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6381  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is the Trading and Stock Market is the same? on: November 01, 2016, 08:30:20 AM
We all know here in digital world we used altcoins for trading but do we consider that the trading is same as the stockmarket in our real world? Because we can consider that the buying of altcoins using bitcoin is like buying of shares in stock market.

Stock market, As far as I know the stock market is based on the demand of supply in that certain product. So let's connect it to the trading Is the trading is based on the demand and supply or It is based on the Admin who created that altcoin?

And is the trading is a passive income like stock market or no? Because in my experience in trading there are many sh*t coin who just suddenly fell to 1sats each and some are pumping so high. So Is the trading can we consider as a stock market?

Yes i agree with you, altcoins is like stock but moving price of altcoins are not like stock in my experience when trading altcoins, and moving price that same with stocks is bitcoin's price, at least we can use analysis tecnical for making prediction bitcoin's price is like use analysis tecnical on trading stocks and not trading altcoins. But it is just my experience when trading altcoins and bitcoins.


Its totally the same and their difference is the word crypto and stocks but we are doing the same thing upon buying and selling, and also i believe that both traders are doing the same monitoring and waiting the right time to buy and sell,

In addition as i've seen on stock tradings well i can really say that crypto tradings are quitely good source for earnings since the crypto coins flactuates faster rather than stocks that needs economy of the country to rise up before their stocks will up.
6382  Economy / Economics / Re: Paying taxes on forum? on: November 01, 2016, 07:54:38 AM
Does they need to know about that kind of job? Is bitcoin known by your local authorities? Well if not i don't think we really need to pay taxes for our earning bitcoin on our ventures since our profit earnings here is little not where not doing some stable jobs here thats why its very bad if it really implemented by the law and might be a source of corruption money and used for some politics greediness.
6383  Economy / Speculation / Re: If Bitcoin break $700. For how long it will stay above $700? on: November 01, 2016, 07:26:03 AM
I'm not sure. It may as well just stay up there for like 3 months or something and come back down again. It's all unpredictable at this moment to be honest. Really can't predict anything that happens with BTC.


Its truly unpredictable since price for now are blantly growing up and we cannot really say when it would last nor if it still pump but the good thing happen there is we are quitely high earners for now since bitcoins are quitely expensive at price, so i think we can expect for more up since the price satisfactory rate is quitely outstanding, and lets hope also that we can't see some bad price down so the high profits is still up on the top.
6384  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Has anyone heard about Beastminer? on: November 01, 2016, 06:30:08 AM
Obvious scam, downloading software programs,fake admin names combined with passive earnings are red flags.Also as a hero member you should already know that there is not a thing such cpu mining these days, stay away if you want to keep your Bitcoins and your PC safe.

Yeah he must know such kind of bad act and malicious sites since their offer are to good to be true and thats trully a big red flag to see, and surely we can't see some decent cloudmining since all sites offer are scam as discussed by many people here so better lets think advance when new site well come up and lets just declared them as scam eventhough theres no event yet happened, mining business is i can called done since this kind of industry are slowly dying.
6385  Economy / Gambling / Re: Investing in btc casinos on: November 01, 2016, 05:48:25 AM
moneypot allows such investments easy - im hooked there

Moneypot is not doing that great for last few months so it is better to wait and see for some time until they turn the business more profitable for investors otherwise you may lose money slowly.

Well, we ll see, 2 weeks, nothing but loss with Betking. Willing to wait and report back until I get some profit. BTW, my investment s mid sized, not small but I m no whale. At least not while I get these kind of negative results.

I understand it depends on luck but for now it seems players win.

You need to realize that nothing like guarantee winning on gambling or may be on investment. There is always a risk, but if you can outcome the risk I am sure you can achieve that profit. And in investment you sure need some huge bankroll to get good profit too, it is not worth to place some lower bet to make fortune on investment, you will not achieve it

OP is talking about gambling investment but not on gambling itself.

Gambling investments takes some time to give you some profit. You may wait for couple of months to decide whether you to continue with them or not.

I agree with you mate. Investing your bitcoins in casino sites will take some time before you can see your profit and it also depends on how much bitcoin your going to invest and remember that there's always risk on it you may gain some and may lose some btc.

That's why you should always diversify your funds and put in few good sites. If any one or two makes lose others, sites will compensate, and you will reduce your risks. Casino investments are very good to earn higher profits but it comes with some risks and we should take those risks to grow our money.


Thats why its a big mistake for those people who spend their money on unsured small site since surely they cannot get some huge profit for it aswell us they will get high chance to get scam if the site won't get any success beneath on them, thats why it is the best idea and a choice for selecting those well establish since the big site they are the bigger player they can get and also the sureness of profit we can get also when the house when some huge pot.
6386  Economy / Gambling / Re: Cloudbet.com - bitcoin sportsbook and casino | BEST NFL and EPL odds anywhere! on: October 31, 2016, 11:24:15 PM
Still nothing from Cloudbet. It's been over 48 hours since the transaction confirmed. No response other than wrongly closing the support ticket. Shameful.

If they already closed the ticket without your complaint being fixed you need to get explanation from them, or if without that is a big troll and this site should be avoided. If nothing happens on the next day you can start accusation so everyone will be aware.

Actually there are complaints against cloudbet since 2014, their support is worst i have seen in bitcoin gambling industry, they don't have live chat system or telephone service, only email. They work only 5 days, so you have issues on weekend, they will not respond.

Their support isn't that responsive but I don't believe they have scammed anyone ever. If you have been scammed you should definitely consider doing a scam accusation to bring it to everyone's attention.

Their support is really not active since people who got problems are trully getting a hard time to get some answers from them and the better thing he can do is to file a scam accusation against them its the best thing to do really so cloudbet management would do immediate counter action to that problem, but surely once they will know that i think they will do the right thing and surely not intend to scam anybody for now.
6387  Economy / Gambling / Re: Investing in btc casinos on: October 31, 2016, 10:20:21 PM
Look its not always smart to invest in brand new website, especially if they are dice. The admins are new and there are tons of things that can go wrong. The first is the site can get hacked. Second is that there might be some software exploit and a gambler can win 100%. You guys should stick with the long runners because they are reliable at least and you might not make a huge percentage but at least you will earn something.


Yeah surely right with that, how can we trust the new site to invest with while theirs a big trusted site who cames first and trully giving some profits to their investor? And if we invested on new i think its like killing ourselves since we are putting our money on unsafe and unsured situation, thats why for investing on casino's its trully better to go rather on big name on gambling industry so we make sure that we are on safehands and let them roll the rest.
6388  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: HOW MUCH YOU EARN/LOSE FROM TRADING on: October 31, 2016, 12:37:46 PM
for last night, i only earn small amount at least in about 0.001btc by trading VIA, i expected to earn much but unfortunately i have to go to someplace so i can not continue trading. i lost my chance to earn more profit.
In my own view you did not loose anything because the place you attended is also for a purpose and that purpose might have helped you to either earn money or solve one problem or the other. Its not a loss at all.
A profit is a profit regardless of what the amount is, if you can consistently make profit with trading even with small amount, I think it is good to go with another level and if you can provide a better capital then it would be better, just put in mind that you need to take bigger risk in order to make bigger amount of money.


Thats why we should take more extra precaution and do aome right researching before buying some coins, and for that doings surely we can minimize the risk by making ourselves more knowledgable about the coins we wish to trades, thats why we can see big whales since they know the coin they are staking up unto is potential ones and they are trully the highes earners on the trade wars since they can manipulate the marker price of the coin, losses are just trials for us to learn.
6389  Economy / Gambling / Re: Investing in btc casinos on: October 31, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
in regards to betking not being profitable
@Crazyivan-your sample size is too small,it is a game of chance and sometimes house loses over a period of time
that house edge always factors in,but it could take longer than one or even three months
imagine a lucky whale wins 300 btc a pop?
of course profit on your your investment would plummet,it has nothing to do with the site's profitability,just players luck

That make sense. I am currently investing to betking and so far, I have real profits. It should have been long lost if I gamble it there or in any other online gaming casino that accepts bitcoin. It happens though that the house may lose in some time but it will always win in the long run because of the house edge- hence, as long as you keep on investing, you are good to go.

But you can get even more by risk some of your btc and you might have a chance to get huge amount of money. But if you investing, you can't do anything with your money, just depends from house profit and that is only when house get profit, how about if house losing? You need to take so much time just to recover your loss from that investment though. See how big whale nowadays that win so much, you can see the difference between gambling your money and investing it


Actually people who invested on those knows the risk they can get upon investing at them and surely they rarely loss their investment since the house always wins on this kind of games and although the profits we can get from this one is not sured, atleast we can earn a little bit profit from our investment of those sites,

House losing is just rare it is like hitting the thunder on humans on little percentage of people would hit the jackpot and thats why their are so many people still have some gots and more eagear to invest on gambling sites.
6390  Economy / Gambling / Re: I tried my luck again in yobit dice game..But ended to lose on: October 31, 2016, 10:21:18 AM
I don't think yobit dice is fraud but it has larger house edge than most of the sites. I usually don't dice on yobit but when the value of my purchased coins go very low, I try some luck there.

Except for the scam sites, all established dice profits from the house edge. It doesn't matter if a user wins 100 BTC, In total, the site would have a small portion of total wager as profit. Larger the user base larger the profit.

The best you can do to increase the chance of your wining is find the best and fair sites, the sites that has the lowest house edge and a way to verify the fairness. The responses, polls and posts in this forum would help.

You can try slidedice from the https//bubblesbit.com where you can choose the position and difference of outcomes. So, you would have a larger option of customization.

If you want to play on higher house edge why you play on yobit which have scam accusation? I can offer you to play on freebitco.in dice games, they sure have high house edge but I guarantee you that they wont scam away your money. And you have chance to get more money on their lottery games too so you get double benefit


Maybe he used to play and feel comfortable on yobit dice games thats why he is on the scene and keep playing eventhough he eventually losing and losing in every bet he placed but seriously if he would still play and trust that site he can be vain since he's throwing his money for unsured winning situation, thats why if he is dice enthusiast its really advisable for him to go to big dice sites since i think that one are more safer one to play.
6391  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The House always wins. on: October 30, 2016, 12:30:00 PM
The house always wins seems impossible, otherwise we will always lose.
Dude, that's exactly what's happening. The house is always winning and we're always losing. See all the posts of these people, all of us have lost money because of gambling. I haven't seen a gambling site where the majority of people are happy because they can easily make money out of gambling. If that's the case, then the gambling site would just go to bankrupt.

The house is supposed to win so the gambling site will not shut down. And the very proof that gambling sites are doing a good work are the people around us saying that they lost money from gambling.


They are winning since they have house edge and so by that they can make sure that they will not lose their revenue and still continue to operate aswell as to make theirselves more richer,  and also i think the only happy people on gambling is those people who win big or even the jackpot, and the mostly posted on such threads here are just those crying babies who just been lose by their own greeds.
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You really need to do the job as faster as you can since many people would get discourage if the error will take so long, so for people convenience i think you need to hire more work force so the job will easily been done, and taking so long maybe bad to your business since possibly your gamblers will go to another sports betting site and do the bets their since they are the one who is stable for now.
6393  Economy / Speculation / Re: $700 HIT ^^ TARGET 900-1100 on: October 30, 2016, 11:18:11 AM
700$ price mark has been already hitted and its a great news for us since we can see a little possibilities that the bitcoins price would really reach as high at the end of this year, maybe we can hit the 1000$ again if this good faith and rally will continue, and lets just hope that no human intervention will happen that can affec the price to go down.
6394  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Spark Profit on: October 30, 2016, 10:51:34 AM
I've also tested this one before and same with the others i also do find this game too hard to understand for such a person without a pure knowledge about marketing so gaining decent amount their is really not that easy.

you can use Forex tool app on playstore or other app market. It might guide you on what is the best currency/commodity to stake on spark profit, I used that tool when i was new on Spark profit. I earned 500k points using that app. But it is not guarantee to have a profit always, but there is no risk of losing some money to the game. So keep playing until you understand the flow and earn some passive profit everyweek

Thanks for your advice mate. I really wanted to enhance my marketing strategies that is why i am really eager to learn and experienced spark profit so i would definitely try that when i have a free time but as you said i think it would really not that easy still


If i am not mistaken you can enhance your market prediction by reading some tut on babypeeps.com if i am not mistaken and truly that site gives some tut on how to do the works by yourselves but sadly i feel bored and stop reading that since i feel sleepy when i read those one, so if you have guts really to learn try that or you can google it mr,google can help us sometimes.
6395  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC keep rise again... on: October 28, 2016, 01:04:51 PM
love this..this is great...lets hope this month go over 700$!
If bitcoin will exceed on $700 dollar what will happen next? is there any chance that bitcoin will into bottom and then rise again? After year ends? or maybe when bitcoin will comming 2017 hope that bitcoin will be great and it will not going to decrease again.

We will never know what will happen for the bitcoins faith for this coming future, but we can speculate that this price up thrend will still continue since many people for now thinking to buy since where just experiencing like halving type of price upward, so let see maybe in year 2017 we can see more gods grace for this token and we can earn more if the price reached at 100$ at piece.
There will not be no point in speculating bitcoin prices to continue up surging when you are not sure about faith on bitcoin ecosystem in coming days. Because only based on the belief on bitcoin system by people, the price of bitcoin is getting appreciated. At the same time, there are no backing factors that may collaspe the faith on bitcoin system. Surely bitcoin will keep on rice.

Don't say it surely continue since there are lot of possibilities that bitcoins price will still go down and for this current price is even still huge price to be dump by contented people who earn some profits already by this movement, and yeah faith might be helpfull it is the one people's holding to still believe that this up will soar for more and earn more by the time price of btcoin would get up.
6396  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is investing in mining still worth it? on: October 28, 2016, 12:16:52 PM
Well if you try to invest in cloud-mining there will be big risk in your investment there are many cloud mining that turn into scam now a days just stay away from that.but if you plan to build your own mining farm or rig make sure that you have low cost of power or maybe free source of power and internet and that's way it will give you a nice return with your investment.

CLoudmining  are  just a waste  of money  and  we should  not   really  invest  our  money on it  in the first  place  because they would surely end  up  on scam  because   they  are just  another   ponzi site as we all  know  that are scams. Having your  own  mining farm  is  no joke because you would need    huge amounts of  money   because  asic miners are expensive and   you should consider  on the electricity  cost  on your country.


Its no joke really since the profit you can get is depends on which country are you at and also the maintenance fee of your miner aswell as the electricity cost might be higher rather your proifts if you are living in the country who gots huge electrical cost, and its not easy to start up if you are planning to build that since mining difficulty is even got difficulter, and ponzi cloudmining is just scam and we should not invest on them.
6397  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: is Dogecoin dying ? on: October 28, 2016, 11:39:35 AM
I never liked DOGE and I was thinking that there is no use for it, but if you think about it a bit more, you'll realize that it can be one of the fun sides of crypto. Maybe some day petrol could be traded with Bitcoin (just an example), but it would never happen with the DOGE... not in a million years.


Its your opinion, but for me i don't really hate it nor love it since i don't actually using doge coin for good nor trading it since i don't find it appealing,  but as i see dogecoins are on dying state for now since we can't see any movements for the price and the flactuation for it is so so little that we can't even earn  little money from it, and i think what if dogecoin will undergo to hardforking does it possible to do? Or it will still fail since doge is done?
6398  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Pacquiao Vs Vargas on: October 28, 2016, 11:07:52 AM
Manny Pacquiao is still best and more better in technique than Jessie Vargas, so that I am also quite sure it will be easy fight for Manny Pacquiao, so it will be worth to watch this fight but it will be hard for me to place bet on that low odds there even it looking more secure.
That's true Pacman is still the best among all boxer in the world im proud that i am filipino and he had good techniques and unique moves when it comes in boxing match i think yes Manny Pacquiao will Knock Down Vargas in 5 rounds or maybe less hope that it's really worth to watch.


We can't underestimate vargas since he is still a champ in his division, but i would agree that still pacquiao will dominate this match since he have still a fire punch to knock out his enemy on the ring and possibly vargas would be on his list of defeated fighter on his carreer but this will be a though one for pacquiao since he's facing a young blood.

This would be an exciting match for us to see, and lets watch who will prevail if the hero on the ring or the young blood with guts.

Exactly,  but i think that pacman will not be over confident about his opponent vargas, he definitely  can remember to what happened during his last fight against marquez. Everything could really happen

Yeah i don't see any traits for pacmans fight that he criticize his oppenent and as i've see he no underestimate any since he know all of them are treath, and surely pacman learned nore lesson about those fight since he totally got more agrresive and get caught by marquez for his just single wrong move out there, and this would be an exciting episode to see since the big challenge for pacman is how he overcome his oppenent despite on his age.
6399  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: October 28, 2016, 10:33:11 AM
What happen to the price o icn? Is this scenario will continue? Where is thos big exchange? Does it really came to add ICN Tokens? And for what i've see the price of ICN is going down and maybe it will go deep until to critical level does devs have countermeasure for this following event? If the dump will continue we cannot really see the high price speculated by many speculators out there.
6400  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Best Cloud Miner on: October 28, 2016, 09:52:10 AM
The only one which I have used was Genesis Mining, just finished a year contract on the X11 mining and made a tiny tiny ROI, it takes a long time to get anything back. 

Hashflare is another one which some people have verified as being decent but I have never used it, do be careful with any new sites that pop up as they will most likely take your money.

That is the issue really on genisis mining, the roi is to little and that is not enough for long time waiting, and seriously we should not bother to invest on either new or old ones since cloudmining business is totally dead and u think those remaining running at these days are only scammers who offer to good to be true profit to their investors and that one should we better to take care of and be vigilant always at the time.
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