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6341  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 21, 2014, 06:00:54 PM

Been a while coming. I'm guessing not much will happen. A fine perhaps?

I feel Taibbi is the standout reporting on this stuff: LIBOR, forex, Gold, Energy....

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425

yeah, he's been really great since 2007
6342  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 21, 2014, 04:54:02 PM
https://twitter.com/coindesk/status/491249473319096320

Isle of Man welcomes Bitcoin.
6343  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 21, 2014, 04:10:40 PM
Over and over and over again

http://m.bbc.com/news/business-28405777?ocid=socialflow_twitter
6344  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 10:59:04 PM
"Because anyone with large supplies has to store it at centralized locations, true supply can never be known or verified and therefore is subject to govt manipulation via gold derivatives or GLD. This is a problem gold bugs won't acknowledge. "

I think the problem of manipulation is acknowledged by gold bugs - take a look at any ZH comments thread - but the mainstream analysts (true of any market and not just gold) mainly ignore or deny it because their funding comes from analyzing the market trends and fundamentals, which in this day and age is pure BS. Once the various funds and other investment vehicles roll out in force in the bitcoin sphere, BTC may also suffer from the same fate and I'm sure there is some tweaking going on even now, especially in terms of FUD spread by various vested interests. But for now, BTC still feels like the closest thing we have to a market price primarily set by supply and demand.

yeah, I probably should have said that the gold bugs know it and complain about it all the time but fail to realize that Bitcoin is gold's Black Swan in that it performs all the functions of gold and more.

This whole dynamic interplay btwn the 2 is so fundamental and important to Bitcoins future success which is why I posted this thread in the first place, not to troll like I presented to tvbcof.

Ah, maybe for a little trolling.
6345  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 10:08:41 PM
my last 3 posts, i talk about the "speculative mind" of markets:

http://www.reddit.com/user/cypherdoc2/
6346  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 08:23:32 PM
I would like to know how much gold is in private hands, for different countries. Is this known and published somewhere?


"Published" and "known" are slippery concepts when applied to gold holdings. No-one wants to tell the whole truth, and for good reasons (well, self interested reasons, namely to make any true spot price very difficult to determine)

Ha Carlton, I bet you still got some gold bars back at uncle Phil's house up in the attic or somewhere! Cheesy
But yeah, it'd be interesting to know how the gold is distributed among the different status-groups of investors/companies/crime/states/etc...

I guess we will never know.


isn't that the entire problem?

Nah, I think money can work even if the amount is not known. Same with bitcoins. We will never know how much is saved for the long time (decennia) or how many are lost. As long as the money are sound.


But one money will be more sound than all others, and that is Bitcoin. If anything its supply will only go down whereas with gold you have at least 2% inflation from mining. Plus all the tungsten related counterfeits.

I agree. Bitcoin is the soundest. But gold is also sound, the reason is that the supply is not controlled by governments.


depends on how you look at it.

Because anyone with large supplies has to store it at centralized locations, true supply can never be known or verified and therefore is subject to govt manipulation via gold derivatives or GLD. This is a problem gold bugs won't acknowledge.
6347  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 08:12:47 PM
I would like to know how much gold is in private hands, for different countries. Is this known and published somewhere?


"Published" and "known" are slippery concepts when applied to gold holdings. No-one wants to tell the whole truth, and for good reasons (well, self interested reasons, namely to make any true spot price very difficult to determine)

Ha Carlton, I bet you still got some gold bars back at uncle Phil's house up in the attic or somewhere! Cheesy
But yeah, it'd be interesting to know how the gold is distributed among the different status-groups of investors/companies/crime/states/etc...

I guess we will never know.


isn't that the entire problem?

Nah, I think money can work even if the amount is not known. Same with bitcoins. We will never know how much is saved for the long time (decennia) or how many are lost. As long as the money are sound.


But one money will be more sound than all others, and that is Bitcoin. If anything its supply will only go down whereas with gold you have at least 2% inflation from mining. Plus all the tungsten related counterfeits.
6348  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 07:59:36 PM
I would like to know how much gold is in private hands, for different countries. Is this known and published somewhere?


"Published" and "known" are slippery concepts when applied to gold holdings. No-one wants to tell the whole truth, and for good reasons (well, self interested reasons, namely to make any true spot price very difficult to determine)

Ha Carlton, I bet you still got some gold bars back at uncle Phil's house up in the attic or somewhere! Cheesy
But yeah, it'd be interesting to know how the gold is distributed among the different status-groups of investors/companies/crime/states/etc...

I guess we will never know.


isn't that the entire problem?
6349  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 07:00:59 PM
From

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/liamhalligan/10978178/The-dollars-70-year-dominance-is-coming-to-an-end.html

Within a decade or so, a “reserve currency basket” may emerge, with central banks storing wealth in a mix of dollars, yuan, rupee, reals and roubles, as well as precious metals. Perhaps some kind of synthetic bundle of the world’s leading currencies will be developed, with emphasis placed, after years of western money-printing, on assets backed by commodities and other tangibles.

I also believe central banks may include cyber-currencies (such as bitcoin) in their reserves. If you think that’s mad, consider that mankind has long sought scarcity – be it with shells, stones or metallic elements – to store wealth. Now the money-printing taboo has been broken by yet another generation, it makes sense to use complex computer algorithms to ensure that only a certain amount of a particular currency unit can ever exist.


great find
6350  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 05:35:19 PM
https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/490897753157795841
6351  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 05:20:36 PM
Calls for Bitcoin's imminent death are being sounded again. Little do these ppl appreciate that Bitcoin was designed for this. It's a silver bullet aimed at Wall St and if they resist, NY will be routed around.

http://mobile.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-17/bitcoin-regulations-drafted-in-new-york-will-make-bitcoin-boring
6352  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 10:20:26 AM
Careful guys, we now live in a country where selling "untaxed cigarettes" can get you killed.
You just now noticed?

Every law describes a situation that can get you killed, because the ultimate penalty for violating any law, no matter how trivial, is always death.

well, tbh, I've never seen a police officer murder an innocent citizen in broad daylight by jumping him from behind and choking him to death with 6 other officers all on film.
6353  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 05:51:03 AM
Careful guys, we now live in a country where selling "untaxed cigarettes" can get you killed.

http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/staten-island-man-dies-puts-choke-hold-article-1.1871486?utm_content=buffer8e086&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw
6354  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 05:11:57 AM
“If this whole feeding frenzy looks unseemly, that’s because it is. Lost in the shuffle is a central idea of our judicial system: Punishing individuals deters future crimes. The lesson banksters can draw from all this is, 'Hey, if we screw up or even break the law, we’ll walk and the shareholders will pay.' ”

http://www.moneynews.com/Personal-Finance/bankers-mislead-investors-Justice-Department/2014/07/18/id/583548/
6355  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 12:12:47 AM
Going thru reddit thread now. Looks like he was misquoted. But he still entertained idea of raising 21m hard limit.
6356  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2014, 12:04:44 AM

it's a long talk. Do you hv a time where he says these things? See my post last week here where I was criticizing him a bit. He thinks like Andreas that the blockchain is everything.
6357  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 19, 2014, 07:17:56 PM
From bad to worse

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/19/mh17-armed-rebels-chaos-corpses-ukraine
6358  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 19, 2014, 03:50:45 PM
https://twitter.com/cypherdoc2/status/490513180649865216
6359  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 19, 2014, 01:56:12 PM
Amnesty, or at least a fair trial, would be a good thing:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/19/edward-snowden-case-amnesty?CMP=twt_gu
6360  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 19, 2014, 01:43:48 PM
2 B777 of the same company destroyed for external reasons in a few months is a VERY strange coincidence

There are thousands of facts everyday. By pure chance, some will seem to align in a pattern the same way you will from time to time get the same number 5 times in a row when rolling a die.

if you believe the audio intercepts I posted above, it sounds like an accident.
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