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6521  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Challenge: Can You Summarize Bitcoin in One Sentence? on: June 28, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Ummm. nice one!!
"Bitcoin is the most important coin from a decentralized-technology called Blockchain, based on the trust of the many instead on the power of a few"
6522  Other / Meta / Re: Analysis- sMerits per transaction and sMerit transactions per post-Are they low? on: June 28, 2018, 04:47:00 PM
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Dam it! I just merited your post since it shows the spirit and focus that I think we need to have. That’s two days is a row. The hand brake is off …

Jaaajajaja!!! I was about to merit you as well, for I do believe you are awesome, but, ok, I will save them for a deserving newbie!!!

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Yes, we are used to talking about how newbies need to change their mindset in order to be a part of the forum, but we also need to change ours!! In my case, I have only few merits, so I will try to use them to help others to rank-up.
Absolutely agree with you.
6523  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Locking the threads? on: June 28, 2018, 04:41:37 PM
I think now I learned the lesson thanks to "seoincorporation". I feeled like I just follow the crowd ( it's not my intention though). So next time I will do more research before posting. Now it's time to lock this thread since I got my answers (not mods,but who cares since I got answers).

P.S. - If mods see this please lock this thread, actually I don't know how to do it. Cheesy

The button to lock is in the low-left of the thread, next to the "move" one. Just pick "lock" and it will be done.
I'm glad I helped you.  Wink
6524  Other / Meta / Re: Analysis- sMerits per transaction and sMerit transactions per post-Are they low? on: June 28, 2018, 04:30:24 PM

In my particular case, I would alter my habits. Perhaps not on the amount of posts I merit (time is an issue and I’ve still got a few dozen sMerits to go - although at this rate I’ll finish them off soon), but certainly on the quantity I give per TX (I tend to do it in ones and twos so as to make them last, but would like to have a wider range of say one to five). I also refrain from meriting on occasions (not always) other merited posts, just because at least they got some and I don’t want to run out, saving it for later on for others.

I will try too. I usually spend my merits as they come, but I will try to keep them to give an awesome newbie a great "punch". I do believe that by encouraging good posters we will be able of having really nice people around here.


 I’ve just checked on the Merit Dashboard and was surprised to have awarded sMerit there to 19 different people. There is a select group of 5-10 that comes to mind and that really deserve frequent meriting due to the fact that their posts stand out with thought, but as you say, one tends to refrain from doing so since the circle of good posters is rather limited now days and it could seem like a closed-loop from an external observer’s point of view.


Yes, but maybe we have settled the issue enough to have an argument in the case someone accused us or whatever. I think we have the same people in mind about the Spanish board, for this is easy (there are not too many good posters in there, but the ones deserving recognition are more than good, they're excellent!).


Here we would really need to get into the terrain of the “infamous” Forum Goals (“infamous” due to some posts and discussions on the matter that have taken place recently). Maybe the goals are set to have a very limited amount of users ranking-up per month. If that were true, the system is fine as it is since it meets those objectives.
Nevertheless, I doubt that the idea is to have members ranking-up at the current rate. Subjectively, I find the numbers really poor, and prone to be a problem in the mid-run. The idea is to get people to come to this forum and keep them around (with rules and a certain contributive spirit even if bounty hunting, whilst purging the spammers).

So numerically I cannot say really without knowing the goals (which we don´t and won’t, since it’s the “board of directors” role to set and monitor these). But my gut (inspired by the data) tells me that we’re low on all fronts. Perhaps I would vouch for more merits to be awarded to the good to best posters range (and I’m not talking just about the top 50 here), simply so as to facilitate their path if they deserve it. The forum cannot be happy with just the very best ranking-up (black sheep aside), or can it? …


I guess the idea is that only good posters can rank-up, and that we are failing in that, to be honest, by giving merits 1 by 1. I think this is truly easy to detect the intentions of a newcomer by the way he/she is posting, for this is easy to see which ones are really interested on the forum and want to make it a better place by their contributions and which ones are just seeking for merits by making threads with "good appearance" but copying other's ideas.
From my perspective, the goals are clear: to encourage good ones to become an important part of the community and to relegate others to determined boards (meaning, of course, those "Forever Juniors" having fun in the Alts ones and coming in here from time to time just for cry about something), where they will be free of doing whatever they consider.
After reading the Theymos statement from the last week, I believe I understood the problem and his mindset. That's why we need to stop being shy regarding merit distribution and help the ones who deserve to rank-up. At the end of the day, to rank-up is a proof, as well as an example, of how far you can get by being commited to the forum's community. By encouraging some good newbies, by rewarding them, probably others will come.
To me, it is just the nicest way (personally speaking) of making from the good ones an example.
6525  Other / Meta / Re: Merit as a path to salvation on: June 28, 2018, 04:20:11 PM
Sorry, I do not know so well English. I just wanted to express my thoughts. I didn't ask for this award

I get it. But if you spent some more time here on the English board, you would see how common are these kinds of posts and how tired we are of them.
6526  Other / Meta / Re: Someone please merit these posts on: June 28, 2018, 03:54:41 PM


- will skip proposal made by members registered after this post was made (so don't even bother)

Maybe I misinterpreted what his intention is with that statement.

I didn't see your registration date. Maybe you can ask. But, as said, I don't see any harm but the possibility of making the Meta even messier.
6527  Other / Meta / Re: Merit as a path to salvation on: June 28, 2018, 03:51:35 PM
Hello.
This ^^ is the only part of your post that made sense.  The rest of it was jumbled up English words that either didn't belong or were put together wrong, like some Frankenstein merit-begging monster.  You're going on ignore, since I can reasonably expect that nothing you write will ever interest me, and I'll have to spend valuable scrolling time getting past your bloated nonsense. 

No merits for you, buddy.

This is an automatic Google translation from his original Russian post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4560675.msg41089664#msg41089664

That's why it doesn't make any sense. To the OP: don't trust Google, even when they encourage the people to not "being evil".
6528  Other / Meta / Re: Someone please merit these posts on: June 28, 2018, 03:12:00 PM
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There are already existing posts asking for others to share what they consider to be meritable posts. Maybe it is better if you look for them and share those you consider with the OP. For instance: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3040494.0
Please just read carefully the rules before posting.

I don't see any harm in sharing the post you consider to be undermerited, but, just to be organized, maybe this is better this way. If not, probably we are going to have posts like that every day.
6529  Other / Meta / Re: Analysis- sMerits per transaction and sMerit transactions per post-Are they low? on: June 28, 2018, 02:50:02 PM
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Thanks for doing that. It illustrates really well our previous discussion on the Spanish board about how the merited posts are used to receive 1 merit by one person most of the times. Of course, there are exceptions, as you have presented, but those ones are few.
I've seen many times excellent posts with just one merit (if any), and, as we discussed the last week, I even stop myself of giving more than one merit (well actually now I don't have any, for I always give away each merit I earn), but even when I have some to spare I just prefer to give the merit 1 per 1 hoping that someone else give some other merit to the poster. In my case, I don't have many to spare, but, also, I have to confess, I rather give one than to being misunderstood or accused of giving merits to an alt I don't even have.
Regardless of the personal approach, I think the data is clearly speaking about the lack of merits. Sometimes I doubt for that to be the problem (especially when I search in the forum for meritable new users, really difficult to see), but I've come to the conclusion of the 50% reasons, meaning that one part of the problem is the lack of good posters and the other is just the lack of merits.
In the Spanish board, it is "easy" to earn a merit (one merit) by a person, if you post decently, but the problem is there are few in there and your merit history can be interpreted as farming, even when this is not. Besides, more likely you are going to obtain 1 merit from 1 person for an extraordinary post, this is difficult for the users in there to gain more. I think Paxmao is the only merit source around there and, of course, if one user is really good, he/she will obtain many merits from him, but the issue, again, is the risk of being misunderstood.

Well, that's just a personal approach.
Based on your data analysis (awesome as usual), Do you think the system needs more merit sources? Or just for the merit sources to don't be shy and give more amount of merits per person (if deserved)?
6530  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Locking the threads? on: June 28, 2018, 02:10:19 PM

Are you referring to my post or other posts which were locked? Because if you read my post that you will understand what are my intentions and I don't think sharing experience is prohibited in the forum. If you go through the whole conversation you will understand the point which i am highlighting. Is that mean only one member can shares his/her experience in the forum while others can't, though the content is different from each others.( Those posts are not spammy or shitposters like bounty reports). l repeat,the idea behind the locking threads may be Noble, but I still doubted that some of the selections(locked posts) are actually needed to be locked? While still so many redundend threads remained without locking.

Newbies it is easier to do such mistakes in the forum, i also done so  many mistakes( Is there any member who even not done single mistakes?)but in this case I didn't.

Strictly speaking, sharing "own experiences" maybe belongs to the Off Topic board, maybe that was the problem, not the content of your thread (really good) but the title. If you pay attention, from a couple of weeks we have been seeing some topics entitled "My first week in BT", and stuff like that. Maybe the trend somehow didn't like to the mods. Whatever the reason is, as I told you, don't give it too much importance. Mods are humans too, they can commit mistakes. This is neither the first nor the last time you are going to see your posts locked or erased with no apparent reason.

Of course, there are other posts deserving far more than the one you wrote to be deleted, locked or even cremated. Whatever, shit happens.
6531  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Please can we delete the Instagram crap on beginners. on: June 27, 2018, 06:40:25 PM
What exactly are you talking about?
Share some examples.

I guess you are taking about Twitter, and all the free audit services

I presume he was talking about this thread;
Good day!

Form for adding each other to Twitter

Explanations of the Form:

When filling out the form, you specify a link to your instagram, country and city.
There are situations that are needed only from a certain location.

In the table through the search it is easy to find the contact of a certain city or country!

Spam will not be. as you can not edit and resend the form


Join and fill out the form at this link >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe3G2GELg1l0QKb6kfapxOmB__Y_z2MppNNea9lhikdlJFpMg/viewform

List of whom you can add >>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TQhBTvH0uLYLvRgADsbF_j5CAV2XmRY0Q7n8vQzskBA

But the user already has edited it. He was "explaining" how to introduce your instagram requirements (Huh) on bounties and airdrops...Since I know nothing about airdrops is that a new kind of requirement? Or a new form of spam?
Neither I can get fully the thread, JC.
6532  Other / Serious discussion / Re: The Spirit on: June 27, 2018, 06:27:45 PM
Grin

Maybe we can't understand the topic due to our masculinization. I'm going right now to get a lecture from my aura and see if anybody can help me with my bad vibe, maybe I can just take a walk and smell the flowers, to smile at the sun and dance, dance and dance in the rain... after that probably I will go into the forest and make a chicken-sacrifice to the gods and see if they enlight me with some feminization...
6533  Other / Ivory Tower / Re: YouTube premium on: June 27, 2018, 05:57:30 PM
I would say the decline of Youtube would come from their way of going about things. There's been a lot of creators leaving Youtube due to the amount of times that their content has been copyright strike, or demonized for no reason. Plus, the percentage they are earning increasingly going in a downwards direction. The thing is people are always going to come to Youtube because it's a monopoly right now, and their adverts could be bypassed via an ad block extension.

I believe Youtube did this sort of thing before too. I'm sure it was called something like "Youtube Red" rather than Youtube Premium. Honestly, it just looks like a cheap way to get more money by locking content behind a paywall. Most of the stuff that's behind that paywall will be garbage too.

Yep, the fall of the youtube is already happening, maybe that's why they implemented their "Red" stuff, they offer in there some TV serials and movies, but I haven't seen already any of interest in their promotions, just a bunch of crap and tv serials about youtube stars, dancers, etc.
Most of the bigger YouTubers are already moving to Twich and other platforms, due to the restrictions and the new policies.
But, still, Youtube is kind of the bigger, and it will still be for a while...
6534  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Locking the threads? on: June 27, 2018, 05:43:02 PM
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Yep, I understand you, but maybe this is a "timing issue". I am not a moderator in here, so I am just guessing.
Anyway, those you shared probably will be locked soon. Let's wait and see if a mod come and explain why the deleted ones, probably there's a reason...

I am not feeled disappointed, in fact your words motivates me to work hard while learning. Thanks again


This is awesome, thanks to you. We high-ranked are always going to have something to learn from the newcomers, at least in my case, each day I learn something new from you new members in here.  Wink
6535  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Locking the threads? on: June 27, 2018, 02:53:38 PM
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I'm not a mod, but if you take a look at the complete board, many topics have been locked recently. Probably it was a repeated "idea". I mean: this is a new trend to speak about the first couples of weeks in the forum. I don't think it to be toxic, in fact, your post was really good from my perspective, but the "locking" issue has affected many, as far as I can see, so just don't take it too personal, it is common to see many posts suddenly locked if the idea has been repeated a lot recently.

I did like your post (as well as your posting history) so you have +1 from me. Congrats, and keep doing!!! Do not feel disappointed about that, It happens a lot, and, I repeat: do not take it personal.
6536  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: SWOT Analysis of Merit System on: June 27, 2018, 02:24:56 PM

I have no problem with your decision not to appreciate OP's contribution. I evaluated his contribution, based on the content of his post. <When I saw it, it was under the Beginners section and helpful to newbies> Moving threads to the most appropriate section of the forum is allowed, but if it is done to acquire sMerit, then it is frowned on. <Unfortunately I did not pick up on that, and sMerit allocation is irreversible by the person that awarded it>

Thank you for highlighting this, I will add him to my ignore list and he will not receive sMerit from me again.  Wink

This is really sad.  I think this is a great misunderstanding.  There is a thread related to this one if you can still see this post of mine (assuming you put me on your ignore list already) : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4542444.msg40913517#msg40913517

and the one who started this always say that this is not personal.

Oh my.
One question: you DID move your threads trying to get more merits or not?
The answer is YES.

This is not about you, this is about someone breaking the rules. I have nothing against you, in fact, I would be glad if you change your attitude, but the FACT is that you did move your threads with that intention. Just don't do it again and confront the consequences.
Stop complaining, it was a mistake, ok, but it's done. Let it pass, as I myself did by locking the thread.

EDIT. He did it again. He just copy/pasted one of his post from the meta board to the beginners, using  a quote by copy/pasting to create a new thread(against the rules):
The Meta post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2861268.msg40993439#msg40993439
As I learn and read posts in the forum, these are my recommendatios:

The definition of Quality Post is subjective

One member may find your post as "quality post" then will give you a merit while other members may just engage you with a discussion without giving any merit.  Hence, I would like to suggest that just make it a habit to post something substantial and always (yes, always) be mindful of the rules of the forum.  Prevent yourself to be part of the ignored list of the merit sources.

Start Small

Just start small.  You can start on the things that you know or your experiences that you want to share.  I know that being a newbie, it feels like we cannot contribute anything in the forum because we have just little knowledge compare to the veterans.  However, I think some members would like to hear your stories of success, failures, learning, and not learning, and the like.  You can also post topic that interests you, in that way you can provide good insights by using your passion on the subject as the motivation/fuel to make a good post.

Start with "Beginners & Help" Category

You can start posting in the Beginners & Help category for you to ask questions and to be familiar with the forum.  It is advisable also that the target audience of your first posts are newbies (in relation with the previous point "Start Small").
The Beginners post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4552458.msg40995712#msg40995712


So, nngela, do you still think this is personal? You are breaking the rules again. Just read the rules and stop complaining if you break them and someone says whatever to you. In fact, I'm trying to be nice with you, since you deserve red trust for that and, instead of giving some to you, I'm just trying to explain the rules and why are you breaking them.
6537  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I need 10 merit on: June 27, 2018, 02:00:28 PM
What is your requirement for to give some merit?

I'm working on my anger management, so I'm going to explain something you must know before adding you to my ignored list:
1. Merits are a kind of recognition for a good work. That's mean you will need to work in your threads, to write something not only useful but also clearly written, with imagination, easy to read, nice to see.
2. Since you are new, in order to achieve that, probably you will need to read a lot before posting anything because the forum is not only about bounties and such, but also about Bitcoin, technical issues, social issues, and the mere issues from the forum itself.
3. Given the complexity of the forum, receiving merits can be hard at the very beginning, so, you must also be patient and humble.

A topic receiving merits usually have something to say to the community. There are a lot of people with a voice in here, making their best every day and making from the forum a better place. These people are receiving merits. Those whose unique intention is to report bounties and make some bucks, well, probably will never receive a merit.
The merit system is thought to stop people to rank-up if they don't make contributions to the forum itself, to other people, to knowledge, to a discussion.
So, my friend, you have two options in here:
1. To take a breath, chill, read the rules (by the way you just already broken the rules by begging for merits), to learn a lot and to contribute.
2. Or, on the contrary, to keep doing that way and be into the ignored list of many, as well as become a "Forever Junior" unable to rank-up.

Think about that as a challenge. If you try your best you will eventually become a recognized member from the community, if you just think in your "here and now", meaning to earn some bucks, you will be probably ignored and unable to become someone in here with a major rank.
That's all.
6538  Other / Meta / Re: Altcoins topics in the beginners section? on: June 26, 2018, 11:44:54 PM
Are topics related to altcoins suppose to be in the beginners board? Jet cash posted a real interesting topic which offered a real opportunity to those that are newbies/jr members if they went into detail about their node setup yet its already been pushed to the 2nd page mostly from altcoin related shit

Should I report these topics?

The Beginners board has become a spam-fest of people searching for bounties or airdrops since the very moment they join the forum. You know, the classical "My friend told me I can make money in here, so I go directly to ask where is that money" mindset.
I think it is a reflection of, precisely, the mindset of most of the newbies joining nowadays, for the Beginners board seems like the one place to get into the most desired information they have.
Socially speaking, this is kind of interesting, for there you are able to see which ones are truly interested in the forum and which ones are just in their personal seek of earning some bucks by joining here.

Technically speaking, it strongly contaminates the Beginners forum, but most of the questions seem to be Beginners-legit-problem, for, as told, they only concern nowadays are bounties and airdrops.
Now, I always report any announcement in this board. Any airdrop, bounty, whatever, trying to announce their services in there, for they have their own board for that. But if it is a newbies question and all the newbies are likely most interested in bounties, what can we do?
6539  Other / Meta / Re: Merit System - Looking for Goals on: June 26, 2018, 11:38:41 PM
Thanks everyone. But it looks like there have not been any publicly released SMART goals that the Merit system was intended to achieve.


I have always thought that the most you try to put a thought into a cage, the far you get from reality. Maybe I am an anarchist, but to confine ideas into a previous-designed mindset seems to me to lose all of the nuances a mere idea can have.
That's me, so far I can't see the point in creating such kind of mental-pre-schemes.

But maybe, since you are interested in doing so, you can look into the data and create your own SMART-based scheme and share with us. Probably it will take you time, but, the data is out there, you only need to organize it as you need.  Wink
6540  Other / Meta / Re: Starting threads to try to generate meritable posts on: June 26, 2018, 11:32:52 PM
I started the node thread to see if any new members are serious about Bitcoin. I installed core when I was still a newbie. Mind you, if I had to rely on public WiFi exclusively today. I would be a Hero member by the time I had synchronised the current blockchain. Smiley

I don't think there is any harm in doing what you are doing, but, in my experience, most of the replies are likely going to be offtopic. I tried once, and the 99% of the replies were from users that didn't even bother reading the rules I clearly stipulated. Nevertheless, I did obtain a couple of nice replies.
When I did this, to be honest, I just feel it was pointless, and got angry anytime I saw they didn't even read the rules. But maybe you have enough patience!!
Maybe you can just advice that if someone don't read the rules of the thread, they will be directly into your ignored list  Cool

EDIT. I actually had an idea... Why don't you create a post about the forum policies? I mean a kind of exam for newbies, in where they need to ask some True/false (maybe) answers to your questions or statements related to the rules in here. Maybe, by doing so, you can encourage them to go and read the rules for once
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