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6501  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Ask a Legendary Member whatever you need to know about the forum on: July 01, 2018, 04:21:36 PM
Thank you two, seoincorporation and Coolcryptovator. I have not joined this airdrop yet. I think this violate the rule and post by a newbie. Fortunately, I see your post soon.  Grin

I'm glad we helped you. If you have any other question, feel free  Wink
6502  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Ask a Legendary Member whatever you need to know about the forum on: July 01, 2018, 04:10:34 PM
Can I ask a question?
There are a rule: Dont reply info for bounty/aidrop application unless they require. But this airdrop https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4547440.0 require post proof of completion in the ANN thread. So will I get ban? Thank you.

Besides what Coolcryptovator has said,

I've checked out the airdrop you mentioned and I have two things to say:
- In the first place, the airdrop is apparently being run by a newbie account.
- In the second, the user, PinPaid is breaking the rules by copy-pasting the same all over the forum, so I've just reported it.
To be honest, I encourage you to stay far from this. If you want to join a bounty or an airdrop, it is better if you check first the user running it. In this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4412712.0 you will find some trusted managers.
6503  Other / Meta / Re: account is banned again on: July 01, 2018, 03:35:49 PM
help me

I will help you: your account Whilecat17 was a totally spam-fest. In that, you have literally 490 posts and zero merits.  All you have in the posting history are copy-pasted quotes, translation reserves, and infinite bounties reports.
- Copy-pasting is against the rules.
- Spamming is against the rules.

So, yes, you did get a permaban. Meaning: you are unable to come back to the forum, you, not your account, you, your person.
The reason why the ban was lifted is a mistake, nothing else. You are not going to have your account back, you are no longer allowed to participate in the forum.
Mate, when you go to a new place and break the rules again and again, what do you expect to happen?
6504  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Ask a Legendary whatever you need to know about the forum on: July 01, 2018, 02:30:50 PM
Well said. But newcomer is too lazy even read rules on pin post. Those thing you are mentioned on your post that almost answer are on pin post. They just come and start question. I can't remember how many topic I saw last few days since I joined " how to earn merit" . Actually maximum new people coming here to joined bounty. That is true. They don't try to understand before earn we should learn. We need change mind first. Lot of seniors member here for help any question. But people always make similar question. I will request to all new members before posting please read at least rules on pinpsot. We are a family we should help each other.

Maybe, but I'm just concerned about what are the initial questions, even the "feeling" of the newcomers. If nobody read the rules, then it is information to me. My point in here is to try to wear a newbie's shoes for a while, I'm in here trying to understand the general mindset. If they asked me about the pinned posts, that's ok, maybe those are too difficult to understand for a newcomer; if they ask me about merits, that's ok. As I said, I don't want to judge, I just want to know the newcomer's mindset. Look at that as a "social experiment", in which my goal is to be able to see something I am probably missing. In fact, if no one asks anything, I will have my answer too.
6505  Other / Beginners & Help / Ask a Legendary Member whatever you need to know about the forum on: July 01, 2018, 02:06:51 PM
Hi there!
From the last two weeks, we have been discussing a lot about how to improve the forum, how to help others to rank-up, etcetera.
That's why I have come into my mind to create this topic, with the goal of understanding what are the most common worries of the newcomer in here, what do you need to know about the forum itself, what you just can't understand.

There go some rules:
- The questions are meant to be about how the forum works.
- You can ask whatever you need to know about the topic, but if you go off-topic probably you will get no answer.
- Please try to use understandable English, it doesn't need to be perfect but try your best.
- Do not beg for merits, it only will have as a result to end on my ignored list.
- Feel free to ask, nobody is going to judge in here.
- You can also answer other's questions if you feel you know the answer, no matter the rank.
And... Welcome!
6506  Other / Meta / Re: Merit Drying Up? on: June 30, 2018, 10:03:27 PM
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The main problem is the greed. 99% of the people coming to the forum (after the BTC hit the news)are coming for the cash and don't care about the technology nor the possibilities at all. They don't respect the forum nor the founders because there's enough freedom here and they can abuse it and they become even more greedy.

Somebody aked me some time ago on FB how many compaigns  im into at the moment, I said none. He said that he have aroud 80 at the same time and he was wondering how his friend was capable of "working" on 200 with his 20ish alts..
It's just discussing.
 

Yes, to me this last week has been sad to see that even in the Spanish board, they are appearing more and more newcomers with no intention of being a part of the forum, but to earn some money. This is particularly sad to me, because the Spanish board was a kind of mental refuge to me, for the conversations in there were used to be fresh, well-argumented, intelligent and one could learn many things in there.
But, regarding greed, this is maybe easy: do not give merit to people with a lot of bounties reports, do not let them rank-up.
Nevertheless, I get the point, this is fu***ing sad to see all these people "greeding" around.
6507  Other / Meta / Re: Merit Drying Up? on: June 30, 2018, 09:33:06 PM
The problem is not so much in the merit drying out, it's more like many people now are focused on getting merit and that is what is wrong. Everyone writing with the only purpose of ranking up, same threads with different names, newbie guides,tips all over the forum.

I'm trying to give away all my merits to the newbies, but lately nothing fresh is coming up, so im meriting from time to time the "usual suspects".

And the results now is that we have a higher quality spam, thats all.


jajaja... you are absolutely right. Last week I had the misfortune of running into one of these "shitnewbies", whose only goal was to earn merits by copying another's ideas, or making whatever to earn some. To me was kind of sad seeing how this person actually got merits, enough to become a member, but, even so, it is not for me to decide who deserve merits, we all have many different points of views.


About the higher quality spam, I think that depends, again on the personal vision. Despite the fact of merit beggers with the costume of a "nice poster", so easy to see, maybe we need to open our minds and think about that in absolute terms. I mean: who deserves to become member? and then, full member? and then...?
To me the most important of all is the attitude the user has towards the forum, so, if I smell merits beggers, no matter the custom they use, I put them immediately on my ignored list, but there are others in between the line, wanting to rank-up but also trying their best. So, as usual, this is a personal matter, I'm afraid. The point, from my perspective, is to show that ranking-up is not so difficult if you care about the forum...
6508  Other / Meta / Re: Merit Drying Up? on: June 30, 2018, 05:14:15 PM
I like it, but I always feel like I'm going to be questioned if I merit "not bad" posts. I already wonder what people might think about some of my Merit choices. I'm not sure if that's a rational fear though.
We have built this by establishing a "Merit Inquisition" the lasts months. We need to get rid of it, as I said, we know each other enough to see that most of us are not merit farmers or abusers, carajo  Tongue

I think many people don't realize yet that Merit doesn't mean "I agree", posts can be worth reading, but that doesn't necessarily mean I have to agree with them.
Precisely what I was trying to say: this is not a "like" system, we don't need to "agree" with others statements, just to respect that.


I do the same. Or someone who's recently merited me (like OP): I don't dare leave him Merit now. Too many witch hunts going on, even though I have absolutely no use for Merit (except for my ego), and the only use I have for sMerit is encouraging people to improve the forum. I'm going to do it anyway now, he's created a thread that lead to an interesting discussion, that's worth reading.


Yep, I too stop meriting those who have merit recently me, but the reality is that when somebody merits me I use to take a look at his/her profile, and sometimes I discover great posts/quotes on it, yet I stop meriting the person, just in case.
We need to stop the witch hunts between us, let use this energy for those who truly are shameless farming accounts.
Besides, if a post has been merited, and one believes the post to deserve a merit, then merit the post. The only result of doing so is that the poster will rank-up due to his/her good activity. Where's the harm?
6509  Other / Meta / Re: Merit Drying Up? on: June 30, 2018, 04:21:38 PM

Seems like you pulled it out of my mind  Tongue
I had roughly something like this in mind. The problem is, you can not set a standard when it comes to give merits. Different people have different points/variables for analyzing a post to determine in which category the posts falls in. For a post which you will think it worth 5 merits I may think nah (!) it worth 1 merit (although I am out of your guys's league, I barely have sMerits), Jet Cash may think the post does not even worth a single merit!

But having a category in individuals mind is a good idea. It does not have to be publicly exposed and common for everyone.



Yeah, of course, so we must just change our mindset and don't judge others if they give someone 5 merits for some post we don't agree or think that deserves that, or give merits to the same person if this person is doing a pretty decent job (I say that because sometimes I stop myself of giving merits to one user I've recently merited, just in case, you Know). I think most of us more or less "know" each other, meaning that it's clear that none of us are farmers or merit-sellers, and each of us has our own policy, our own favorite board, etc. So lets us be.
We need to show newbies and other ranks that it is possible to rank-up if you have a decent behavior. If they have hope and see results, probably few will change their mind and be more careful about their own posting history.

I've become radical. I've awarded a few posts with 2 merits recently. Smiley

On the rewarding of 'normal' posts - If I have time, and I see that a guy has made a sensible post ( what I would call a useful one), I have a look at his activity. If 50% or so of his first page on the recent post list are 'useful', then I will award merits for the block.

Wild JC!!!! Cool
6510  Other / Meta / Re: Controlling spamming by newbies on: June 30, 2018, 04:15:55 PM
That used to exist here and was called the newbie jail, although I don't know why it disappeared. I hope someone will enlighten us.
Theymos recently commented on this matter:

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Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.
<…>

For the OP, limiting posting on threads based either rank or merit has been discussed a few times on Meta already. We do kind of perform wishful thinking on the subject recurrently, but that is all that it is really in the outcome of events...

To be honest, I do believe that a "newbies jail" can encourage the people to become a good poster, but if we approach the matter in a really different way than before (for instance, by doing contests in their limited board, by giving them some explanations about the forum, and educating them, giving them awards, and helping them to leave the jail once they get, for instance, 5 merits) . Anyway, since Theymos is totally against that, we must just trough the idea then and search for another. Times of problems always bring times of solutions. So I've changed my mind since I read the Theymos answer, and now I do believe we need to stop being so restricted about merit. Meaning: if a post is good enough, then we must give merit, even if it isn't awesome, but if the post is amazing, ok, let us give far more than one merit. If the people see that, by having a decent behavior, they are going able to rank-up, then probably more will try. The actual situation is discouraging people, for, honestly, it is very difficult to rank-up beyond member right now, even if your behavior is quite decent. We need to change our mindset, to try to think again as a newbie, to wear their shoes for a while and to reward all that we are not rewarding now. In a society, when there is no hope, then the people cross the street and become evil, lazy and sad. If we show the people that this is possible to rank-up, truly possible, then probably more will come with a new mindset.
6511  Other / Meta / Re: Merit Drying Up? on: June 30, 2018, 03:52:24 PM
A couple of days ago we have an interest insight regarding merits in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4559515.0

But, in addition, even when numerically the number of merits seems stable, the truth is that the number of users isn't. Probably, that's why we all feel that the merit system is decaying.
Now, maybe that's normal. It would be interesting to see how many new accounts are immediately enrolling bounties, and, in this case, why all those members are probably don't receiving merits. On the other hand, I'd like to point out again that maybe this is our fault: I mean, maybe this is time to change our mindset and reward more than just one merit to the deserving people, because, being real, this is really difficult to rank-up beyond member if we don't give a "punch" too good new users, good members or whatever the rank. Just don't be shy, and if you find a really good post, why don't give 5 or more? Because of farm accusations? I think we are beyond that already, to accuse one to another when the merit system is about to be 6 months old, is kind of annoying. If oneof us reward with, I don't know, 8 merits to someone and the post is decent enough, let it be.
Besides, I might point out that is is also truly important to reward also to high rankers, because, as you of course know, if we want to spread merits we need also to win some (I don't beg, I'm just doing well with my amount, what I mean is we must not stop giving merit to a high ranked based on his/her position).
While some can be interested in, for instant, tech, others can be in society. As well as we spare our merits, more people will be rewarded, for we have all different points of view and different approach about what a good post need.



I don't think you should only Merit high quality posts: I think "normal" good posts deserve Merit too. Merit was introduced to stop spammers from ranking up, but people with "normal" good posts shouldn't be should also be able to rank up.
Of course, high quality posts should receive more Merit, but that happens already and doesn't need adjusting. Ideally, I think good posts should receive at least 1 Merit, and high quality posts a lot more.


That's a really important statement with which I totally concur. Instead of dividing the awards in between "Bad and good", we mentally can change and divide it into:
- NOt bad= 1 merit
- Good= 2
- Very good= 3
-Awesome= 5 or more.
As an example, of course.
6512  Other / Meta / Re: All about merit on: June 29, 2018, 03:59:05 PM


you need to read a lot, to follow some threads with information and discussion in here, to understand the mindset of the people in here, their worries, etc. I mean, If you, for instance, are interested in mining, that's nice, learn all that you can about mining. Do not forget to read the whole thread and Discuss, think with education.

Have you just copy-pasted some parts of my own quote? This is plagiarism, and it is against the rules.
Facepalm

Reported
6513  Other / Meta / Re: All about merit on: June 29, 2018, 02:27:41 PM
It's so hars to earn merits now. I already have 140+ activities but still I haven't earn merit. Not a single one. Old accounts are so lucky to have been promoted for only by the number of their activities. What do you guys think I should do to have merit?

Merit begging= ignored list of many.
This is the formula you should never forget.
Now, in order to follow my therapist's advice, I will answer politely to you. Look man, the merit system was implemented with the only goal of stopping shitposters to rank-up. Given your post history, no offense, but you are a shitposter, so the only way of earning some merits to you is to change your mindset. Be prepared, for it is going to take a while.
- First of all you will need to read a lot, to follow some threads with information and discussion in here, to understand the mindset of the people in here, their worries, etc.
- Second, you will need to read a lot, topics related to this thing you are more interested in, I mean, If you, for instance, are interested in mining, that's nice, learn all that you can about mining.
- Third of all, you will need to read a lot, the forum rules are your new sacred book.
- Fourth, you can write, but only if you feel you have something substantial to add and you are contributing.  Do not forget to read the whole thread before answering, to read the quotes, if you want to participate in any conversation, then you will need to listen to others first.
- Fifth, build your own identity. Discuss and think with education.

As in any society, if you want others to recognize you (and since you're asking about merits, to give you something), first you need to give something: knowledge, contribution, patience, good argument opinions... You will need first to become a part of this society, so be smart and observe it first.


6514  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: CyberArqueología del foro: ¿Cuándo se creó esta sección y por qué? on: June 29, 2018, 02:05:48 PM
que bien que crearon hilos es español, asi podemos acceder de una manera mas facil, debemos en mantenernos activos para no desaparecer, porque ya varios latinos les esta llamando la atencion el tema del bitcoin, y que mas que por aca para mantenernos informados...
Así es, mas hispano hablantes  se comienzan a unir al mundo cripto, por otro lado centrándome en el titulo del hilo es un dato sumamente curioso el saber cuando se inicio todo esto.

Por dios, lean el resto, no sólo el título.

OP, me encanta la idea, y se ve que eres buena en esto. Hay varios nombres que, de hecho, me son familiares, siento que sí tuvimos el gusto en alguna ocación.

Sexcoin efectivamente sigue existiendo, aunque la neta así como que cotice mucho pues como que no: https://coinmarketcap.com/es/currencies/sexcoin/

Por lo demás, sí, voy a pensar en algunas preguntas que hacerte. ¿Se vale también sobre el foro en inglés?

Estas desempolvando del foro casi que literalmente por lo que el titulo le queda perfecto, hace unos días unos usuarios en la sección meta recopilaron algunos de los temas en el foro más épicos o relevantes en todo el ecosistema de las criptomonedas.

No logre encontrar el post original pero si encontre uno muy parecido y bastante interesante.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3247239.0


Creo que te refieres a los posts de ariem (el que linkeas) y de xtrael: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4432338.0

Están buenos porque trabajan temas "candentes" del foro. Pero una historia completa estaría muy interesante, es decir, los primeros posts, las primeras preocupaciones, quiénes estuvieron implicados, cuáles eran los temas...
6515  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Facebook acaba con su prohibición sobre Crypto Anuncios on: June 29, 2018, 01:59:52 PM

¿Crees que esto tenga que ver con la intención de generar una subida en los precios? ¿Hasta tal grado es importante Facebook?

Además, lo que mencionas. Recientemente discutimos cómo algunos de los mayores exchangers están pidiendo datos personales que se pasan de la raya, como una foto personal (vi un post tuyo en inglés en el que hablabas de eso, y también yo lo intenté "discutir" aquí, sin resultados aparentes). ¿Crees que Facebook busque almacenar datos de cryptos ahora que se está viendo que es requisito gubernamental y que, por tanto, valdrán su peso en oro eventualmente?

Como dije, yo no tengo Facebook, pero para los que lo tienen, ¿cómo manejaríais el tema de la información -muy- personal si es que Facebook os la exige para publicitar vuestra crypto? ¿Lo daríais así sin más?

Yo la neta tampoco me manejo en el Facebook, me parece una total y absoluta pérdida de tiempo, de hecho abrí un hilo sobre la privacidad pero a la banda no parece interesarle en absoluto entrar en discusiones...
Sobre lo de las crypto y las informaciones sensibles, yo también creo que van a pedir bastantes datos, no sólo por lo de poloniex sino por el hecho de que los datos valen lana y porque el gobierno gringo se está poniendo muy pesado en ese sentido. Facebook, finalmente, es gringo y tener la información le va a servir para que le den dos tres palmaditas en la espalda al Zuck, probablemente.
En eso nos estamos adelantando porque no sabemos cómo va a estar el asunto, pero dudo que nos equivoquemos.

En cuanto a cómo reaccionará la gente, es decir, si les van a propiciar la información así sin más, pues la neta sólo mira alrededor y creo que tienes tu triste respuesta.

Me alegra que facebook le pusiera fin a su prohibición (en parte). Sin lugar a dudas facebook es uno de los grandes distribuidores de contenidos a nivel mundial, casi a nivel de google.
Tambien me llena de alegría el saber esta excelente noticia, el que acabaran con esta prohibición hará que se de a conocer mas el mundo criptografico, ya que como tu dices facebook es un lugar en donde se maneja mucha información y noticias relevantes e impactantes en la sociedad.
Neto? Podrían leer más que el título antes de contestar, pero viendo su historial de posts tal vez es pedirtes demasiado.
6516  Other / Meta / Re: Account theft on: June 28, 2018, 06:33:12 PM

Based on your Trust history, I presume this is the woman's account? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=262081
6517  Local / Primeros pasos y ayuda / Re: HILO DE MERITO EN ESPAÑOL MAYO 2018- Pon aquí posts de calidad on: June 28, 2018, 06:27:19 PM
Qué onda, Paxmao.
Veo que este thread se quedó un poco en el olvido, así que te mando un usuario que no está nada mal y aprovechamos para marcar un bump:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2085659;sa=showPosts

6518  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Facebook acaba con su prohibición sobre Crypto Anuncios on: June 28, 2018, 06:05:06 PM
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Disculpen empezar la respuesta "off-topic", pero me da mucha tristeza ver que acá en el foro en español (que solía ser estupendo para las discusiones) se esté empezando a extender el fenómeno de gente contestando sin ni siquiera leer el thread completo.
Muchos de ustedes sólo dicen "qué bueno", pero no se han detenido a pensar sobre lo que otra usuaria claramente está señalando: Facebook en realidad nunca baneó por completo las cripto, sino que hizo restricciones severas para todas aquellas ICOs o Crypto que no parecieran legítimas. La noticia de que ahora va a quitar las restricciones no sólo es FALSA sino que, por lo contrario, va a implementar otras nuevas.

Por favor, antes de general opiniones blancas o negras vean los matices. No se dejen influenciar tan fácilmente ni tampoco opinen por opinar, eso no va a ayudarles en nada en este foro.

Ahora, sobre el tema, me da a mí la impresión de que Facebook se va a poner a pedir datos  personales a esos nuevos proyectos que quieran contratar su servicio de publicidad. No olvidemos que la información es dinero, y que se cotiza muy cara. Tener los datos personales de las nuevas plataformas de seguro les va a retribuir bonito. Asimismo, ojo con el tema de derechos de autor en Facebook, y más ahora que se quieren implementar nuevas políticas bastante estrictas al respecto. Además, dadas las fugas recientes en la plataforma, esta noticia no es sólo negativa, sino también preocupante.

Sean críticos. No compren cualquier idea, ni se manejen bajo los parámetros de "blanco o negro", pues todo tiene demasiados matices y en este mundo hay muchas medias verdades y toneladas de mentiras.
6519  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the Maximum activity level for Jr Member with zero merits? on: June 28, 2018, 05:51:55 PM

My question was to know if there's a maximum activity level for a Jr member without any merits as stated in title and in the body I expanded it into additionally include a personal opinion of what I felt would be ideal if there was no specific rule regarding the matter and wanted to know if anyone else thought the same?


There is a specimen called "Forever Junior", and its normal behavior is to join as many bounties as it can, as well as spam the forum. There is not a limitation for this specimen as well as the rules are respected, he can spend its time in the Altcoin section and have a million in its activity number if desired. Of course, this kind of specimen probably will never rank-up.
6520  Other / Ivory Tower / Re: Aren’t accounts prices a bit low? on: June 28, 2018, 05:46:51 PM
We must not forget that many of the accounts for sale are hacked ones. If you make a search in Telegram, you will discover a Russian channel called "BitcoinTalk Accounts". In there, they offer merits at the price of $5, even newbies account for $5 and Member accounts in $175.
There are several groups like this one, and if you dig enough, you will find hacked accounts in there.

So, yes, this is truly important to give red trust for the sold ones, most of them can be hacked one and others just ask for the money and they never give the account to the buyer...
When something has a value, it is going to appear in a black market.
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