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641  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: January 07, 2024, 03:35:39 AM
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Brazil started the tournament quite well. They literally destroyed Bolivia, with a margin of 5-1, and in this match both Neymar and Rodrygo scored two goals each. In the second match they defeated Peru by a margin of 1-0. Then Neymar got injured and things went downhill for Brazil. First a draw against Venezuela, and then consecutive defeats against Uruguay, Colombia and Argentina. Now the tournament will resume only after 9 months and they have enough time to regroup and undergo introspection. And by then, the new coach will also join them.

Yeah, we will have to see what happens.

Also another thing that most people don't discuss is how well Venezuela is performing in this qualification. They are usually at the bottom of the table, but now they have really good chances to qualify.

I feel that most people simply talk about Brazil not being great but forget to discuss the teams replacing Brazil instead.
642  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: January 07, 2024, 03:33:45 AM
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Gambling is something we all do for one reason or the other, for some it's entertainment and for the others it's a form or means of generating money for their use whichever it is we all are still gambling but then you can't measure addiction by the time we we allocate for gambling alone, some addicts don't spend much time but they make sure to gamble everyday.

An addict who hasn't turned chronic yet and has got other levels of engagement usually don't gamble for long but they will make sure to gamble every day nonstop meanwhile the obvious addict who probably don't have other forms of engagement and probably spends all their time gambling will na look much like like the addict more than the other but they are both addicted with slight difference if the other gambling addict has nothing else to keep him busy and away from gambling often it's very likely they will look like the obvious gambler.

There are also a huge number of the population that doesn't really gamble. Maybe they have done it a couple of times in their lives only.

When someone is deeply inside gambling, they might think that it's normal, but in reality it is not the same for everyone.

It helps to think about other addiction that you don't have, like smoking, drinking, etc. You can see many people doing it, but you don't do it.
643  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: January 07, 2024, 03:31:44 AM
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Yes I agree with your idea that gambling is more than just a fun game, there is something they are after and maybe we can already conclude here that they are after a return on the money they put in, or I mean wanting a bigger amount than the capital money they brought. On the other hand, if they're just there for the fun of it then aren't there plenty of other things they can do without the possibility of risk such as playing online games for example? Obviously, and gambling is someone's choice to pursue something that is basically not easy to achieve.

As you said that if fun is the main priority then I think people will prefer to gamble on a demo account which certainly does not require real money capital and only requires free time, so your assumption is quite reasonable in my opinion and it can be a strong reason why people come to gamble.

Yeah, there is a small amount of fun that people get when playing the free games, but that's quickly gone and the interest of actually making real money starts.

At the end of the day it is the idea of making money that is the addictive ingredient, the games, lights, sounds, etc, are all there to help, but they are not the main thing.
644  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: January 07, 2024, 03:30:19 AM
You're right speaking on experience, gambling at work make you lose total concentration by affecting you emotionally and mentally depends if you winning or losing. Let me say around last year a friend of mine was lecturing at a school and he also gambling (match prediction) When the game he found that the time he place bet on loss, and that moment he was about to start his next class so seeing those losses affected him behaviourally and he didn't perform well because he was not being concentrated any more

Yes, attention is quite scarce, and when your mind is focused on only one thing, which is what addiction is really, then you can perform well in other tasks, such as a job for example.

This will inevitably create a problem at work for the gambling person as they are not focused on what they should be focusing on.
645  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: January 07, 2024, 03:28:56 AM
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AI can actually get prediction gurus and Tipster jobless as they can analyze and process large amount of data and create a model with backtesting.
They have no emotion or bias and they don't miss any things. They have already been in use both on making plans on game or predicting the game and overall results. Their use is on increase because of their relative success. And to add to that, they are still in their early phase, they can do wonders as the models mature.
The place where the AI might still lose is common understanding and new type of development of events that has larger effect that can skew the model.

The thing is that casinos also have access to these AI models, so they will adjust their odds accordingly.

I don't think there will be any major breakthrough using AI to win more than what the odds tell you using AI.

It's just a math model in the end, and I'm sure casinos are even using some margins as well to be sure they don't lose.
646  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: January 06, 2024, 09:31:06 AM
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it's interesting because if we stretch the elastic even more, can a heroin or crack cocaine frequent user be considered "normal", let's say "not addicted" if their use fall in this description we just found?

If the behavior makes the user happy and it's not a problem for them (or people around them)... would it be ok? supposing it's legal, of course.
this line of thinking can spark interesting conversations on morality, ethics and behavior.

Yes, that's usually fine. It depends on the substance though because they come with different levels of addiction.

For example if someone simply tries one time marijuana, they will not be addicted if they never do it again.

But, if anyone tries heroine or a similar drug once, they will be addicted forever.

The problem lies in the brain. Some chemicals give you such a high in the first dose that you can never get back to it.

That's called chasing the dragon.

Basically imagine the best feeling you have lived in your entire life. Multiply it by a hundred. That's what a person gets when they get heroin or similar substances in their bodies.

They can never experience that level of happiness, or joy, etc, outside of the chemical, so they end up doing it over and over, with decreasing power. It's quite sad.
647  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you believe in gambling experts predictions? on: January 06, 2024, 09:27:36 AM
There is no guarantee in gambling, anyone telling you that they are expert are fooling you, they are either shilling the casino or they are looking for many followers, just like online streamers use to do.

Gambling experts are not true expert because gambling is luck, there is no expert that can come out and prove how many times they gamble without losing money, it's either they hide their losses or they are lying using a special gambling software to deceive people, in the end they always have many followers.

Follow your own strategy, the only painful mistake you can do is risking too much money or even little amount that you are not ready to lose, predictions are mere predictions, always remember this.

I mean there can be gambling experts that know the odds, and maximize their odds by playing a games with better odds and playing with certain rules.

But if someone says to you that they know a coin toss is going to be heads, then yeah, that's just bullshit.
648  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: January 06, 2024, 09:26:13 AM
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However, many people lose a lot of money from playing slots because they forget to stop gambling and cannot control themselves because they have discovered the joy of playing slots. But slot games offer a demo mode that gamblers can use to play slots so that they don't have to use real money, especially if they are afraid of losing a lot of money playing those slots. Indeed, when using demo mode, we can quickly feel bored because there is no challenge, especially since it is fake money used or provided by casinos for those who want to experience the sensation of gambling. But playing demo mode can prevent someone from using real money so they won't lose money.

Demo mode slot games can still provide enjoyment in playing slots. At least people can enjoy their free time by playing slots, and even though they place large bets in demo mode, they can still feel safe because no real money is used. But those who have experienced the challenge of using real money do not feel the challenge and will only think that demo mode-based slot games are uncomfortable to play slots with.

It's more than just the fun of the game.

Otherwise people would simply just play the free version of it.

It's all about the chances of becoming a rich person with a few coins.
649  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you blame someone for your gambling losses? on: January 06, 2024, 09:25:03 AM
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Gambling addictions and the blames that goes with it will take a new turn when people finally realise that whatever we do is entirely our own decision, hence, our own responsibility.

I mean, how can you transfer blame on a thing you consciously got yourself involved in, part of the reason why we have irresponsibility ravaging loads of classes.

If we all understand that there are consequences for our actions, therefore, we should take responsibility for our actions then gambling loss blames will stop

Yeah, that's the main point.

The thing is that many people choose to go on the easy route blaming others for their actions.

It just doesn't work like that though.
650  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: January 06, 2024, 01:39:43 AM
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but... this wouldn't make your luck better if your numbers are never choosen, at the end of the day I don't really think it's worth to consider if other people are betting in the same numbers as you or not, you have no way to control it...
makes sense?

Odds are exactly the same if the numbers are randomly given to you or you choose them.

Yes, you can't control other people's numbers.

All that I'm saying is that there is a large number of people that use dates as source for their numbers, therefore numbers higher than 31 have less chances of sharing the prize if you win.

The odds of winning are always the same.
651  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I could have won bigger. on: January 04, 2024, 05:29:59 AM
IMO, it won't be bigger or the same because this is how this universe works. If you try to do something different in the past then you won't have the result that you've got.

So, just be it and let it all happen when it's with the results but I agree that your friend you have paid you already.

This is why I don't lend my friends anymore, if they ask me little money, I wouldn't expect it to be back and I'll just tell them that pay it whenever they are comfortable.

Yeah, people regret not betting more when they win, and regret betting a lot when they lose.

At the end of the day it is just a random event, and you never know the outcome of it until you actually observe the result.
652  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: January 04, 2024, 05:27:55 AM
I have observed that the rich, I mean those who are financially comfortable, win more in gambling than the poor. By poor, I mean those who do not have enough to meet all their needs. I don't know the reason for this. Could it be that the rich understand financial management more? Or could it be that the rich are less desperate to win which make them make better gambling decision? I really want to know the reason for this pattern I have observed.
Well, I wouldn't say they are more financially meticulous than the poor person, only that they simply take less number of games and stake big, but the average person will want to take more selections to give them a good run for their money.
I've seen instances of these rich people staking big and before the game will end they may have seen that the outcome may not be favorable, they will quickly make a cash out.
 

At the end of the day the rich person can simply make the same bets that the poor person is doing, with the only difference being how much they are betting.

The odds are exactly the same for both of them, so the onky difference will be how much money they lose in the end. 
653  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you blame someone for your gambling losses? on: January 04, 2024, 05:25:57 AM
It's human desire that place that lust and for some reasons there are always pleasure that you are gaining when you please the kind of
emotions that residing inside you.

If you initiate that better to accept the risk behind it, never to find any reason or to point something as whatever
action you take is the same obligation you should take.

It's you and no one should be blame when you follow your desire and lose your money after playing.
But that still shouldn't be done because blaming other people for the defeats we experience is not a good way because they may refuse to be blamed. After all, it has nothing to do with them. This will only cause problems for both parties and will cause arguments between them.
We should accept the loss because it was our own fault. Not many people can sincerely accept their own mistakes, while others still blame others.
We must realize that mistakes happen because we are too eager to chase victory, so we must experience many losses.
It is time for us to realize that we must try to reduce gambling activities for our own good.

Yeah, spot on.

The first step in actually coming back from an addiction is to realize that the gambler is to blame for their own actions. Not anyone else.

People are quick to blame others, but they rarely take responsibility of their actions when they lose.
654  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: January 04, 2024, 05:24:03 AM
That makes sense, maybe it's true that they don't see other things that give the same pleasure, and indeed in my opinion there are still many other things that are more fun that don't require money to get pleasure. In my opinion, if they are already heavily addicted to gambling, of course their lives will be destroyed, because people who are addicted to gambling tend to only think about gambling and maybe they always prioritize gambling in their lives, and of course prioritizing gambling is not a good thing, because like that it will make them only focus on gambling, even if they don't have enough money but they will try something to be able to make money so they can do gambling again.

I think the main thing is to have your own awareness, before your family or friends who provide support, I think that's the main thing.
That's because they can no longer feel the pleasure of other things and only think that gambling can provide that enjoyment and pleasure. However, if they are willing to stop for a while and do other things well, they might be able to feel that there is a pleasure to be had when they do other things. And if they do other things more often, they will abandon gambling to do those things more often. At that time, their focus will begin to shift and maybe they will try to start reducing their gambling activities because they have found something different that can also provide fun and enjoyment.

They will also see that they can save money when they do other things and can use the money to buy food to enjoy with the people around them or their friends. This will give them another "taste" so that they will slowly change and reduce their gambling activities.

Yeah, that is one of the typical factors in addiction.

People get their "high" after doing certain behavior, it can be an activity, not a substance, and it will also create addiction on the brain.

That is why gambling is regulated worldwide. It is quite addictive.
655  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: January 04, 2024, 05:22:16 AM
What is important with these "trump won't be allowed to vote" parts coming from other states, is the fact that do they have a legal standing or not. If they do have a legal standing it's very scary, if they do not have any legal standing that is even scarier as well.

Think of it this way, if they do have a legal standing, that means a president of the USA did something so horrible that legally he is not allowed to run again and it is real, not fake at all. If it is not legal, then it means there are some judges in the USA, who has used their power to illegally not allowed a president to run, which could be precedent and other states may start doing it too, if they are allowed to do that, then how could we sure that some republican state judge won't do it to Biden? So it is not really any good way at all, in either case this is quite scary, either a president did something that prevents him to run again, or a judge used their power for unjust move, that is terrible to think about.

The things is that there are some politicians in the United States who believe the article in the constitution which is being used against Trump is supposed to be used specifically in this way and in situations like these ones for preventing bad people to reach the presidency or any official position within the government whatsoever, while there are other who believe this is an article which is specifically about the prevention of people who participated in the American civil war into the Union politics.
Regardless of what happens, the judges of those states won't have the final word, the SCOTUS will and they are likely to side with Trump anyways.

Whatever happens (and going beyong gambling and betting on political options for the presidency of the United States) this year sure is going to be pretty agitated in the news, rumors, conspiracy theories and probably foreign intervention on the way of thinking of the public. It has already been proven that Trump only gets stronger with each accusation and these attempts to kick Jim out the ballot will continue to accumulate support for him. Let us see how the primaries go.

What I find more disconcerting is that most people are looking at this as a political move against their candidate.

As in, there is nothing that a candidate could do to being banned from being a candidate in their minds.

And the responses I am seeing are, well, what if they decide to do the same with the other one, etc. To which obviously they should, no one is above the law.
656  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: January 03, 2024, 02:09:51 AM
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if you can deal well with something that is hard and maybe addictive, if it makes you happy and you make money and it's not a problem for you... is it an addiction?
that's a really interesting topic that can get quite deep, I'd be curious to hear more people's opinions on this

what do you think?

If the behavior makes you happy, makes you money, and it's not a problem for you (or people around you), and it's legal, then I don't see any issues with that behavior.

It's not an addiction.

In fact, some of the definitions of addiction include you or someone close to you having issues with that behavior.

What you are describing is a positive activity. But in reality most addicted gamblers lose most of their money and have issues with people around them.
657  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: January 03, 2024, 02:04:53 AM
What is important with these "trump won't be allowed to vote" parts coming from other states, is the fact that do they have a legal standing or not. If they do have a legal standing it's very scary, if they do not have any legal standing that is even scarier as well.

Think of it this way, if they do have a legal standing, that means a president of the USA did something so horrible that legally he is not allowed to run again and it is real, not fake at all. If it is not legal, then it means there are some judges in the USA, who has used their power to illegally not allowed a president to run, which could be precedent and other states may start doing it too, if they are allowed to do that, then how could we sure that some republican state judge won't do it to Biden? So it is not really any good way at all, in either case this is quite scary, either a president did something that prevents him to run again, or a judge used their power for unjust move, that is terrible to think about.

I don't see this as such a big deal.

Think of it as the right to vote in the US. Not everyone can do it, you can lose that right. For example, prisoners right to vote is defined state by state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States#Prisoners

If you can lose your right to vote, then it makes even more sense that you can lose your ability to be a presidential candidate.

It's not a political thing, it's just how the rules work. If Biden has a similar conviction, then the same would apply.
658  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: January 02, 2024, 03:54:53 AM
Unlike regular gamblers, they always stop when they lose or set limits on the number of losses. Gambling addicts often continue to play to regain lost money. People addicted to gambling may be aware of the consequences that gambling causes, but they seem to have no way to control or resist the urge and temptation of gambling. I think that by keeping people addicted to gambling busy, they will no longer have time to think about participating in gambling games and gradually overcome their addiction more successfully. The detoxification process will face many difficulties and challenges, sometimes it takes addicts many years to overcome all the consequences caused by gambling, and at the same time eliminate their interest in gambling.

Yeah, that's one helpful way of treating addiction, to do something else instead.

Specially when the triggers appear, do something else.

For example, if someone always gambles after coming back from work for example, it might be a good idea to say, go for a run after work. That way you end up replacing a bad habit with a good one.

Over time, you will feel better
659  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: January 02, 2024, 03:52:03 AM
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seems that Mr. Blondie has another chance to redeem himself if he will be elected one more time. the odds are showing that stake is favouring a lil bit on Trump. i don't think Biden will get this position again


https://stake.com/sports/outright/politics-entertainment/politics/us-presidential-election-2024-democratic-preside/42847979-us-presidential-election-2024-democratic-preside


I didn't know that Michelle Obama was a candidate!

But then I looked it up and it seems that it is not the case, and it's only a conspiracy theory?

Man, the US is really the land of made up things these days.
660  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: January 02, 2024, 03:48:48 AM
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Cristiano Ronaldo is aged 38 and he's still doing quite brilliance in Saudi Pro League. He's such a confident and influential player the pitch, not just the pitch but it also extends to the entire team performance and big positive impact on the team he plays for. Ronaldo is not relenting in his performance and he's capable of doing the impossible, which I must fall on his goals tally this season alone. Ronaldo bagged 54 goals in calender of 2023 and he surpassed all of his opponents with clear stats, that alone proved him to be the best when compared to his mates and the new generation of football.

That is true, but he is currently not playing at the top leagues, so his performance might drop in the future, also considering his age, because he is definitely now in his biological prime any more.

He will continue to score of course, but I don't think we will see him at the next world cup, he is basically retiring in the SPL in my mind.
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