He basically says that storing bitcoin is easy for individuals, but for organizations of diverse type it is difficult and costly. Interesting. Which to be perfectly honest, is a stupid thing to assert. If you think about it for a minute you'll see that it really is not possible for employees of an organization to get away with stealing the org's bitcoin, any more than they can get away with draining their traditional bank accounts. If they use multisig, and the bitcoins disappear, the blockchain will show who signed. Organizations aren't so idiotic that they wouldn't bother to record whose keys are whose. They'll see Bob and Mallory signed the 2/3 and stole the funds, Bob and Mallory are arrested. They may say "we were hacked" but they can save it for the judge. Now, in the case of bitcoin, Bob and Mallory can refuse to cooperate so the org might not get their money back. But I don't see what's tempting about this crime, seems like a dumb thing to do. i agree. the only way it works is if the organization itself is criminal and suspicion reigns supreme throughout. even then, it might be a dangerous thing to do in that situation.
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US is spying on its ally? US is spying on its citizens?
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Big test for stocks tomorrow
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The seven data points are:
Developer interest on GitHub Merchant adoption Wikipedia views Hashrate <-- this one's interesting. I've always said HR was important Google searches User adoption as measured by wallets Transaction volume. http://rdd.me/o2foy8hs
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Well Bitcoin could always support a second curve. A curve over F(p) where P = 2^256 - 2^32 - 236, call it Secp256k2 . I know I am highly original in my naming convention. One of these: http://safecurves.cr.yp.to/bada55.htmlYep, those are badass
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i'm pleased to say that on 7/4 at a party, i was able to send demo BTC to the iPhone of a CEO of a I biotech company.
i'd never browsed the iPhone app store before but simply searching "Bitcoin" brought up loads of stuff including a few wallets. he was thoroughly impressed and had actually approached me about Bitcoin since he knew i was involved back when the price was around $80. he now gets it and will be entering the space i'm sure.
i've been waiting to be able to do this for the longest time and it is a powerful way to demonstrate the utility of Bitcoin to anyone with a smartphone now.
I remember someone telling a story that happened at a golf club or something (was it Antonopulous?). Not sure if true, but it goes like this: he sent a large chunk of coins (thousands worth a million $ or so) to the next guys phone and then around the table and back to him. Apparently it made quite an impression on the attendees to hold a million worth of Bitcoin on their gadgets for a short period of time. It's a slight bit risky and takes some balls to do this, but it sure gets people to think. That was Wences Casares and the amount was $250K. He sent it around a table of around 8 or so of his venture capital friends, including Marc Andreesen, at some club down in Argentina, I think. That was an impressive demonstration. Heh... And he probably didn't even make sure the other guys had backed up their private keys prior to executing the transactions, either. the real cool project is that annual Bitcoin criss crossing the globe demo.
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i'm pleased to say that on 7/4 at a party, i was able to send demo BTC to the iPhone of a CEO of a I biotech company.
i'd never browsed the iPhone app store before but simply searching "Bitcoin" brought up loads of stuff including a few wallets. he was thoroughly impressed and had actually approached me about Bitcoin since he knew i was involved back when the price was around $80. he now gets it and will be entering the space i'm sure.
i've been waiting to be able to do this for the longest time and it is a powerful way to demonstrate the utility of Bitcoin to anyone with a smartphone now.
I remember someone telling a story that happened at a golf club or something (was it Antonopulous?). Not sure if true, but it goes like this: he sent a large chunk of coins (thousands worth a million $ or so) to the next guys phone and then around the table and back to him. Apparently it made quite an impression on the attendees to hold a million worth of Bitcoin on their gadgets for a short period of time. It's a slight bit risky and takes some balls to do this, but it sure gets people to think. That was Wences Casares and the amount was $250K. He sent it around a table of around 8 or so of his venture capital friends, including Marc Andreesen, at some club down in Argentina, I think. That was an impressive demonstration.
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I understand that secp256k1's p has the form 2^256 - 2^32 - x because this is a sort of generalized Mersenne prime and the "32" means that modular reductions can be carried out efficiently with 32-bit words. But I still don't understand why x = 977. Mathematica tells me that there were lots of choices: Table[If[PrimeQ[2^256 - 2^32 - x], Print[x]], {x, 1, 2000}];
263 359 361 487 739 949 977 1049 1057 1339 1607 1969
Why not 263 = 2^8 + 2^2 + 2^1 + 2^0? It's the smallest. Earlier in the thread it was pointed out by TierNolan that 977 is the closest choice smaller than 1024, but why does 1024 matter? For example, 487 is closer to 512 than 977 is to 1024. What do words have to do with these calculations?
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and specifically about these five constants: They've already been explained in this thread. In summary: The first constant we care about is p; TierNolan already explained that one. It's the largestsmallest prime that satisfies: p = 2^256 - 2^32 - t where t < 1024From that we can explain b. If we're searching for the smallest combination of a and b that results in a prime order elliptic curve, a = 0 and b = 7 is the first one. I don't know the specifics on why a and b should be small (probably GLV optimization), but they aren't suspicious regardless. N is just the order of the elliptic curve; no explanation needed. The last piece of the puzzle is the choice for G. Since the order of the elliptic curve is prime, we can pick any point on the curve (except infinity), and get a group with the same order (i.e. there are no subgroups). Why SECG picked the particular G they did is unexplained. However, there is no reason to believe any G is weaker or stronger than any other G (against a compliant ECDSA verifier). I would guess that either G is totally random, or it has sentimental meaning to the author(s). Since the curve is not weak to any publicly known attacks, and the constants are not suspicious, then what else are we looking for with regards to secp256k1? why does the wiki constant for p say this: p = 2^256 - 2^32 - 2^9 - 2^8 - 2^7 - 2^6 - 2^4 - 1 instead of this: p = 2^256 - 2^32 - 977 ? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Secp256k1
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actually, panning/digging for gold is still popular and common (mostly in Africa). and i'd argue their overhead is cheaper, aka, only dependent on labor, not power.
Muscle Power. Muscle Power. = Antminers
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PoW = economics of scale and division of labor guarantee eventual centralization.
Not necessarily: a byproduct of mining is heat. It's hard to get rid of the heat in large centralized operations. In small operations less so, it may even be useful in some cases. At some point mining cost will mostly be energy, not hardware. I've recently encountered a weird situation regarding solar electricity production (pretty decentralized in germany, where I live): in certain cases the array produces excess electricity which can neither be used locally nor fed into the grid for profit (due to stupid laws and regulations). Usually what is done in such cases is the electricity is just injected for free to the grid... what a waste economically, right? Well, if you have some cheap asics (so cheap that you can just have them laying around idle if not needed) you can make good use of the excess electricity. What you are describing is a mis-pricing of investment/expenses. Just because a regular home miner severely undervalues his time invested in maintaining the equipment or the heat generated, those factors aren't immune to the economics of scale. Eventually the huge hot ASIC box gets thrown out because it barely breaks even while for the industrial miner a huge hot ASIC box is just a small expense line in one of 1000s running in a huge warehouse. Also there is no excess electricity. Either it is subsidized somehow ie someone else is footing the bill or again the cost is simply mis-priced by the miner and eventually that cost will come to the forefront and the small time miner will be pushed out by larger commercial players. You can't escape the benefits of division of labor. then why do junior mining companies or even smaller operations ever bother to mine gold when they're going up against the likes of Newmont and Barrick? i think it's b/c the price is still high enough and the potential for future appreciation drives these smaller entities. you could say the same for Bitcoin. Very true but we aren't comparing junior miners and large miners. This is more of a comparison of panning for gold vs barrick. actually, panning/digging for gold is still popular and common ( mostly in Africa) all over the world. and i'd argue their overhead is cheaper, aka, only dependent on labor, not power.
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You can't escape the benefits of division of labor.
You CAN when the cost of the labor approaches 0. in the future: Buy commodity miner, hook up to thermostat, power, and internet. Done. or better yet: Buy commodity miner, hook up to thermostat, solar panels, and internet. Done. or even better yet: Buy commodity miner, hook up to thermostat, dormitory plug, and internet. Done.
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PoW = economics of scale and division of labor guarantee eventual centralization.
Not necessarily: a byproduct of mining is heat. It's hard to get rid of the heat in large centralized operations. In small operations less so, it may even be useful in some cases. At some point mining cost will mostly be energy, not hardware. I've recently encountered a weird situation regarding solar electricity production (pretty decentralized in germany, where I live): in certain cases the array produces excess electricity which can neither be used locally nor fed into the grid for profit (due to stupid laws and regulations). Usually what is done in such cases is the electricity is just injected for free to the grid... what a waste economically, right? Well, if you have some cheap asics (so cheap that you can just have them laying around idle if not needed) you can make good use of the excess electricity. What you are describing is a mis-pricing of investment/expenses. Just because a regular home miner severely undervalues his time invested in maintaining the equipment or the heat generated, those factors aren't immune to the economics of scale. Eventually the huge hot ASIC box gets thrown out because it barely breaks even while for the industrial miner a huge hot ASIC box is just a small expense line in one of 1000s running in a huge warehouse. Also there is no excess electricity. Either it is subsidized somehow ie someone else is footing the bill or again the cost is simply mis-priced by the miner and eventually that cost will come to the forefront and the small time miner will be pushed out by larger commercial players. You can't escape the benefits of division of labor. then why do junior mining companies or even smaller operations ever bother to mine gold when they're going up against the likes of Newmont and Barrick? i think it's b/c the price is still high enough and the potential for future appreciation drives these smaller entities. you could say the same for Bitcoin.
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