God didn't appear. God always existed. I mean, you don't really have an accurately known source for your Goo. Maybe the Goo always existed... for all you know.

Your Goo is laughing at you.

Yabut, you can't make the vase alive. Only the Goo can make things alive. Not even science can make the vase alive, or anything else, for that matter.

Why won't the Goo make your vase alive? Because the Goo has given you a different way to procreate. And all the Goo is trying to do by giving you your one method for procreation is, It's trying to make a believer out of you. After all, you said the Goo made life, but you don't believe it, even though you said it.

You are finally getting close to understanding the power of the Goo. What is a stick? It is a piece of a tree or vine which was alive. Nobody can make a living tree or vine. Nobody can even make a dead tree or vine with all the cellular detail that a dead tree or vine has. Since the stick God made the stick to be alive for the duration of its life, and since you believe in the fabulously powerful Goo that made all life in ways the best of science can't begin to, you are believing in the stick God, even though you call it the Goo. You better start worshiping the Goo stick God before it is too late for you.

Oh... That will be interesting. Go on.


I never said that everything must have been created. Some things could be recreated and some things could be random. I am just saying that the laws are most probably created as they were not been observed to spontaniously appear. Just that.

And yes - you have proven against yourself, and you have not even noticed that not everything need to be created - some things can be recreated like the images and sensations in the brain.

Everything is recreated based on the first creation model and is related to it.


If you think that there is no objective reality, and it is only in our brain, then you have a serious mental issue - best known as being solipsist.


When I was growing up I have learned the english grammar, even if it is my second language.



We have minds that recreate reality, and make up stories that sometimes are not true - like evolution. So what? I don't get your point? Do you think that there is no objective reality? You need to examine yourself.



Yes we are a terrible liars. The fact that Bible says that all the time is not therefor a mistake it is a fact that need to be emphasise.


Not neccesarily.


I have written my Master Thesis work about illiterate people. They repeat themselves. That is one of their trait. Let me guess - you do not read much. Do you? You have already reapeated that many times.


People have thoughts and reflections you know? We do not only react to reality. We name it and try to find patterns you know? If you look at the patterns it is the moment you can find God - in patterns. Just like evolutionists see the evolution - in patterns. That is why the evolution is religion.



If you can build patterns having one aspect you will never see God. Ever. God is multi aspect pattern.


Because of Satan. That is a pattern as well. As Jesus have said we do not wrestle with flesh but with principles of the world - aka patterns.


Some prayers are rich? You have meant that some people that pray are rich. Well... if your only way to evaluate a person is by richest of this world than there is a reason why are you so much away from God.


I absolutely have no idea where you have came out with that point. I am completly content with my life and my welfare financially. I have a huge pile of free time that I can talk to you. That is more than I would wish.



What? What is your point? God being a blob? What? Ball of light? WTF? Noone have seen the God in the Bible. They had seen his messangers - his Glory in other words. God is the pattern in the world that we can see a parts of him all around and know the character of the creator that way.

It is a multipattern so I understand how hard can it be for you to understand the concept.


Nothing that you had wrote have not signalise such a conclusion. That's a weird turnover.... very weird. But ok...

Why there have to be more than 1 god? WTF man... Why? Thats weird.



Like you yourself have proven by your own words - not everything need to be created. Thank you for proving that. So now apply the premise of - not everything needed to be created, and why God does not need to be created. It is not hard. You can do it.


Your language imply that you hate God. Why? I do not hate things I believe that does not exist. I for example do not hate elves and dwarves ok? Sometimes I hate trolls, but that is another type of creature.


Scientist and everybody with half of working brain KNOWS that the universe had the begining ok? The universe was made.... everybody agrees about that - it had a begining and it will have an end. 100% rational people agree about that.

First atheists were claiming the universe existed always. That was proven not to be true. So now to be the atheist you need to prove what made the universe to be. Big Bang? What have made the Big Bang? You don't know? Then you are the agnostic at best.

There are no rational atheists for that reason. There could be only the rational agnostics.


First atheists were saying everything is matter and everything is visible. It was proven to not be the truth. So your claim that a God must be made out of materia is a straw man made by neoatheists.


Yes. You should learn science rather than making stuff up about it.


You don't. You might want, but I actually doubt you would ever be capable to see the need of it.


I am afraid you will not understand it. Maybe Badecker will try.


See what? I see that you do not know how to build an argument, yet you think you had build one.

Why do I put God in my life? Because the world is unsatisfactory without him for me personally.


As long as you understand it premises and conslusions, and not put your trust in popular science publications.
Someone have said a very smart thing. The science in its elementary stage gives you illusions of knowing stuff, that puts you away from God, but the more you understand it, the more you see the need of the creator.

So tell me when you will graduate from the scientific kindergarden


Is that your conclusion? We were made by earth because we have made the world in our brain? You need to learn how to build your arguments. None of your conclusions is in the body of your argument. That is silly. Where have you came up with that premise of - only the earth had made us. Scientists do not believe that. They would believe a lot of forces have made the life not just a matter. So you are alone with that premise.


Maybe for the pseudo atheists like you.



No. I was raised an atheist ok? I was always an atheist most of my life.


We are liars that lie, like saying we concluded anything, when we have not made any arguments.

All of your talk convince me that the most vicious atheists came from catholic or kalvinistic backgrounds.

Atheist are laughing from the God of catholics and kalvinists. No... That is not what God is... I understand your anger about the Kalvin type of God... its ridiculous.

They are hardly christians at all IMHO. Actually some of them can be deeply errournous ones that are sincere, but most of them are there because they are lazy enough to not be the way they are.

Have you ever consider you just do not understand God? Just a little? Or maybe you are convinced you are omniscient? Just consider... you might have a flawed image of who the God is ok?


God may do such, that you will not miss the missing limb becuase of other things. It would be as you were whole.

His ways are mysterious and better than what we want. And if limb would grow back he would have discredit all the dreams of atheists. There would be no atheist on the earth if such a defy of logic would happen.

Ok? He make you dreams come true - you can easily believe he does not exists if that is all you want of him.

You just laugh of the God of catholics. God of the Bible works in everything not just miracles ok? That is not the God of the catholics by no means.

According to your arcticle:


The hero on the white horse argument. That is not true. There were a lot of crazy scientologists out there, really a lot of them. You make it to be a breakthrough.

Sadly both sides of the fence have that stupid hero on the white horse argument. It is a straw man.


How awfull...... still in the 21st century we require higher standards for science... how awful is that? That is just wrong, everything should be considered scientific should be so because some doctor have said so like in the middle ages. How dreadful..........


Observation=empiricism. The article just said that evolution cannot be a science because it violates the premise to be called scientific - it need to be observable.

Do not call that science ok? Please.

You do not care because you do not call it a naturalistic science. You just make all categories of sciences and all of them have different standards. That is what I call Bull Shit.

For example I do not call myself a scientist, because I am not a natural scientist. I am so called social scientist, and I KNOW... there is a lot of thing called science there that should not be called so. I KNOW. I see that. There are many people saying that scientific standards at least in sociology are violated by A LOT. And still I would be called scientist if I would want to. I don't because many statements in sociology and evolution sciences are unobseravable hypothesis at best, and in worse just a piece of trash.

Now you are trying to tell me that evolutionists wish that God existed!? LOL! They call it what they call it because that is what they wish existed. Period.


You already know in your heart that God exists. God doesn't have to convince you of it. The thing that God is trying to do is coax you to be on His side, in favor of Him... without forcing you into it.



I don't blame you for thinking like this. Even the Christians often think like this. So, to show you how wrong you are, I will let you show yourself. Here's how you can show yourself.

In the privacy of your home or office, grow another arm. Maybe grow two of them, one on each side, complete with shoulder-like sockets and joints. You can be a six-limbed person, kinda like the hexapeds in E. E. (Doc) Smith's book, Spacehounds of IPC.

Go ahead. Grow them. Or is all nature the miracle?

Jesus says that the miracles will happen according to your faith. You don't even believe that God exists. According to your faith, you are pushing yourself right out of life, even though God is working very hard to give you more time to change your mind... and faith direction.

The miracle for you (if you don't change) will be that God has offered you salvation, but you are rejecting it for a very painful destruction instead. It's like a joker who is dying of thirst out in the hot desert, finding a pool of the freshest cool water anyone could ever want, but trying to drink hot sand instead of the water. It's a miracle that salvation is there for you, but you would rather throw it away for something that is destroying you.

This is so ridiculous, we didn't evolve from monkey... Nowaday monkeys and us evolved from a common ancestor which disappeared since then. Evolution is the only theory that actually makes some sense. It might be proven wrong one day and I am sure that scientists will recongnize another truth