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6481  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: here's just how screwed ASIC buyers are - READ THIS if you have a preorder on: October 23, 2012, 02:45:17 PM
who hit rewind...

BFL, CablePair, Avalon have all publicly stated they will use testnet in a box.

That's just a waste of money. They should mine real BTC during the burn in but put them in a paper wallet they include in the box.
6482  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are people scared of taxes? on: October 23, 2012, 02:29:05 PM

Are you this stupid, or just retarded?

If you don't want to pay taxes, you can move out in international waters.  Problem solved.  If you choose to live in a country, you have to obey the laws there.  No one will force you to live in your country, unless it is North Korea.  (On the other hand, there are probably no taxes in North Korea because everything already is owned by the state, so you may be happy there.)

Are you this stupid, or just retarded?
6483  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are people scared of taxes? on: October 23, 2012, 02:27:49 PM
What makes you so sure that you're not the robber? You keep enjoying the fruits of society being and civil and organised. Would you rather have a "zombie apocalypse" where lone gunmen drive through devastated wastelands and shoot the 'bums'?


Perhaps he is. Perhaps he doesn't want to be. Government makes both victims and "criminals"* of us all.




(*Legally not a crime cause the government says it's OK and all).
6484  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are people scared of taxes? on: October 23, 2012, 02:22:55 PM

Yes.  Thieves don't steal a fair share of my income and use it to build roads for me to drive on, provide me with free healthcare, give me a free university education, etc.  And they don't stand up for an election every four years and ask me to give them verdict on how they did and how I want them to proceed.
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What proportion would they have to put towards that to make it OK?
6485  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are people scared of taxes? on: October 23, 2012, 02:21:03 PM
Services funded by theft are never going to be efficient,
True, but I was defending taxes, not theft.

Correct. Robbery is closer.
6486  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Libertarians are not corporate apologists" on: October 22, 2012, 09:29:22 PM
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/oct/22/libertarians-are-not-corporate-apologists/

I think it makes a lot of sense, but do you think this piece will finally convince the "progressives" out there?

None of the other disastrous failures of their policies have. They'll just point to an economy that has been run into the ground by huge government and regulation and cry about the failures of the free market again.
6487  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin alternative for nvidia?? on: October 22, 2012, 06:41:35 PM
This is a bit like saying "motorcycles are great at acceleration and maneuvering through traffic, how can I use one for delivering fridges and washing machines?"
6488  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: ASIC Miners have screwed me over. on: October 22, 2012, 06:23:12 PM
Not me. I don't want to control anyone else, that would break the non-aggression principle.

Of course, deep down inside, every one of us has our inner fascist: if we could do it without consequence, of course we would all love to mould the world in our countenance?

+1. What bought me to libertarianism is the internalization of the idea that I should treat others as I would hope to be treated myself. Of course, I know that I'm special and that everything I know is right (at least until I change my mind) and if I was grand leader of the world, things would be peachy for everyone forever but I wouldn't (and don't) feel that way about others who would aspire to that position so the fairest thing is if we all leave each other alone as much as possible to achieve success and happiness in our own ways.
6489  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner on: October 22, 2012, 06:14:31 PM
I'm trying to think of the simplest, most direct way to print. The "Copy to clipboard" only copies the text, not the QR code itself. The ZX barcode scanner allows you to generate a QR code from text which you can then share. The Brother printer driver installs itself as accessible from the share menu. I think we have a path.

I'm tempted to suggest that Bitcoin Spinner have a share option on the QR codes but that makes the security side of me want to freak out (accidently post your public key on facebook?). Possibly should be there for the public Bitcoin Address though.
6490  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner on: October 22, 2012, 05:33:44 PM
Never mind. There is still no real API, just some programs that can send some files to printers. Perhaps it might be possible to have a small program that you run on a PC to do the printing? I understand that's probably outside the scope of this project though.
6491  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner on: October 22, 2012, 05:19:21 PM
There are a couple of printing solutions for android out there at the moment. I haven't looked at all at how they operate but would it be possible to hook these in maybe?
6492  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Another take at intellectual property - what about bitcoin private keys? on: October 20, 2012, 01:24:37 AM
So legally it is the case. At least by precedence in the jurisdiction of those courts. It's not clear from that snippet if they expanded trespass to include all personal items (cf pen example), whether it already applied to those items and they expanded it to include computers  or  if it only means computers and not other personal items or what.

It originally meant all personal items. Yes, even your pen example. Technically, that's trespass to chattels. It's also petty theft of ink. It's not worth prosecuting, because of the miniscule amount of financial loss, but it is, technically, a crime, even though most people wouldn't mind. Unless, of course, the pen is owned by the company, and for use of employees, in which case it's perfectly within the proper use of that pen.

In that case, I accept hacking as trespass to chattels.
6493  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Another take at intellectual property - what about bitcoin private keys? on: October 19, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trespass_to_chattels

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The trespass to chattels tort punishes anyone who substantially interferes with the use of another's personal property, or chattels. Plaintiffs must show that the offender had intentional physical contact with the chattel and that the contact caused some substantial interference or damage. The courts that imported this common law doctrine into the digital world reasoned that electrical signals traveling across networks and through proprietary servers may constitute the contact necessary to support a trespass claim. Applying this common law action to computer networks, plaintiffs must first prove that they received some type of electronic communication (typically bulk e-mail or spam) that the defendant intentionally sent to interfere with the plaintiff's interest in his or her property and second that this communication caused a quantifiable harm to their tangible property, such as impaired functioning of the computer, network or server.
[eBay v. Bidder's Edge, 100 F.Supp.2d 1058 (N.D. Cal. 2000)]

So legally it is the case. At least by precedence in the jurisdiction of those courts. It's not clear from that snippet if they expanded trespass to include all personal items (cf pen example), whether it already applied to those items and they expanded it to include computers  or  if it only means computers and not other personal items or what.

I think it's also important to bear in mind Lincoln's famous quote about dogs and legs.
6494  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Another take at intellectual property - what about bitcoin private keys? on: October 19, 2012, 04:45:14 AM
Just to say, I've lost interest in the private key aspect of this argument but I agree that the hacking of a computer is not the same as trespass. Though it does have some aspects in common, it is still a different thing.

It has in common that someone is using your stuff without you agreeing to it.
It's that simple.

True. But that's not sufficient. If someone comes to the desk where you work and picks up your pen and writes down a phone number, that's not trespass.
6495  Other / Politics & Society / Re: WTC Survivor Discusses 9/11 on: October 19, 2012, 04:39:00 AM
... fired for whistleblowing on money laundering, ... showed up late.

Maybe he was really fired for being a slacker.
6496  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Another take at intellectual property - what about bitcoin private keys? on: October 19, 2012, 04:35:19 AM
What is the key difference?
Lack of physical presence.
From the point of view of the processor, I am no more physically present than a hacker. A processor simply runs whatever instructions are presented to it, regardless of where it comes from.
Yes. I don't see your point.

That physical presence is not relevant to the computer. I no more have to be local to the processor to use it legitimately than does the hacker, to use it illicitly.

I understand your point (that physical presence is not relevant to computers, therefor hacking is not trespassing since you need to be physically present to trespass), which is essentially the same as mine (that physical presence is not relevant to computers, therefor hacking is trespassing since you do not need to be physically present to trespass), but the fact remains that the hacker is using your property without your permission, which is functionally identical to trespassing.

It's not that physical presence is relevant to computers or not. Only that it is relevant to literal trespassing. If you're going to link the two, you'll need to use a qualifier like "virtual" or "effectively". Legally, it's not even close (though politicians could choose to make it so of course)
6497  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Writing analysis on Satoshi Nakamoto. on: October 19, 2012, 12:48:44 AM

Hmmm.
Both Jed and Satoshi just leave this genius idea to "work on another project"?
I wonder what could be motivating enough after creating bitcoin...maybe a world changing project?



Bitcoin 2.0. With rounded edges and shading.
6498  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Another take at intellectual property - what about bitcoin private keys? on: October 19, 2012, 12:46:08 AM
A lock can still be bypassed without using a key. One does not blame the house owner for purchasing a lock with "vulnerabilities" that allow it to be picked, nor the manufacturer for producing it. One blames the man with the set of lock picks.

What is the key difference?
Lack of physical presence.

From the point of view of the processor, I am no more physically present than a hacker. A processor simply runs whatever instructions are presented to it, regardless of where it comes from.

Yes. I don't see your point.
6499  Economy / Economics / Re: Intrinsic Value on: October 19, 2012, 12:26:15 AM
I guess an example of intrinsic value is that 1000g of gold would provide a fairly compact 1kg of mass. Now how much value a compact 1kg of mass has? That's another story.
6500  Economy / Economics / Re: Intrinsic Value on: October 19, 2012, 12:20:43 AM
Even that is not completely clear. What is this "intrinsic value" of a peanut butter sandwich and milk to someone who is lactose intolerant and has wheat and nut allergies?
If intrinsic value for food was measured in terms of calories that's a property that is constant regardless of any allergies or intolerances the eater might have, or for that matter what species is eating the food.

A person with a nut allergy might very well eat a peanut butter sandwich if the consequences of not injesting the calories were worse than the symptoms of their allergy.

"Might"? We were talking about intrinsic value, not subjective or possible value. And by your definition, a gallon of gas is pretty good eating.
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