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6361  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why? on: November 01, 2012, 01:11:48 AM
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Psy
6362  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are people scared of taxes? on: November 01, 2012, 01:05:36 AM
Most governments can control their spending just fine.  Japan has more net credit than the USA has net debt.  Your country has many problems, and right now it seems the politicians are stuck in some pissing contest instead of doing anything.  The natural consequence should be a total replacement of Congress, but it seems the piss has created so much fog in the cold political environment that people can't see what is going on.

Just as a FYI, it's not my country. I just choose to live here. My own country has plenty of problems of its own though.
6363  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Proposal: Hardware wallet (Win 3 BTC) on: November 01, 2012, 12:56:22 AM

So how do we protect from cracking the card once it's stolen?


I'm going to say for my project that that's largely out-of-scope and that this allows you to execute physical security. Think of it like a paper wallet in that context.
6364  Economy / Speculation / Re: Downward trend imminent on: October 31, 2012, 09:00:28 PM
The general public probably thinks a fractal is one of them funny pictures where you cross your eyes and see a boat.
6365  Economy / Speculation / Re: Downward trend imminent on: October 31, 2012, 08:22:12 PM

Still, 10% of USD value lost in two weeks is a considerable amount, depending on the scale of your investment, of course.


Psht. I had the pound do that on me a couple of years back. It still hasn't recovered though. I also had property in the UK so double busted Sad

Edit: My mistake, it was 20%. Frikkin' Gordon Brown...
6366  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Mt. Gox Too Risky for Chase? on: October 31, 2012, 07:31:28 PM
If there's one thing I can't stand, it's when a bank starts restricting what I can do with my funds. I nearly had an aneurism on the phone one day trying to sort out an international money transfer. I can understand them putting a temporary halt on a potentially questionable transaction but once identity and willful intent have been established, get your damn nose out of my business.

I'd be looking for a different bank.
6367  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Buy/Sell BTC for GBP Bank transfer. MtGox last 2% fee on: October 31, 2012, 07:28:04 PM
Liberty Payout, I have sent you a PM.

Richy_T

It was partly MtGox's problems that lead me to set this up. I was also thinking that a brokerage model might work well for bitcoin. If you buy and sell shares, you don't actually do the trade with the exchange, you go via a broker and only pay a small fee. As a bitcoin operation, if you don't hold customer money you can probably get around a lot of the issues the exchanges have faced, without necessarily having to charge huge fees.

I think that even in countries with a decent exchange, a broker-style offering could still work well for lots of customers.

[edit] I mean broker in the sense of a middle man between customers and an exchange. Obviously real stock brokers hold customer funds, so they still have the regulatory issues.[/edit]

I think that would be tricky as one of the things an exchange like mtgox has going for it is typically trust. They are effectively escrow for the exchange. If you are just brokering, I think you'll end up with a lot of angry customers. I may be mistaken though.
6368  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Buy/Sell BTC for GBP Bank transfer. MtGox last 2% fee on: October 31, 2012, 04:34:28 PM
I may have been a bit over-optimistic in predicting how smoothly my cunning plan would work in the real world.  Wink
It is early days though and I still think I can make it work with this pricing, it will just take a bit more learning on the job.

You have a pretty good opportunity with mtgox's Barclay's account down. I was looking to trade on there but fees would have eaten things up quickly. I'll be interested to see how things go for you. I may even try a bit of local trading here. Bitcoin might play well with certain types of people here.
6369  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are people scared of taxes? on: October 31, 2012, 03:38:58 PM
Free?  Are you a commie as well?

That gets funnier every time you do it.

Free was, perhaps, the wrong word. Unmetered would be a better one. Just pay for service and use what you like.


  Do you have any idea that those would cost to launch those to orbit compared with installing solar arrays on the ground?  And if you want it to your house, you must say good bye to all other satellite communications, because the spectrum passing through to earth is very small, and multiple kW of power will mask all the low powered signals from communication and navigation satellites.

Now that private exploitation of space is starting to become a reality, it's starting to look affordable. If you thing ground-based solar arrays have anything on space-based ones, you have to be kidding me. Zero gravity and no atmosphere? Of course, you have to get these things out of the gravity well but there's a handy big white ball in the sky with 1/6th of the gravity and plentiful quantities of the raw material for solar. The government got bored of that one in the early 70s of course.


What!?  Are private companies forbidden access to space in your fscked up country?

It has been very hard for development of space exploration to occur due to the government, yes. I have no doubt it would be the same in your country if it was a place worth launching from.

Your nuclear pile is straight below you.  Drill far enough down, and the power is there.  It doesn't provide electricity directly (nuclear piles don't), but heat you can use to generate electricity.  It isn't regulated, just expensive.  Probably much less expensive than a safe nuclear reactor for home use.

I counter your probably with a "probably not"


This is because your government doesn't do enough for fixing the monopolies.  If e.g. the government provided free healthcare for all, you could do with half of your healthcare spendings.  That's almost 9% of your GDP in savings.  If you did it ten years ago, the USA wouldn't have any national debt now, and people and companies wouldn't have to pay insurance money for health either.  If you do it right now, the number will start decreasing.

It is because the government spends with no consequences. The only way to prevent it is to rein in government. When you can just write another check, why not? (until the day you can't).
6370  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Exchange help for selling BTC in UK on: October 31, 2012, 02:58:17 PM
Conclusion = film2240 and Bit2Brit is the same guy. Don't fall for his scam. Many others could be involved, judging by the amount of
sudden and surely not spotaneous increase in UK-related "I want to buy Bitcoins" crap posts. Be warned, and deal with known people!

Bear in mind that the UK is pretty tech savvy and the mtgox Barclays bank account got closed down making it expensive to buy BTC through them. I wouldn't mind being able to buy some more BTC with GBP myself but I believe I have found a good trader and will wait for him to get some more.
6371  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are people scared of taxes? on: October 31, 2012, 02:53:31 PM
This is because your government doesn't do enough for fixing the monopolies. 
"Your monopoly on force needs to fix a 'monopoly' by creating a monopoly."

huh?

See, this is why I demanded payment to deal with your idiocy.

Don't you know, the answer to broken government is *more* government. Just we'll get it right, this time
6372  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is this the beginning of the end to PayPal? on: October 31, 2012, 05:03:50 AM
Every time I post a cash only item on craigslist, I get at least 3 emails from paypal scammers trying to do buy it. I've had it with them.
maybe because cash only means they have to live nearby to hand you the cash. id suggest. "local meet only bring cash in hand"

They'll still send you the scam emails. Heck, likely they don't know enough English to even read the post you made more than what's needed to send the boilerplate scam response anyway.

Personally, I've never had any problems with Paypal, nor ebay and the couple of issues I've had with sellers have been resolved quickly and to my satisfaction. I am aware of the horror stories though and am definitely not happy with the way Paypal has taken things (once upon a time, you didn't have to have an account to buy things)
6373  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are people scared of taxes? on: October 31, 2012, 04:27:02 AM

+1. Where's my solar satellite beaming free power directly to my house? (Oh, that's right, the government has been monopolizing space exploration for the past 2/3 century too). Where's my nuclear pile providing cheap, unmetered electricity?

Hey, here's an idea. Maybe if the government wasn't subsidizing the monopoly electric companies by using eminent domain to force right-of-way across people's land, perhaps all that solar and wind power the socialists love so much might actually be economically viable. And might therefore have been researched enough to be even cheaper than current electrical costs. Perhaps we'd be energy independent and not subsidizing terrorist attacks against our fellow countrymen.

Nah, let's just keep the monopolies in place and pump money into trying to fix the problems they cause. What could possibly go wrong?
6374  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are people scared of taxes? on: October 31, 2012, 04:08:18 AM
Wordplay.  The frequency spectrum is a natural limited resource.  It is limited by the laws of physics, not by FCC or anyone else.  For it to be possible to use the frequency spectrum efficiently, one need exclusive use at the time it is used in the covered area.  Non-exclusive use will reduce the quality of the transmission, and no known technology will help that.  You can only work around the problem to a degree by sending more information (adding redundancy) by using more of the frequency spectrum.  The user of the spectrum monopolizes it, no matter how much or little the regulating body regulates.


A huge amount of the spectrum is effectively wasted because it is reserved for broadcast technologies when much better technologies for the use case exist. Once locked in, government control has been subverted to special interests.

But that's besides the point, it's not a natural monopoly. Unless you're positing some transmitter that transmits on all frequencies at enough power to drown out anything and somehow from every location also (cause it would have to mask directional transmission too). And it would have to do this by default since if it were designed to do so, well, there's that artificial monopoly again.


John Stuart Mill uses the same definition, more or less.


Let's look at what actually is rather than relying on definitions which advance an agenda. "Cuts" and "progressive" won't play well around me either.



Question: Is light a natural monopoly?
6375  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are people scared of taxes? on: October 31, 2012, 12:21:34 AM
Neither of these are really examples of natural monopolies. There is nothing but government regulation preventing competition in the first and in the second, it is perhaps arguable that a regulatory body is advantageous (though it is also arguable that they have stifled many great advancements from occuring) but monopoly it ain't.
Yes, they are due to the laws of physics.  There can be only one electric power supplier to every house.  High power cables/wires can't cross each other without interference.  For allowing more than one utility company access to every house, the companies must cooperate to allow for crossings without interfering with the service of the other company.  Why would a company which enjoy a monopoly allow this?  It is not likely, and would be terribly inefficient compared to one cable/line.

Nope. And efficiency or lack thereof does not imply a "natural" monopoly.


Similar for radio frequencies.  If I use the navaid frequencies for the closest airport for my own wlan, the airport would have to close for all IFR operations.  The airport needs to have a monopoly on using those frequencies for the navaids to work.


Right. So the government comes in and creates an *artificial* monopoly with laws and FCCs and whatnot.

Though it is somewhat circular. Arguably technology would improve to adapt. You know we got spread spectrum technology because the goverment's monopoly on force ran up against another government's monopoly on force, right?

Both monopolies are necessary by laws of physics, not artificial causes like government regulations.  (Thomas Robert Malthus' definition of a natural monopoly, I know there are many.)

I guess picking a definition so you can blame nature in support of your agenda is the way to go. What next? "The devil made me do it"?
6376  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are people scared of taxes? on: October 30, 2012, 08:08:27 PM
And, yes, Copyright goes right out the window, along with the other monopolies.
How about natural monopolies?  Will they be regulated, or do you just deny their existence for simplicity.

E.g. in my country free competition is secured in the power market because electricity utility companies can't discriminate against producers.  I, as a consumer, can buy my electricity from whatever company I want to, and the utility company has to transport the power to me.  This ensures competition in the power market.  Before I had to buy electricity for the company which deliver the power, which was very much more expensive due to their natural monopoly.

Another example: Radio frequencies is a very limited resource.  I can easily make a new powerful long range high bandwidth wifi network for myself and my family, and at the same time make FM radio and VHF and UHF TV, all air navigation systems and all other medium to long range radio communication unusable in the area.  Should there be any regulation of the usage of this very limited common resource, or would that be immoral in your opinion?

Neither of these are really examples of natural monopolies. There is nothing but government regulation preventing competition in the first and in the second, it is perhaps arguable that a regulatory body is advantageous (though it is also arguable that they have stifled many great advancements from occuring) but monopoly it ain't.
6377  Economy / Economics / Re: Has the 'Bitcoin Experiment' changed your political or economic views at all? on: October 30, 2012, 04:24:53 PM
Wuts with Psy's sudden second popularity surge? It's bigger than in summer! (No, I don't mean our local pro-Ponzi inquisitor, unless he's a Korean rapper, which would be awkward but useful in itself).


Not sure. I'd never even heard of him/the song until a couple of weeks ago on that SNL sketch. Maybe it's that.


To return to the topic, I'd already started turning libertarian back in 2001. Since then, I've paid a bit more attention to the political process and, quite frankly, I find it astounding what they are getting away with and how badly things are actually going if you pay attention to what's going on. We're being robbed blind and only quite incredible increases in productivity have allowed it to be sustained for so long. I'd heard of bitcoin in the background in a few places and hadn't really paid attention but when I actually looked into it recently, it seemed clear to me that it's going to have a pretty major impact in the near-to-mid future, one way or another.
6378  Economy / Economics / Re: When I hear "people should spend all of their money" instead of saving... on: October 30, 2012, 04:22:17 PM
buy bitcoins or gold. ie. spending them on a store of value

Neither of those 2 have a real value. You can't eat them, you can't drink them. Without food and drink, people die. Something that
does not solve existential problems on it's own is worthless.
Just don't be stupid to count on someone being fair and giving you
bread and water for your (physical) Bitcoins or gold = if situation goes that bad, you'll most likely be robbed or even killed. If you
doubt that, you just show how little real life experiences you have, especially those coming from troubled times. I not only have
first-hand experience with very troubled times (check War in Vukovar 1991.), but I know human history. You seem to lack all of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FykBW3zuZg8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydgMnQYtF6U

I don't go for the "intrinsic value of gold" either *but* there's no doubting that it would still have some trade value (even greatly reduced) should the worst happen. If nothing else, *someone* will want an ostentatious display of their wealth.
6379  Economy / Economics / Re: Defaltionary Spiral -- Is there a way to make this workout? (hoarding bitcoins) on: October 30, 2012, 04:14:00 PM
Why is it fair to give it to the government to give the banks?

Why is it fair to give it to the rich? Is there really any difference? (Besides the obvious that you and your bitcoin buddies stand to make millions.)

Quote
The only solution to this problem is a currency that doesn't inflate.

No, it isn't. You didn't even offer a solution, you offered the exact same problem with a shiny new box.

No one is giving it to anyone. It is the mechanics of the thing.

The government could easily print up a couple of billion and distribute it evenly or give it directly to the poor (not that I would approve of either) instead they reward people for, uh, well, is there any good reason for giving it to the banks?

At least with deflation, those who benefit most tend to be those who have actually earned their money.
6380  Economy / Economics / Re: Let's compare USD and BTC on: October 30, 2012, 03:50:56 PM
So USD is a liability, but BTC is an asset. USD represents the future value that will be imparted to it, which is uncertain. BTC represents the past value that was put into it, which is certain since it is already past.
No, neither one is an asset.

Both are claims on future production, which may or may not occur, and which may or may not be honored.

The difference is that USD can be arbitrarily diluted and BTC can not.

Yes. You actually own bitcoin. You never really own a dollar.
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