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6481  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: How does the bitcoin client choose sendfrom addresses? on: July 16, 2011, 03:13:43 AM
I'm having a bit of difficulty understanding the code...  I seem to remember a written-up bit in the wiki or on a website, but I can't seem to find it anymore.  Can you tell me more about the "stochastic approximation"?
6482  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Linux noob trying to run bitcoin via SSH on: July 16, 2011, 02:53:38 AM
The error's your getting seems to suggest you've built bitcoin on another machine ? It's looking for libs it cannot find and failing. If you run that version locally you will get the same result. Why don't you just use the pre compiled binaries ?

The ampersand at the end is so bitcoind starts and runs in the background so you can still use the shell,
I tried the precompiled binary the first go around, and got an error about a missing lib (see posts near beginning of this thread).  Then, Joel posted a version for me to try, and it has different missing libs.

Does & = -daemon then?

EDIT:  This is the error I got from the precompiled binary:
Code:
"./bitcoind: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot o$"

Your missing libgthread then Cheesy What version on linux ? If your ubuntu / debian

Code:
apt-get update;apt-get install libgthread
Tried it.. seems like it got the update (?) ok, but then comes back with this on the second command:
Code:
E: Couldn't find package libgthread
6483  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / How does the bitcoin client choose sendfrom addresses? on: July 16, 2011, 01:18:07 AM
Last I heard, it always chose the addresses with the "newest" coins - i.e., the address that had received coins in the most recent block.  Can anyone confirm/deny this?
6484  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Transaction fees (for 0.01 BTC) on: July 16, 2011, 01:09:06 AM
It is a completely linear score:
Code:
static bool AllowFree(double dPriority)
    {
        // Large (in bytes) low-priority (new, small-coin) transactions
        // need a fee.
        return dPriority > COIN * 144 / 250;
    }
where dPriority is measured in value-in-satoshis times age-in-blocks divided by transaction-size-in-bytes.

This is all in main.{h,cpp} for the curious.
Thank you, very helpful!

Guess that 1 satoshi I sent won't be fee-free for quite a while...  Tongue
6485  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - The Bitcoin Mining Company on: July 16, 2011, 01:07:52 AM
I really wonder however, how you manage to have THIS many hardware failures?!
Sounds like someone is buying old used parts off eBay and charging the investors for new parts. Is there any auditing of invoices, or is everyone just expected to have faith?
Dear lord, how many conspiracy theories do we have to come up with?

No, it does not sound like someone is buying old used parts.  It sounds like someone is buying new parts that have a pretty standard DOA rate of 2-4%.  I buy a decent amount of computer hardware myself, and I'd guess DOA rates to be around 5% for the stuff I've bought.  So he's ahead of the game compared to my personal data.
6486  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is This Bitcoin Weekly Comic Crap? on: July 16, 2011, 12:24:51 AM
Needs some work.  I prefer the really witty/technical stuff, like xkcd.
6487  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduction: VHDL FPGA mining in Kintex XC7K325TL-2 devices Post #1 on: July 15, 2011, 10:49:59 PM
What's the cost on said FPGA's?
6488  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin7, and other exchanging websites are still taking the 0.01 fee? on: July 15, 2011, 10:48:55 PM
Yah, i've been trying to get a full year long chart of mining stats but I would throw a guess that summer lowers the processing power and increases the amount of lost share and blocks due to crashing and heat issues. I just have two cards and they alone bring up the heat in my room ten fold.

Much like the government keeps USD at near 0 rate level, bitcoin exchange markets should do the same. I was reading another post, but a real good change for bitcoin will be if the US defaults on their debt. People are running for safer currencys and if the US does ( I doubt it will) I would rack up the fee's when people start running for higher ground. But that is just me, I know currencys pretty well but I'm new to bitcoin and I'm just absorbing ^^

-Iyeman: But how many people will get turned off by that diffculty?
10 fold?  From kelvin?  From freezing temperature?  Either way, a 600+F room is not likely to survive long...
6489  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Transaction fees (for 0.01 BTC) on: July 15, 2011, 10:47:19 PM
how long do I need to wait for bitcoins to qualify as not 'recently received' ?
I'm interested in this answer as well... though I suspect it's not a set limit, just a linear or logarithmic score based on age.
6490  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Linux noob trying to run bitcoin via SSH on: July 15, 2011, 10:45:50 PM
Debian.  Thanks, I'll give that a try when I get home.
6491  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I don't trust deepbit, but how come so many trust it? on: July 15, 2011, 10:44:06 PM
Deepbit certainly has instant payout (without having to wait for the 100 block confirmations) but they charge the highest fees of any pool I've seen recently. Perhaps the highest anywhere. Why people continue to think they're making more money on Deepbit than on other pools is a mystery to me.

People don't like variance (unless it works in their favor of course, but who doesn't like that?).  For many it's worth a small commission to be able to watch their BTC count tick up every hour on the hour.

Sure, I understand that well, but that doesn't address why some people think they're making more on Deepbit than other pools, when in reality they're making the least?
I'm making more, because the other pools I tried were unreliable, so I had significant downtime.

*shrug*
6492  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Linux noob trying to run bitcoin via SSH on: July 15, 2011, 10:11:42 PM
The error's your getting seems to suggest you've built bitcoin on another machine ? It's looking for libs it cannot find and failing. If you run that version locally you will get the same result. Why don't you just use the pre compiled binaries ?

The ampersand at the end is so bitcoind starts and runs in the background so you can still use the shell,
I tried the precompiled binary the first go around, and got an error about a missing lib (see posts near beginning of this thread).  Then, Joel posted a version for me to try, and it has different missing libs.

Does & = -daemon then?

EDIT:  This is the error I got from the precompiled binary:
Code:
"./bitcoind: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot o$"
6493  Economy / Economics / Re: give me 5 reasons why a shop should charge more on BTC that $ on: July 15, 2011, 10:01:15 PM
9. Can pay expenses in USD but not BTC
so we need a better bitcoins ecosystem





ecosystem is that a good word for this?
Economy would be a better word.  Ecosystem has to do with ecology, which is plants-and-animals sort of stuff.
6494  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin is at least as anonymous as cash... on: July 15, 2011, 09:55:31 PM


But you would only buy a keypair if you completely trusted the creator not to have a copy, and also that the private key will in fact access the public address. That's not like cash at all, where the only concern might be that the cash is counterfeit and even then it would have to look pretty bad.

BitBills has demonstrated proof of concept here... you do not need to trust the person handing you the BitBills. And BitBills is just the first iteration of this concept, it's not a stretch to say many similar/superior products will be created. And of course, just as with cash, there is always a risk you are receiving counterfeit money - the goal is to reduce that risk enough that it is no longer a big concern for most transactions.
You do not need to trust the person handing you the bitbills, no, but you do need to trust the creator of the bitbills.
6495  Economy / Economics / Re: the VAT trick and bitcoins on: July 15, 2011, 09:23:12 PM
And hope to God you don't get audited and go to jail for fraud?
6496  Economy / Economics / Re: give me 5 reasons why a shop should charge more on BTC that $ on: July 15, 2011, 09:21:26 PM
1. Volatility
2. Volatility
3. Volatility
4. Volatility
5. Volatility
6497  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Linux noob trying to run bitcoin via SSH on: July 15, 2011, 09:15:11 PM
@OP

If you want to run bitcoind from SSH extract bitcoin and cd into the bin folder and type

Code:
/path/to/bitcoin/bin/bitcoind -<your_flags>&
./bitcoind accomplishes the same thing, right?  That's basically what I tried to do, and got the following error message:

Code:
./bitcoind: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by ./bitcoind)
./bitcoind: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found (required by ./bitcoind)
./bitcoind: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by ./bitcoind)
./bitcoind: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by ./bitcoind)

What is the ampersand at the end of the flag for?  I haven't seen that used previously...
6498  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 5850 and power supply. on: July 15, 2011, 09:03:30 PM
Should be fine.  I had a 5850 running on a cheap-ish 400w, along with an X4, and it ran fine unless I tried overclocking.  A quality 400w would have done fine though.  An additional 5850 will only draw 150w more, so even a quality 550w would be fine.
6499  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Irony? on: July 15, 2011, 09:01:28 PM
Spell checker is part of your browser, not part of this website.  Your browser doesn't know/care about bitcoin yet.
6500  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Fan Speed vs Heat on: July 15, 2011, 08:45:10 PM
I just let the fan auto-adjust to temps by whatever the default settings are.... works fine for me.

I find the auto fan option on Trixx doesn't pick up fan speed enough at high temps. I came home once after my apartment heated up to see the temp at over 85C with the fan at a relatively low speed and that always scares me a bit.
The only time I'm concerned with temperature is if the GPU is clocking itself down because it got too hot (> 90c).  Then I start losing Mhashes.  But even an overclocked 5830 won't go past 90c at full load with the fan not spinning (it'll clock itself all the way down to 150/300 if it has to), so I wouldn't worry yourself too much.  These things are good over 100c, probably up to 110 or 120c before you start seeing any hardware-killing issues crop up.
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