, ctrl-v In my country, unless you are being an idiot, your not going to get beaten by the police when being taken away for tax avoidance, that just simply isn't going to happen unless you decide to get all aggro. Which isn't going to happen because I know why they're taking me away, tax avoidance, im breaking the law, I have been caught, I am going to jail, why add a beating into the equation?
Again you like to sensationalise to try and get your point across, a bit like fox news I might add.
I pay my taxes too. But it's all backed by threat of force. Just because the rapist doesn't actually have to stab you, doesn't make it not rape.
As for keeping what you have, no problem. But is it the tax which is the problem? or your life style? Ever stop to think about the amount of shit you consume? personally? or as a house hold? Do you ever think where this stuff comes from? and ends up? Do you think this stuff just magically appears and comes from a never ending supply of stuff? Just food for thought, back on topic; if your taxes were not being wasted away but infact invested into your country, be it health care, welfare, better roads, state owned energy etc do you not think that could be of no possible benefit?Do you like seeing homeless people?
I have a modest life style. After 20 years out in the world, I'm just starting to get ahead and the hardships that taxes impose on the hardworking are very palpable to me. They put a real cramp on what a person can achieve and contribute to "society" quite apart from the whole force thing. They are taken from the productive and given in somewhat equal measures to the rich and connected and the poor and shiftless. A very small proportion ever actually makes it to the needy and deserving. A very small portion. And the worst thing? When times are hard, I can make my car last another year, I can take vacation here instead of there. I can eat chicken and not steak but can I cut back on the taxes I pay on the money I earn? Can I hell.
I know, im talking totally theoretical here, which is what I have been saying all along, the current system is wrong for sure, but claiming that no tax is the answer is, in my opinion, wrong.
And yet you give no justification other than "It's greedy to keep what you have" and "Because I say so".
You then go on to talk about the USA being a charitable nation? You got to be fucking kidding me right? The western world goes and pillages and plunders the rest of the world, takes all the resources, makes huge amounts of money of it, gives a fucking minuscule fraction of it to 'charities' (who for the most part are in-effective money pits where the cash never seems to weigh as much by the time it reaches some poor kid in the 3rd world.) and you have the audacity to sit on the internet chirping about the USA being the most charitable nation on earth???
Are we seeing maybe an inkling of cognitive dissonance here? That plundering army is funded by the taxes you feel are so essential. I believe myrkul was talking about private charity in any case. What the government dishes out to other countries does not truthfully qualify as charity. The charity point I think ive just explained where I stand there, you cool with world starvation I take it? I mean, these charities that all us charitable western folks have set up will save the world oh yea. Who needs taxes, the charities will feed the poor of course! Except as we can see, it doesnt work, does it?
It doesn't really work however it gets there, largely due to corrupt governments in the receiving countries. At least private charities actually have some semblance of interest in seeing the aid gets where it needs to go. Government aid just tends to be a bribe to rich and powerful rulers. Just look at the record. As for the robbery thing, which we have been over once, I told you were I stood, and il take the 8 ball part as a troll? or you really have a memory of a gold fish lol? I guess you thought robin hood was a baddie too?
Current theory is that the real Robin Hood was a thug who took from the rich and... took from the poor too and kept it for himself. |
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I claim your talking horse shit and the only reason you are bothering to spout it is because your greedy, you want more than you have. If you weren't, you'd see the potential benefit of a tax system which helps those who need it. There's this thing called charity and trust funds you know  an invention by evil capitalists Yeah and I can see that there doing a fantastic job at stopping world poverty. They work really well huh, people are just so charitable...........  Yeah, the people get together, raise a bunch of money, send the food and money to the country that has need and then the government there steals the food and money. Live-aid is a prime example. Not that this is a reason not to engage in charity, just another example of governments using force to f*ck things up. |
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I haven't been to school for a number of years, thanks for being condescending though.
My apologies. Blind belief in the righteousness of government is often, but not always, a sign of those who have not yet met the real world.
You don't want to go to court? The police come and find me and take me, or your on the run. I'm not from America so the threat of guns is not really an issue, still, I don't like jail.
Are you sure? You might be surprised. I don't want to make any assumptions on your location. FWIW, I'm not from America either, I just choose to live here. You should try to think more globally, the world isn't just America.
I do. My own home country has shot one person (to death) for carrying a table leg and another (well beyond "to death") for wearing a bulky jacket and having darkish skin in recent memory. Edit: Though let's forget the guns for a second. The issue is the initiation of force, not the method used to do so.
You claim taxes are wrong, because its stealing.
Not stealing, robbery. Though tricks like "PAYE" are perhaps more akin to stealing.
I claim your talking horse shit and the only reason you are bothering to spout it is because your greedy, you want more than you have. If you weren't, you'd see the potential benefit of a tax system which helps those who need it.
I would settle for a tax system that helped those who needed it. I will still argue about the right and wrong of using force to part people from their earned wealth though. |
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Also, I just want to make it clear, again, if it is not already clear enough; I do not think current taxation policies are effective, they are useless, my point is tax is not inherently wrong as you keep claiming it to be.
That is not a point, it's an un-backed assertion. Also, your "greedy" accusation is an ad-hominem and will rightly be disregarded by anyone with a degree of sense (though I do have to confess that accusations of communism will make me chuckle). |
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No, the government does not point a gun at my head if I don't pay taxes. I go to court, then I would go to jail. So it is not like how you are trying to describe it. You are sensationalising what happens to try and steer away from the main point here, which is:
You do not want to pay taxes because you are greedy.
What if I don't want to go to court? What if I don't want to go to jail? Oh, this is pointless. What year of school are you in right now? |
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And the case that I explained for private doctors is precisely the situation which exists for private schools. They are quite expensive,
Though often spend less per child than public schools. You mean, something which operates in the free market has to keep costs low?  Yes. Plus when you say "They are quite expensive", that is only a perception brought about because the costs of public school are invisible to the people who pay for it and diluted to the people who benefit from it. That's not even including the indirect costs, of course. |
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Anyone remember when the US government took twenty billion dollars of taxpayer's money, (obtained by threat of imprisonment), converted it into cash, stuck it on a palette, flew it to Iraq and then lost it? I laughed and laughed  |
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No, I think you're right. I didn't mean a brokerage, I was just thinking that if you had a lot of resources and scaled up what I am doing, then you could probably offer quite small fees that would make exchanges uncompetitive for lots of users.
Quite possibly. One way to work might be rather than have one exchange that deals with many currencies, have a small ring of trusted partners that each deal with one currency/BTC market each. The real benefit of an exchange is that they bring a lot of people together so the buys and sells match up to give a pretty good real-time exchange rate. For low volume/non speculation traders like myself, your service can offer a better deal for sure. |
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And the case that I explained for private doctors is precisely the situation which exists for private schools. They are quite expensive,
Though often spend less per child than public schools. |
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I've got to give Nick Clegg credit though if that's who you meant, the tax break for £10,000 earners was a great idea, the poor should never be taxed heavily if at all, they probably had to fight the neo-conservatives tooth and nail to get it passed.
If you're going to tax, *everyone* should be taxed. We can argue the amounts and flat vs sliding rate but everyone should have some skin in the game. |
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